Higher mileage during Lap dances

h. von bingen · May 1, 2003

i know what sport fishing is. no. 1 was very fond of it, and i have been. it's was comparing people to prey that bothered me. get it? but i know i did it in poker. o forget it, i'm busy packing -- i have to go to london (a city i hate) unexpectedly.

justlooking · May 1, 2003

If you're talking about in-club activities (which is what I was talking about when I used the word "fishing"), I think talking about it as sport is completely appropriate. That's what Wwanderer meant by his "Customer Hustling" thread, right?

Slinky Bender · May 1, 2003

Originally posted by pjorourke
I thought "sport fishing" was a great analogy. Both sports are very expensive. They are largely "guy things". In sport fishing one usually releases the quarry after landing them. Also, if you choose to keep the quarry, it is very expensive (mounting costs, transportation, etc.). Hemmingway would approve.

I thought it was analogous because after you catch them, you mount them.

Wwanderer · May 1, 2003

Management attitude

Fwiiw, the attitude of management towards extras and outside the club "dates" is probably determined largely by local LE places. There are towns and cities where undercover cops try to get something illegal from the ladies, not in order to bust them (though they may also do that) but as a reason to close down the club. Often this is the result of pressure from other local merchants who may feel that a strip club drives away some of their business. It is easy to see why club management is so hostile to overly "friendly" dancers in such places.

-Ww

Danielle · May 1, 2003

JL's description of some of these clubs in NYC is completely accurate. The first club I danced in was a completely mainstream place in Manhattan. Most patrons would describe this place as a complete rip-off as the dances are expensive and the rooms are monitored at all times. But I quickly realized that there were certain long-time customers whose willingness to visit often and spend a good deal of money had won them some sort of VIP status. The first time I was in the champagne room with one of these VIP customers was of course totally wierd, as I was told by the manager that the rules I had been given when I was hired need not apply with this guy. Basically, "Blank has been coming here for a long time, he's allowed to get away with more than the other customers, so as long as you're comfortable with what he'd like to do it's ok. You won't get in trouble or anything." I also realized that that didn't mean I necessarily had to do anything I didn't want to. This guy enjoyed the game of fly fishing immensly. Sure, there was a little pressure but I was never made to feel uncomfortable. In the future, I then realized that there were quite a few of these special VIP customers, and management always let me know. "This guy is like Blank." That explanation always sufficed.

pjorourke · May 1, 2003

That one was too easy. We expect more of you.

Wwanderer · May 2, 2003

Re: Wwanderer

Not that there is any reason that anyone should care, but just for clarity, "sub rosa dating" (a great way to describe it, btw) is not so much something I do as that I have done. In other words, it is not something I do on a regular basis lately (in close to a decade I guess).

-Ww

curious · May 2, 2003

Don't forget; if you're mounting them, it would be good to stuff them too.

justlooking · May 2, 2003

And then there's also the matter of the third club you danced in (if I read your posts right).

Danielle · May 2, 2003

Oh yeah. It was even more brothel-like than the first in that the brothel activities were available to any average Joe off the street who was willing to spend some money one time. And it was more expensive so you'd get better looking girls to fool around with.

justlooking · May 2, 2003

And nevertheless, if you asked 10 guys in NYC who know about strip clubs, nine of them would say it was an "air dance" place.

Danielle · May 2, 2003

I don't know about that. One of the many reasons I bailed out of the place so quick is because customers kept asking me about the rumors they'd heard and whether or not my champagne room experience would confirm those rumors.

Sinful7 · May 3, 2003

7 Mile High Club

I sorry, but I feel like he is right most people know about
Level 1 (Stripclub), and everyguy in every club ask for more,
it like going to a car lot and not tring to talk the sales man
down. Level 2 (Sexual Entertainment) are popping up like
Ass-con the majority of men don't know that they can get
released with out going to Level 3 (Escorts).

Just a little hint, Most women look for a strong man, someone
that will teach them something about themselves; tap into,
and/or open up something inside themselves that leads into
the emotional gates, and with a little time and the right key
the gates might open. People I tend to attract my attention are
people intrigue my mental, because I know as soon as I look
at you if I have a physical attraction.

