God, it's exhausting arguing with Oz (even when you're right... I can't imagine why some of you do it when you're so clearly wrong). Anyway, a lot of what was posted above was posted while I was writing this and gets duplicated...
I hate it when this kind of deconstruction is done, but Oz, you just bring up to many issues to reply in one choerent post without doing it. Heh, were you ever a CCX debater (common strategy was to throw out a ton of arguments and claim victory on anything that was 'dropped' - it lead to this ridiculous practice of speaking remarkably fast - spreading)
JM.. ok so it's not "50" times... i exaggerated.
Yes, which is great rhetoric, but in this case your exageration is at the crux of your argument involving racism. What the facts show is that skagen has actually posted this anecdote very few times, and every time he did it was relevant to the discussion. Your basic premise is that he is attacking CLPC because he fealt he was wronged in the past. But the posts show that this hypothesis is completely inconsistant as Skagen has actually shown restraint in the past when the issue was brought up.
but there is at least one you missed because i think i discussed this once before with mr skagen. it was brief but it happened around nov-jan. maybe he didn't say any key words you searched for in his posts.... as i said it was brief.
If you can find it, I'd be happy to reconsider my position. I searched all posts with Skagen as poster and either April, cute, pussycats, or cats in the body.
anyway he makes a statement about agencies being inconsistent with customer service. well unless he's referring to his racism incident, he shouldn't be commenting on cust service being anything but that. it's misleading if the discussion is about looks, tardiness or anything else that he shouldn't comment on unless he's experienced it first hand.
What you have not demonstrated is that Skagen has never used CLPC. While it certainly seems as though he didn't use the service before his incident, I haven't seen any evidence that he didn't use it before the incident. In fact, Skagen seems to be implying lately that he did use the agency.
and race is most certainly an issue with him, that’s why he has CLPC, PIT and KS listed on his short list of inconsistent agencies. (weren't they all accused of not catering to black men in the past?).
I know PIT has, I don't remember if KS has. I also know that PIT has been accused of having inconsistant service. Also, you conveniently left out wings and Impulse in your list. If these two agencies have been accused of racism, then I might concede your point here, but as of now I only see a list of agencies which could very well be accused of having inconsistant service. I mean, April herself admitted that service at CLPC was sketchy when she had ostensibly given up the helm.
the fact that he keeps bringing it up and labeling CLPC racist because of one incident that happened a year ago is totally wrong and especially since he hasn’t provided any evidence that they have actively practiced racism since his incident.
A) as I've shown, he doesn't keep bringing it up. Your caliming that he does over and over will never make that true. Nor have I seen him continue to label CLPC as racist. He did not do so in this thread until you pushed him in that direction.
B) Any event that happens to an individual is fair game for that individual to talk about. I mean my God, how many times have you told the pissing on a Paris landmark story? He has never claimed that the agency continues to be racist (as far as I can see, again you're welcome to find a counterexample and I'll review my opinion). He has only (and very infrequently I might add) repeated that this incident happened at one time.
or perhaps ever....since we still haven't determined if one girls selectiveness/racism should label an entire agency racist?) after all.. mr skagen WAS NOT refused service from the agency itself. that’s an issue that we also never sorted out that would settle a lot of things.
Stop trying to tempt me into a tangent (stupid smiley).
It won't sort anything out. This whole pissing match started because Skagen made a very broad conjecture as to the actual goings on at CLPC, not because he claimed racism. As I pointed out in my last thread, racism would never have enterred into the discourse if you hadn't put it there.
the fact he even posted in this thread shows that he had race on his mind because he's never had anything but THAT kind of experience with CLPC/AE or april herself. he's never seen her girls, experienced tardiness, bait n switch, the girl being fatter than her pic or as described..... nothing. his only issue that he should be commenting on concerning CLPC or april is RACISM.
Again, you have yet to show that Skagen has never had sessions at CLPC. Besides, I've never been to CLPC and I 'know' that service got spotty there for a while. If we're going to limit our comments to first person experience, Oz, then I think your posting volume will go down tremendously.
here's his first post in this thread.... if he never used this service nor ever gave them a dime.... he has NO business making a post like this.
Again that's an 'if' that you haven't established.
if i said this about julies you and 40 people would be all over me in a second.
This is just plain false. You, pswope, and a few other posters have made it a second hobby to take swipes at Julies over the last six months. I couldn't care less.
this is what i responded to. had he said they didn't service me because i was black or her girl refused to service me... i never could have made the post i made.
The leopard never changes its spots. "New management" is the most over-used dodge in the sex biz. "Yeah, I know you felt shafted last time, but that was someone else who fucked you. Just put your money on the line again so I can get mine too.".
Yeah, right....
So he was skeptical of CLPC's new management? Who cares? I mean, people around here make skeptical posts all the fucking time. We're a regular cadre of cynics. I personally never read this as anything more than speculation. But maybe your posts have just taught me to assume that much of what gets posted is really just speculation. Still, I do agree that it could (should) have been phrased differently. And it probably would have had you simply asked him if he were speculating rather than immediately going about tearing him a new asshole. Your howitzer approach to dealing with problems is very effective for troublemakers like Guy, Alyssa, and Madison. It fails miserably, however, with relatively rational posters as all you end up doing is putting them on the defensive. Result? Pissing match over a fairly small deal.
