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Socialism
(n.)" A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor."
And how is this "reconstruction of society" achieved? Thru government force (the coercive use of power).
I believe you have your definition of socialism confused with Noam Chomsky's "anarchist socialism". Idiots like Chomsky believe that socialism can be achieved without the force of government.
Socialist also believe that the "common good" of society is more important that the rights and freedom of the individual. Of course, few people can even agree on what "common good" and "just and equitable" should mean.
Nazi stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workers Party.
Hitler would hardly be the first person to come down the pike, take a term, and attach his own meaning to it. The fact that he called his party a Socialist Party is not, in and of itself, proof of anything. Labels are marginal in their usefulness: as noted earlier, Lincoln was a Republican. It meant something different to him than it does to Dubya, and I suspect Lincoln might consider flipping parties if he could see what his party has come to stand for.
There's a big difference between a theory of government and how that theory will play in flawed reality. The United States is an excellent example of that. Our current government's concept of "common good" and "just and equitable" is bankrupting a lot of people I know...
And for that matter, how it will play also depends on the prior history of the country. Germany -- and Germans -- was/were ripe for the picking by anyone who could restore the country's sense of self and self-importance as well as the economy. That's why so many supremacist groups use their recruiting tools to target a particular type of disenfranchised individual, the one who just wants to blame somebody other than himself for the state of his life, and wants to identify with power. He's the type of man who, as a child, may have witnessed his father beating on his mother and hated him for it, yet grows up to do the same to his own wife: somewhere along the line his identification will merge with his father's, and he will utter the immortal words of abusers everywhere, "Why do you make me do this to you?"
Hell, I have got to stop posting before my second cup of coffee...
There's a big difference between a theory of government and how that theory will play in flawed reality. The United States is an excellent example of that. Our current government's concept of "common good" and "just and equitable" is bankrupting a lot of people I know...
And for that matter, how it will play also depends on the prior history of the country. Germany -- and Germans -- was/were ripe for the picking by anyone who could restore the country's sense of self and self-importance as well as the economy. That's why so many supremacist groups use their recruiting tools to target a particular type of disenfranchised individual, the one who just wants to blame somebody other than himself for the state of his life, and wants to identify with power. He's the type of man who, as a child, may have witnessed his father beating on his mother and hated him for it, yet grows up to do the same to his own wife: somewhere along the line his identification will merge with his father's, and he will utter the immortal words of abusers everywhere, "Why do you make me do this to you?"
Hell, I have got to stop posting before my second cup of coffee...
George Orwell did a pretty good job of describing the phenomena.
(btw - this was what I meant previously when I posted that the only context in which the term Neo-conservative made any sense to me was Orwellian ((not that anyone should care).
"Newspeak and Doublethink were the brain children of George Orwell’s 1984. Orwell may have missed the boat with his prediction of a totalitarian leader with a moustache ruling every aspect of our lives, but he hit the mark with his picture of how our language could be dumbed down and the mind turned into a bureaucratic morass. Newspeak, for Orwell, was language after it had been run over by semi-trucks, leaving the road littered with nicely flattened out concepts like "downsizing," "networking," "interfacing," and those nice, friendly monosyllables we get to hear strung together on TV newscasts. Doublethink, or Doublespeak, refers to the delightful contradictions those smashed words could be twisted into by practitioners who just didn’t let their minds in on the fact. This mental gridlock produces scenes like former President Bill Clinton condemning campaign contributions on his way to a fundraising dinner in Chicago. Or President George W. Bush telling school children, "One way to fight evil is to fight it with kindness and love and compassion" æ on the 36th day of our bombing of Afghanistan. "
American Newspeak
Word Collisions by Wayne Grytting
(btw - this was what I meant previously when I posted that the only context in which the term Neo-conservative made any sense to me was Orwellian ((not that anyone should care).
"Newspeak and Doublethink were the brain children of George Orwell’s 1984. Orwell may have missed the boat with his prediction of a totalitarian leader with a moustache ruling every aspect of our lives, but he hit the mark with his picture of how our language could be dumbed down and the mind turned into a bureaucratic morass. Newspeak, for Orwell, was language after it had been run over by semi-trucks, leaving the road littered with nicely flattened out concepts like "downsizing," "networking," "interfacing," and those nice, friendly monosyllables we get to hear strung together on TV newscasts. Doublethink, or Doublespeak, refers to the delightful contradictions those smashed words could be twisted into by practitioners who just didn’t let their minds in on the fact. This mental gridlock produces scenes like former President Bill Clinton condemning campaign contributions on his way to a fundraising dinner in Chicago. Or President George W. Bush telling school children, "One way to fight evil is to fight it with kindness and love and compassion" æ on the 36th day of our bombing of Afghanistan. "
American Newspeak
Word Collisions by Wayne Grytting
TOGA
How does the choice of a screen name change my thoughts and opinions?
The pendulum (law enforcement, the courts and the justice syatem) swung to the left during the Clinton administration. It's about time it swing back toward the center and the right. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why is it every time I see this screen name the only thing that I should see written is: Tooogaaa tooooogaaa tooga toga toga toga toga
Or was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Germans? Forget it he's rolling.
How does the choice of a screen name change my thoughts and opinions?
The pendulum (law enforcement, the courts and the justice syatem) swung to the left during the Clinton administration. It's about time it swing back toward the center and the right. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why is it every time I see this screen name the only thing that I should see written is: Tooogaaa tooooogaaa tooga toga toga toga toga
Or was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Germans? Forget it he's rolling.
Aside from his obvious shortcomings... Hitler was far more brilliant* than Hillary. Hill is a travesty to American politics and maybe one of the biggest hypocrites that ever lived. Listening to her ramble about how she knows how the White House works (as if it only pertains to Republican corruption) is laughable. I'm embarrassed to live in a state that voted her into any office. Its no wonder Bubba was always out getting some "strange" all the time.
(Unfortunately with brilliance usually comes equal insanity)
(Unfortunately with brilliance usually comes equal insanity)
I have found it useful to characterize states in terms of two dimensions; the political, the extent to which the people control the government and the economic, the extent to which the people control property.
There are words that are used as sobriquets for states organized at various points along each ray. I have found democracy and dictatorship useful in illustrating the poles of the first and socialism and capitalism the second
There are many extents and differences of each of these qualities. Further the two are never totally discrete, particularly as the state exerts increasing control over the wealth and the economy.
The key point with regard to the discussion that prompted this post is there is nothing that precludes a Democratic socialist country as long as that is the will of the people.
In fact I would say that is what the United States is now but I’m not sure that it is the will of the people.
(In one of his posts somewhere JL concludes with some fancy French words which I think mean in effect ‘OK you can come kill me now’ to which I say ditto)
(To clarify in saying ditto I mean me not him.)
There are words that are used as sobriquets for states organized at various points along each ray. I have found democracy and dictatorship useful in illustrating the poles of the first and socialism and capitalism the second
There are many extents and differences of each of these qualities. Further the two are never totally discrete, particularly as the state exerts increasing control over the wealth and the economy.
The key point with regard to the discussion that prompted this post is there is nothing that precludes a Democratic socialist country as long as that is the will of the people.
In fact I would say that is what the United States is now but I’m not sure that it is the will of the people.
(In one of his posts somewhere JL concludes with some fancy French words which I think mean in effect ‘OK you can come kill me now’ to which I say ditto)
(To clarify in saying ditto I mean me not him.)