Coyote Busted?
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Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
Speaking of hyperbole -- I realize that many people dislike Hillary Clinton, but spare me the assoications with Hitler. The extremity represented by Hitler should not be diluted by attaching it to any and all political figures who cause great polarization -- I despised Giuliani, but I said the same thing then when he was similarly represented: there is no authentic comparison with Hitler to be made here. While there is much to legitimately criticize Hillary Clinton for, there is nothing "Hitlerian" about her, IMHO, and as someone who admires her in many ways, I thoroughly resent the guilt by association in thus characterizing her.
Speaking of hyperbole -- I realize that many people dislike Hillary Clinton, but spare me the assoications with Hitler. The extremity represented by Hitler should not be diluted by attaching it to any and all political figures who cause great polarization -- I despised Giuliani, but I said the same thing then when he was similarly represented: there is no authentic comparison with Hitler to be made here. While there is much to legitimately criticize Hillary Clinton for, there is nothing "Hitlerian" about her, IMHO, and as someone who admires her in many ways, I thoroughly resent the guilt by association in thus characterizing her.
How about this as a compromise - we can discuss the ways in which the goals of the current administration are similar to Hitler’s and refrain from defending Ms. Clinton.
Originally posted by JackT
You're right in that it does not seem she is being charged with prostitution, but rather "promoting prostitution." It's impossible to tell from the news blurb what evidence the State has to support the "Promoting Prostitution" charge.
NJSA 2C:34-1(4) defines "promoting prostitution" as any one of the following seven acts:
(a)Owning, controlling, managing, supervising or otherwise keeping, alone or in association with another, a house of prostitution or a prostitution business;
(b)Procuring an inmate for a house of prostitution or place in a house of prostitution for one who would be an inmate;
(c)Encouraging, inducing, or otherwise purposely causing another to become or remain a prostitute;
(d)Soliciting a person to patronize a prostitute;
(e)Procuring a prostitute for a patron;
(f)Transporting a person into or within this State with purpose to promote that person's engaging in prostitution, or procuring or paying for transportation with that purpose; or
(g)Leasing or otherwise permitting a place controlled by the actor, alone or in association with others, to be regularly used for prostitution or promotion of prostitution, or failure to make a reasonable effort to abate such use by ejecting the tenant, notifying law enforcement authorities, or other legally available means.
You're right in that it does not seem she is being charged with prostitution, but rather "promoting prostitution." It's impossible to tell from the news blurb what evidence the State has to support the "Promoting Prostitution" charge.
NJSA 2C:34-1(4) defines "promoting prostitution" as any one of the following seven acts:
(a)Owning, controlling, managing, supervising or otherwise keeping, alone or in association with another, a house of prostitution or a prostitution business;
(b)Procuring an inmate for a house of prostitution or place in a house of prostitution for one who would be an inmate;
(c)Encouraging, inducing, or otherwise purposely causing another to become or remain a prostitute;
(d)Soliciting a person to patronize a prostitute;
(e)Procuring a prostitute for a patron;
(f)Transporting a person into or within this State with purpose to promote that person's engaging in prostitution, or procuring or paying for transportation with that purpose; or
(g)Leasing or otherwise permitting a place controlled by the actor, alone or in association with others, to be regularly used for prostitution or promotion of prostitution, or failure to make a reasonable effort to abate such use by ejecting the tenant, notifying law enforcement authorities, or other legally available means.
It looks to me like they are really trying to get her to stop being a nuisance to the neighbors...that is at least what I hope.
JB
Originally posted by Wowman
Gosh--an intelligent statement on this board! Alleluia!
At least this little misadventure by JC will lead to a temporary break in her non-stop posting of her availability (which seems to be any place, any time). I read elsewhere that she lives with her disabled mother in the same house that she was turning tricks in and asked her johns to come to the door with a briefcase in hand to throw off the neighbors. What an idiot! 51 years old, tattoos and piercings all over her, with a 33 year old son who has to live down his mother's activities and an ailing mother in the house. Pathetic!
I think she does more to demean the "profession" than enhance it. Real providers do not engage in such indiscrete activities and blab about where they are every minute of the day. But then again, JC isn't a real provider. She's just an aging streetwalker trying to bang her way out of debt.
Gosh--an intelligent statement on this board! Alleluia!