Danielle · May 3, 2003

I'm not saying it was wrong of them to ask about those rumors, if I were a guy at the club I'd probably want in on the action too. I'm just saying that since I wasn't comfortable offering extras in the rooms and there were plenty of girls I was competing with who were I was shit outta luck. I didn't make any money because people would ask me during discussion of the champagne room if I was like some other chick their friend told them about. And since you guys all know how fucking honest I am to my own detriment I told them we'd have a good time but probably not the kind of good time they were looking for.

pswope · May 3, 2003

Teach your children well

Perhaps the greatest* contribution , I've made to commercial sex is to impart the wisdom of Deja,the Orgasm Queen** to many ladies I've met. Their intrigue w/ improving their technique(and getting guys to bust faster and harder fostered a closeness I'd not experienced before.

* [size=1/64] Others contend that my financial contribution helped raise the GNP of commercial sex,but I think BMM desrves those kudos.
** In contrast to S7, Deja relied on god given intuition as to what makes a man's dick feel great combined with an acute ability to sense what was driving blood into her date's penis. Although,after Reading Billy's review,I'm carrying my rectal thermometer w/ me from now on. [/size]

Slinky Bender · May 3, 2003

But Danielle, doesn't that fly in the face of the "theory" that guys go to stripclubs for the "fantasy"? Especially at a club where it's not clear that more is offered (I could see the argument where guys were going to a place where everyone knew extras were offered ).

nychelsea · May 3, 2003

For me, the club experience is about the '"thrill of the chase", the anticipation, the negotiating, the flirting, the ******* and the excitement.

While, I haven't spent any time in NYC Clubs in a while, it would be fun to do a tour, and see what happens. I know the Carousel is wide open for action (although I haven't been there lately).

It would also be fun to do the tour with a lady - and see what happens.

Chels

busted · May 3, 2003

Re: Re: thoughts

That's exactly right, eye contact. I was in SC this past week and had one of the best lap dances, but the girl kept looking over her shoulder, I thought she was looking for the bouncers. She decided rent a room rather than drive 1 1/2 hours back to Wilmington, NC. I offered my room and she agreed. We went for a bite to eat and chatted until about 4am. (Sweet girl, plenty of eat contact during dinner and at the bar afterward), but up at the room, the sex wouldv'e been great except NO eye contact whatsoever. I felt like she didn't want to be there. This was my first time at something like this so I didn't know what to expect, but this definitely wasn't it. I've been told that I'm fairly good looking, and have a very attractive wife for almost thirty years but this was odd. She left around 7am and barely said goodbye, and to top it off, gave me her phone # and told me to call her when I was back in the Carolinas. Very strange

Danielle · May 4, 2003

I never said it was wrong for a guy to investigate the possibility of getting extras at a strip club, I was only saying that it was unfair for him to EXPECT them, because a lot of girls aren't comfortable offering them and I don't think it's right to make someone feel pressured in order to make money.
I think that a lot of guys do visit strip clubs just to hang out with friends, get some lap dances, and then go home. Not everyone is looking for something more.
One of the main reasons I left that club I was talking about is because I figured out rather quickly that everyone did know extras were offered. So pretty much everyone expected them, it was horrible for me.

ExLS · May 4, 2003

Danielle,
Where I live, I each some form of extra(F/S, BJ, HJ, etc) in every club that I visited. Some took place in the club and outside as well. I said this before, it really depends on the dancer. If I like you as a person, I rather not purchase a ld, but buy you a drink and talk to you and then tip you extra cash while you dance on stage. I have been known to give as much as 50 while you dance on stage. Most dancers where I live are hustlers and looking for a free ride, escorts, or just decent girls who won't make it here. Just my opinion

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Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home

Danielle

pjorourke

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Wwanderer

Kids, don't try this at home

curious

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Danielle

justlooking

Danielle

Sinful7

Danielle

pswope

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nychelsea

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Danielle

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