WOW- a topic that really peaked my interest. Where do I start?
I'll start with this. I've been a very avid club go-er for the past 20 years. I've said it before, if there is a dive bar with a brass pole and girl dancing, I've been there.
In the 20 years that I've been doing this, the atmosphere definitely has changed. And not just in New York but all over. And oddly enough, so have my expectations. It used to be that when I go to a club, I have a beer or two, hand over dollar bills and be on my way. The most mileage expected was brushing up against her tit as you put the dollar in her bra. LD's were non-existant in most clubs and if they did, it was a champagne room at astronomical amounts.
Now, I've come to expect $20 LD. With the exception of one or two favorite haunts of mine where I go to just have a beer, if a club doesn't do some form of LDs, I don't bother. These are the clubs that suffer. ie - Slappy's in Paterson. The place is empty now because the mileage is almost nill when it used to be guaranteed for extras.
The ones with the higher mileage LD's get more of my business. Why? Because that's become the norm and my mentality for why I go has changed. I've come to expect some gropin during an LD. I think that most clubs know that guys aren't there just to watch a girl shake her ass in a bikini. They always want more, and the ones that get the return business are the ones that management 'tolerates' or condones higher mileage dances.
The level of mileage that you can get, to a certain degree, is also based on a couple prime factors:
1. Location and municipal laws - we can thank Guiliani for the downturn in mileage in NYC mainstream clubs. On a trip to Indianapolis last year, I visited 5 different clubs in 3 nights. Out of the 5, mileage was extremely high in 4 of them. DFK and HJ readily available without a hassle and more if you take a private LD. Obviously the laws are not as strict and the girls don't think twice about it. I also took one of them back to my hotel room for the night. Cost ? $$ for the whole night (plus dinner - roomservice). But when I went to Atlanta, the 4-5 clubs I went to were horrible. The girls were total teases and promised 'a good time' in the private room and all I got was a "no, I don't do that", "no, you can't do this" and even after I offered more when I was out 150 each time. And this was in clubs where the girls were seriously hungry for money and wasn't mainstream. That's the norm for Atlanta.
2. How busy is the club? (if there are 2 girls and 20 guys, you're not getting diddly that night). Also the more mainstream and popular a club is, the less likely your mileage will be high. And if you do get high mileage it will be at a substantial cost. ie. - scores, flashdancers, satin dolls, .....
3. Your interaction with the girls. Ya gotta be a gentleman about it. It takes time to develop a repor with the girls. Some of the best LD's I have ever gotten were from girls that I just sat and bought them a drink and talked to them like a human being and not a piece of meat. There was a girl that I knew at WildThings in Elizabeth that was cold as fish with my buddies in during LD's when we went. But she'd give me some of the best grindage, open HJ, DFK LD's that I've gotten from anyone. Why? Because I talked to her about her school, her kids, and not about how horney I was or how badly I wanted to bang her.
I could go on about this for pages on end. but I'll stop here and make one last point. I have to agree with JL in that it's not so much about the extras but more about the hunt of the possibilities of getting extras. If I really needed to get laid or a bj and pay $$$, I'll call a provider and not have to worry about the hassle. It's more about the excitement of finding out HOW FAR WILL SHE GO?