At least this little misadventure by JC will lead to a temporary break in her non-stop posting of her availability (which seems to be any place, any time). I read elsewhere that she lives with her disabled mother in the same house that she was turning tricks in and asked her johns to come to the door with a briefcase in hand to throw off the neighbors. What an idiot! 51 years old, tattoos and piercings all over her, with a 33 year old son who has to live down his mother's activities and an ailing mother in the house. Pathetic!
I think she does more to demean the "profession" than enhance it. Real providers do not engage in such indiscrete activities and blab about where they are every minute of the day. But then again, JC isn't a real provider. She's just an aging streetwalker trying to bang her way out of debt.
CGJ is a really nice lady who enjoys what she does. I had the pleasure of meeting her once and really enjoyed my time with her. I wish her good luck now. Am sorry she's has his problem.
True, her marketing department was a bit too enthusiastic, very effective, and that's probably the cause of her trouble, besides a nasty neighbor who may have seen some of her marketing on the web. Not hard to find it.
True, her marketing department was a bit too enthusiastic, very effective, and that's probably the cause of her trouble, besides a nasty neighbor who may have seen some of her marketing on the web. Not hard to find it.
Originally posted by John Blackthorne
I am no attorney, and maybe logic has no place in this, but wouldn't someone have to be charged with prostitution for such charges to stick? If there is no proven prostitution, then it becomes a house of cards.
I am no attorney, and maybe logic has no place in this, but wouldn't someone have to be charged with prostitution for such charges to stick? If there is no proven prostitution, then it becomes a house of cards.
As for the penalties, I'm not sure about monetary fines and such, but as far as jail time, I think a third degree crime carries a 3 to 5 year sentence, while a fourth degree crime carries no more than 18 months. With third and fourth degree crimes, there is a presumption of no jail time (unlike with first and second degree crimes where jail time is standard).
Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
While there is much to legitimately criticize Hillary Clinton for, there is nothing "Hitlerian" about her, IMHO, and as someone who admires her in many ways, I thoroughly resent the guilt by association in thus characterizing her.
While there is much to legitimately criticize Hillary Clinton for, there is nothing "Hitlerian" about her, IMHO, and as someone who admires her in many ways, I thoroughly resent the guilt by association in thus characterizing her.
Originally posted by wartboy
There are significant similarities between Hillary and Hitler. Hitler was a socialist -- as is Hillary. And both believe(d) that the "state" should have supreme power over the individual in both private and public matters.
There are significant similarities between Hillary and Hitler. Hitler was a socialist -- as is Hillary. And both believe(d) that the "state" should have supreme power over the individual in both private and public matters.
For that matter, I am a Socialist in some ways, so I gather you presume that I must have something in common with the Great Dictator?
I simply don't agree with your statement that Hillary believes "the State should have supreme power over the individual in both private and public manners." Particularly on many issues that are especially pertinent to women, her views could not be further from that statement, nor from Mr. Hitler's.
That the current administration (who likes her even less than you do) does have a fascistic agenda, and does believe that they should have supreme powers, over just about everything, I agree with completely.
So, we disagree. 'Nuff said...
Originally posted by justlooking
AS I SAID, WORK TO CHANGE THE LAWS YOU DON'T LIKE.
BUT PART OF CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE IS THAT YOU TAKE THE PENALTY IF YOU BREAK THE LAW. SO IF YOU JUST CHOOSE TO IGNORE LAWS YOU DON'T LIKE, YEAH, YOU "BRING IT ON YOURSELF" IF YOU GET BUSTED. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS: IF YOU WANT TO DO CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO DO THE TIME.
AS I SAID, WORK TO CHANGE THE LAWS YOU DON'T LIKE.
BUT PART OF CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE IS THAT YOU TAKE THE PENALTY IF YOU BREAK THE LAW. SO IF YOU JUST CHOOSE TO IGNORE LAWS YOU DON'T LIKE, YEAH, YOU "BRING IT ON YOURSELF" IF YOU GET BUSTED. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS: IF YOU WANT TO DO CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO DO THE TIME.
Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
For that matter, I am a Socialist in some ways, so I gather you presume that I must have something in common with the Great Dictator?
For that matter, I am a Socialist in some ways, so I gather you presume that I must have something in common with the Great Dictator?
Note that I said you would have "something in common." I am in no way accusing you of being another Hitler or Hilary. If you see my post otherwise, you're reading things into it -- something that occurs far too often on this board.