Coyote Busted?
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Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
All points noted, Hyabby, and no, I'm not too worried about my immediate situation, at the moment. But the fact that Ashcroft has said that a war on obscenity is a personal mission for him, should worry us all: this is the guy who's pushing hard, all the time, to expand information-gathering rights for the government, and not only limit our right to know what's being gathered, but that it's being gathered at all...
On 9/11, I had a long conversation with a man on the steps of St. John the Divine, about the carte blanche this horrible event had just handed the government, and how many laws would be passed, in its name, that would be used for the purpose of prosecuting our own citizens for offenses having absolutely nothing to do with terrorism and homeland security. And, hard as it is to believe, it hasn't even been two years, yet...
All points noted, Hyabby, and no, I'm not too worried about my immediate situation, at the moment. But the fact that Ashcroft has said that a war on obscenity is a personal mission for him, should worry us all: this is the guy who's pushing hard, all the time, to expand information-gathering rights for the government, and not only limit our right to know what's being gathered, but that it's being gathered at all...
On 9/11, I had a long conversation with a man on the steps of St. John the Divine, about the carte blanche this horrible event had just handed the government, and how many laws would be passed, in its name, that would be used for the purpose of prosecuting our own citizens for offenses having absolutely nothing to do with terrorism and homeland security. And, hard as it is to believe, it hasn't even been two years, yet...
Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
WB, just saw your query -- yes, I was referring to your post. But anyway, I am not trying to ramp things up. Still, if anyone is going lump FDR, the Clintons and Hitler into one category, I've got not no choice but to speak up, because to me, that's just plain wrong and untrue. And frankly, I'm not interested enough in this argument to spend the necessary time to prove anything to you. As to the issue of you being attacked first as a justification for adding fuel to the fire? It doesn't matter how ridiculous or provcative someone else is being, you're still accountable for your own role in it.
WB, just saw your query -- yes, I was referring to your post. But anyway, I am not trying to ramp things up. Still, if anyone is going lump FDR, the Clintons and Hitler into one category, I've got not no choice but to speak up, because to me, that's just plain wrong and untrue. And frankly, I'm not interested enough in this argument to spend the necessary time to prove anything to you. As to the issue of you being attacked first as a justification for adding fuel to the fire? It doesn't matter how ridiculous or provcative someone else is being, you're still accountable for your own role in it.
believe(d) that the power of the state is paramount.
As far as your remark about me personally attacking others, I would like to think that I was defending my position. I assume you know the difference? Besides, if you were really concerned as to whom was responsible for initiating aggressive behavior, you would have taken others to task before commenting on my posts. But I suspect such details do not concern you. You perhaps saw others responding negatively to my posts and decided to join in. It's easy to kick a "poster" when he's down.
Good night, I'm gone (and you can all keep your wisecracks to yourselvies).
Originally posted by alterego
I just wish people would put their outrage in a bit of perspective. Not because I disagree with alot of the sentiment, but because I think it's more effective when it's honest and realistic, than when it's shrill and over-the-top.
I just wish people would put their outrage in a bit of perspective. Not because I disagree with alot of the sentiment, but because I think it's more effective when it's honest and realistic, than when it's shrill and over-the-top.
Originally posted by alterego
I actually don't think America is in decline.
Or that there is a general lack of outrage.
I just may not agree with all of it.
People on all sides of the political spectrum are 'outraged'. The success of the Dean campaign is (I think) a sign of outrage with the right. I think it's a good thing. The recall election in California is a sign of outrage at the left. I think it's a stupid process, but I agree with alot of the sentiment behind it. And smaller outrages against overly intrusive government (the 'nanny state' as wartboy might say) are occuring all over the place. Great. I think that the 'nanny state' IS too obtrusive in many ways.
I just wish people would put their outrage in a bit of perspective. Not because I disagree with alot of the sentiment, but because I think it's more effective when it's honest and realistic, than when it's shrill and over-the-top.
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I actually don't think America is in decline.
Or that there is a general lack of outrage.
I just may not agree with all of it.
People on all sides of the political spectrum are 'outraged'. The success of the Dean campaign is (I think) a sign of outrage with the right. I think it's a good thing. The recall election in California is a sign of outrage at the left. I think it's a stupid process, but I agree with alot of the sentiment behind it. And smaller outrages against overly intrusive government (the 'nanny state' as wartboy might say) are occuring all over the place. Great. I think that the 'nanny state' IS too obtrusive in many ways.
I just wish people would put their outrage in a bit of perspective. Not because I disagree with alot of the sentiment, but because I think it's more effective when it's honest and realistic, than when it's shrill and over-the-top.
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I suppose we will have to wait for history to say whether this was a time of national challenge or decline.
It’s always darkest before the dawn - but that doesn't mean that just because its dark it can't get darker.
I also don't see the solution being in political change - although a regime change in Washington seems like a good idea to me.
Originally posted by wartboy
Yes, I am lumping FDR, Hitler and the Clintons into one specific category. They are/were all socialist. That does not mean that they embraced one another's ideology exactly. But they all
believe(d) that the power of the state is paramount.
As far as your remark about me personally attacking others, I would like to think that I was defending my position. I assume you know the difference? Besides, if you were really concerned as to whom was responsible for initiating aggressive behavior, you would have taken others to task before commenting on my posts. But I suspect such details do not concern you. You perhaps saw others responding negatively to my posts and decided to join in. It's easy to kick a "poster" when he's down.
Good night, I'm gone (and you can all keep your wisecracks to yourselvies).
Yes, I am lumping FDR, Hitler and the Clintons into one specific category. They are/were all socialist. That does not mean that they embraced one another's ideology exactly. But they all
believe(d) that the power of the state is paramount.
As far as your remark about me personally attacking others, I would like to think that I was defending my position. I assume you know the difference? Besides, if you were really concerned as to whom was responsible for initiating aggressive behavior, you would have taken others to task before commenting on my posts. But I suspect such details do not concern you. You perhaps saw others responding negatively to my posts and decided to join in. It's easy to kick a "poster" when he's down.
Good night, I'm gone (and you can all keep your wisecracks to yourselvies).
And PJ, here's a big, hearty Amen..., just like you asked for, LOL...
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Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
No one has to talk to me for more than five minutes to know that I don't follow herd -- never have, never will. Bottom line? You set yourself you, you got taken down, it's just an anonymous board full of strangers, no nations will crumble, no babies will die, get over it...
No one has to talk to me for more than five minutes to know that I don't follow herd -- never have, never will. Bottom line? You set yourself you, you got taken down, it's just an anonymous board full of strangers, no nations will crumble, no babies will die, get over it...
Ohhh, you rebel! You don't "follow herd"! But you are part of the herd, darling! Nearly all socialists suffer from the "herd mentality" and you don't appear to be an exception. You're extremely self-righteous and nasty to boot ("grow up"..."remember to take your nap")-- and not nearly as intelligent as you think you are.
So post your response and then leave me alone -- I promise not to get the last word in.....I'll leave that up to you as I'm sure you can't resist.
wartboy, you haven't listened to a fucking thing that was said to you.
1. Everyone here basically agrees with your fundamental point -- that there should not be laws against prostitution between consenting adults.
2. The point that is being made that you seem to be too thick to understand is that there are laws against prostitution (whether we agree with them or not) and that nobody should be "scared or outraged" when the government enforces laws that are on the books. It should be just what you expect.
1. Everyone here basically agrees with your fundamental point -- that there should not be laws against prostitution between consenting adults.
2. The point that is being made that you seem to be too thick to understand is that there are laws against prostitution (whether we agree with them or not) and that nobody should be "scared or outraged" when the government enforces laws that are on the books. It should be just what you expect.
I'll say it again: get over yourself...
Yeah, the three minute edit bit me, I caught it too late. But anyway, life's too short for this silliness.
BTW -- I did let my utter exasperation with you take over, and I apologize. But I must correct you: I am every bit as intelligent as you think I think I am. The fact that you don't like me doesn't change my IQ. As for my being self-righteous and nasty? I would strongly suggest that you not dish out what you will not eat...
And chill out, for God's sake. Get a hobby.
I'm off to run with scissors -- have fun, all...
Yeah, the three minute edit bit me, I caught it too late. But anyway, life's too short for this silliness.
BTW -- I did let my utter exasperation with you take over, and I apologize. But I must correct you: I am every bit as intelligent as you think I think I am. The fact that you don't like me doesn't change my IQ. As for my being self-righteous and nasty? I would strongly suggest that you not dish out what you will not eat...
And chill out, for God's sake. Get a hobby.
I'm off to run with scissors -- have fun, all...
Originally posted by pjorourke
wartboy, you haven't listened to a fucking thing that was said to you.
1. Everyone here basically agrees with your fundamental point -- that there should not be laws against prostitution between consenting adults.
2. The point that is being made that you seem to be too thick to understand is that there are laws against prostitution (whether we agree with them or not) and that nobody should be "scared or outraged" when the government enforces laws that are on the books. It should be just what you expect.
wartboy, you haven't listened to a fucking thing that was said to you.
1. Everyone here basically agrees with your fundamental point -- that there should not be laws against prostitution between consenting adults.
2. The point that is being made that you seem to be too thick to understand is that there are laws against prostitution (whether we agree with them or not) and that nobody should be "scared or outraged" when the government enforces laws that are on the books. It should be just what you expect.
Originally posted by pjorourke
wartboy, you haven't listened to a fucking thing that was said to you.
1. Everyone here basically agrees with your fundamental point -- that there should not be laws against prostitution between consenting adults.
2. The point that is being made that you seem to be too thick to understand is that there are laws against prostitution (whether we agree with them or not) and that nobody should be "scared or outraged" when the government enforces laws that are on the books. It should be just what you expect.
wartboy, you haven't listened to a fucking thing that was said to you.
1. Everyone here basically agrees with your fundamental point -- that there should not be laws against prostitution between consenting adults.
2. The point that is being made that you seem to be too thick to understand is that there are laws against prostitution (whether we agree with them or not) and that nobody should be "scared or outraged" when the government enforces laws that are on the books. It should be just what you expect.
Are you a moron? Read my f*cking posts and the responses to them. Who here has written (besides Buddyyy) that they agree with me? I don't know what posts you're reading.
I have written that I think it's ridiculous that people can get arrested for engaging in prostitution. Read the responses from "JustLooking" and "Spaz Medicine" as two examples.
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW THAT PROSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL. That's the freakin' point of my post! It shouldn't be illegal! And I am outraged when the freakin' government spends its resources on crap like prostitution. It's none of the government's business what consenting adults do. But we have posters like "JustLooking" and "Spaz Medicine" who defend arresting prostitutes because it's "illegal". Cheese, give me a break!
This board is amazing! Unless you're one of the "chosen" posters and dare to post anything out of the ordinary, people get all over your ass. Christ, that's why I don't bother to post positive reviews any longer....everytime I did I would be accused of being a "shill." So as Cartman would say, "screw you guys."
Originally posted by wartboy
This board is amazing! Unless you're one of the "chosen" posters and dare to post anything out of the ordinary, people get all over your ass. Christ, that's why I don't bother to post positive reviews any longer....everytime I did I would be accused of being a "shill." So as Cartman would say, "screw you guys."
This board is amazing! Unless you're one of the "chosen" posters and dare to post anything out of the ordinary, people get all over your ass. Christ, that's why I don't bother to post positive reviews any longer....everytime I did I would be accused of being a "shill." So as Cartman would say, "screw you guys."
Originally posted by wartboy
Yes, I am lumping FDR, Hitler and the Clintons into one specific category. They are/were all socialist. That does not mean that they embraced one another's ideology exactly. But they all
believe(d) that the power of the state is paramount.
Yes, I am lumping FDR, Hitler and the Clintons into one specific category. They are/were all socialist. That does not mean that they embraced one another's ideology exactly. But they all
believe(d) that the power of the state is paramount.
Socialism doesn't believe that the power of the state is paramount. If you are referring to the government as the "state," then nothing in a socialist's mind would be worse than handing over power to the state.
Either way, Hitler's Nazi Germany didn't practice true socialism...it was a system based on totalitarian nationalism.