Justme,
While I agree with most of your posts in this thread as well as in the past, I have to disagree with your opinion of Skagen.
I believe some of his comments are certainly racially motivated. I think by his some-what lame attempts in his posts above to portray Ozzy as a racist or attempting to persuade our opinion of him as someone who is racist, condones or belittles anyone’s experience with racism is no different than what he has done with April. That might not make him a racist by example, but it does show how he will use “racism” as propaganda to promote his cause. I think that was a very dirty trick Skagen played on Ozzy (twice) in deliberately editing his “quote” and removing a portion of his last sentence. A quote that in its entirety spells something completely different than what Skagen is expecting us to believe is Ozzies opinion (note: my question below). Because of this (and several other statements that I'll comment on) I believe that he does inject racism or his experiences with it into his various negative comments towards these agencies or people on the board. If not than how can you explain his comments to Ozzy or anyone else who only questioned his reasons for bashing April or CLPC. Comments like ” Apparently you believe that no black person can be victim of racist activity without automatically going on a vendetta” or how about his own list of 5 inconsistent agencies that includes two or three which supposedly have practiced or still do practice racism, that's 2 or 3 (if we include KS) out of 5, or roughly 40% or 60% of "his list” (in case we’re keeping track). Is that all there is in this business or are those just the only ones on his mind? I’ll assume the others he listed (wings, impulse etc.) and commented on were because he previously visited them and for the correct reasons he’s acknowledging them as being inconsistent. Now he can’t possibly have first hand knowledge of any inconsistencies in service quality, quality of girls, or customer service at these particular places that practice racism if he's never used any of them, which apparently is the case until he states otherwise. So, any negative comments he’s put fourth about any of these two or three agencies other than racism, is based solely on his speculation or on his previous experience, which according to his own words was two phone calls and a denial of service one time due to racism and a second due to his distaste for their personal questions about nationality. Now if you (or Skagen) want to claim that he did visit these establishments than he can’t exactly claim that these agencies ‘as a whole’ practice racism, can he? You may also notice that slinkybender and Skagen himself edited one or two of his posts in the original thread? I only mention this because it is my belief that he himself threw the "N" word around in some of his early posts ("What is MY nationality?" American - [edited by SB ]) and perhaps had second thoughts about it or maybe the moderator saw fit to remove the offending language himself. This kind of behavior is indicative of someone with whom race weighs heavily on their minds. It may not seem important to you but if the question was simply “what’s your nationality” and the response is “American ni**er”, then I think Skagen has issues beyond what he’s letting on, issues that I believe Ozzy was attempting to disclose to us.
Ozzy posted a fine example with his mention of Denny’s but, he didn’t expound upon it enough. Allow me to delve into it further... We all know that several of Denny’s restaurants were guilty of racial discrimination but, did every Denny’s employee in those particular restaurants practice racism? Did every restaurant in their entire chain practice racism? Do any of us believe that every Denny's employee should be punished because of the actions of those who did? I think (I hope) we all know it’s not right to fault the masses for the actions of a few (right Skagen?), as this is a form of bigotry. It is this form of bigotry that I believe Skagen practices when he labels an entire agency as racist or practicing racism. Skagen’s claims that April previously admitted to practicing racism herself (other than her statement that one of her girls is "selective"are not only unproven but also, denied by her. He's faulting the entire agency because one girl practices discrimination in selecting her clients. Now I really don't want to ask “this question” (my ‘note’ above) but since Ozzy did mention it already and it is a somewhat important question considering the facts here; I’ll ask it again since I don’t understand why he was so was rudely admonished for it in the first place. Is a prostitute or any girl who uses race as a deciding factor for who she chooses to sleep with consistent with racism? As I said, I prefer not to start this topic now but it is at the crux of this situation, and it is something we should all think about before throwing racial accusations around in this business. I’d just like to also state that this is by no means the same as an agency refusing any service to anyone because of their race, We’re talking about a single girl since Skagen and others have admitted being offered services from others at this establishment or previously visiting said establishment.
And as bad as anyone might think Ozzy acted in this thread by bringing the racism issue into it, I think he honestly meant to point out how Skagen himself practices bigotry by his comments towards April and her agency because of the actions or beliefs of only one of her employee’s.
JustMe, it’s just as you stated earlier in this thread about knowing Ozzy better than some of us and knowing how he can misrepresent his opinions due to “bad wording”. Well that’s Ozzy and sometimes his excellent points are lost within his rants. However, I don’t believe he attempted to deliberately mislead anyone as Skagen has done with those edits of Ozzies posts, and by refusing to answer Ozzies rebuttals concerning his proof of Aprils admission of practicing racism. Nor was he accusing anyone of an act so appalling as what Skagen has done (without substantial proof) to April and CLPC as a whole.
Ozzy misbehaved in this thread but I don’t think it was racially motivated nor was it based on any hatred. I believe Skagen misbehaved as well as attempting to mislead us with his initial speculative posts. He then got sucked into a flame war that he stood no chance of winning because in merit, I think Ozzy was right. How he went about proving it was misguided. I can’t fault someone too much for being misguided but I do if someone purposely set out to deceive.
To Skagen, for someone who tries to pass himself off as an intellectual you are not fairing very well when you refer to a person as a “cowardly, underhanded piece of crap!”, “gutless coward”, “pathetic, two-faced loser”, “pathetic desperate hypocrite”, “someone who should be denied the right to breed” as well as making statements like… “People like you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce, Ozzy - it is flat out dangerous to the human race” and lets not forget this little ditty…” Please don't hide like a coward. Your type usually are” Your type? For someone who placed himself on a very high pedestal in this thread like you did, you shouldn’t have uttered those two words. Skagen, if you ask me, your slip is showing. I can only offer these few words of advice from someone I hope you respect enough to abide by them.
Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
MLK August 28, 1963
While I agree with most of your posts in this thread as well as in the past, I have to disagree with your opinion of Skagen.
I believe some of his comments are certainly racially motivated. I think by his some-what lame attempts in his posts above to portray Ozzy as a racist or attempting to persuade our opinion of him as someone who is racist, condones or belittles anyone’s experience with racism is no different than what he has done with April. That might not make him a racist by example, but it does show how he will use “racism” as propaganda to promote his cause. I think that was a very dirty trick Skagen played on Ozzy (twice) in deliberately editing his “quote” and removing a portion of his last sentence. A quote that in its entirety spells something completely different than what Skagen is expecting us to believe is Ozzies opinion (note: my question below). Because of this (and several other statements that I'll comment on) I believe that he does inject racism or his experiences with it into his various negative comments towards these agencies or people on the board. If not than how can you explain his comments to Ozzy or anyone else who only questioned his reasons for bashing April or CLPC. Comments like ” Apparently you believe that no black person can be victim of racist activity without automatically going on a vendetta” or how about his own list of 5 inconsistent agencies that includes two or three which supposedly have practiced or still do practice racism, that's 2 or 3 (if we include KS) out of 5, or roughly 40% or 60% of "his list” (in case we’re keeping track). Is that all there is in this business or are those just the only ones on his mind? I’ll assume the others he listed (wings, impulse etc.) and commented on were because he previously visited them and for the correct reasons he’s acknowledging them as being inconsistent. Now he can’t possibly have first hand knowledge of any inconsistencies in service quality, quality of girls, or customer service at these particular places that practice racism if he's never used any of them, which apparently is the case until he states otherwise. So, any negative comments he’s put fourth about any of these two or three agencies other than racism, is based solely on his speculation or on his previous experience, which according to his own words was two phone calls and a denial of service one time due to racism and a second due to his distaste for their personal questions about nationality. Now if you (or Skagen) want to claim that he did visit these establishments than he can’t exactly claim that these agencies ‘as a whole’ practice racism, can he? You may also notice that slinkybender and Skagen himself edited one or two of his posts in the original thread? I only mention this because it is my belief that he himself threw the "N" word around in some of his early posts ("What is MY nationality?" American - [edited by SB ]) and perhaps had second thoughts about it or maybe the moderator saw fit to remove the offending language himself. This kind of behavior is indicative of someone with whom race weighs heavily on their minds. It may not seem important to you but if the question was simply “what’s your nationality” and the response is “American ni**er”, then I think Skagen has issues beyond what he’s letting on, issues that I believe Ozzy was attempting to disclose to us.
Ozzy posted a fine example with his mention of Denny’s but, he didn’t expound upon it enough. Allow me to delve into it further... We all know that several of Denny’s restaurants were guilty of racial discrimination but, did every Denny’s employee in those particular restaurants practice racism? Did every restaurant in their entire chain practice racism? Do any of us believe that every Denny's employee should be punished because of the actions of those who did? I think (I hope) we all know it’s not right to fault the masses for the actions of a few (right Skagen?), as this is a form of bigotry. It is this form of bigotry that I believe Skagen practices when he labels an entire agency as racist or practicing racism. Skagen’s claims that April previously admitted to practicing racism herself (other than her statement that one of her girls is "selective"are not only unproven but also, denied by her. He's faulting the entire agency because one girl practices discrimination in selecting her clients. Now I really don't want to ask “this question” (my ‘note’ above) but since Ozzy did mention it already and it is a somewhat important question considering the facts here; I’ll ask it again since I don’t understand why he was so was rudely admonished for it in the first place. Is a prostitute or any girl who uses race as a deciding factor for who she chooses to sleep with consistent with racism? As I said, I prefer not to start this topic now but it is at the crux of this situation, and it is something we should all think about before throwing racial accusations around in this business. I’d just like to also state that this is by no means the same as an agency refusing any service to anyone because of their race, We’re talking about a single girl since Skagen and others have admitted being offered services from others at this establishment or previously visiting said establishment.
And as bad as anyone might think Ozzy acted in this thread by bringing the racism issue into it, I think he honestly meant to point out how Skagen himself practices bigotry by his comments towards April and her agency because of the actions or beliefs of only one of her employee’s.
JustMe, it’s just as you stated earlier in this thread about knowing Ozzy better than some of us and knowing how he can misrepresent his opinions due to “bad wording”. Well that’s Ozzy and sometimes his excellent points are lost within his rants. However, I don’t believe he attempted to deliberately mislead anyone as Skagen has done with those edits of Ozzies posts, and by refusing to answer Ozzies rebuttals concerning his proof of Aprils admission of practicing racism. Nor was he accusing anyone of an act so appalling as what Skagen has done (without substantial proof) to April and CLPC as a whole.
Ozzy misbehaved in this thread but I don’t think it was racially motivated nor was it based on any hatred. I believe Skagen misbehaved as well as attempting to mislead us with his initial speculative posts. He then got sucked into a flame war that he stood no chance of winning because in merit, I think Ozzy was right. How he went about proving it was misguided. I can’t fault someone too much for being misguided but I do if someone purposely set out to deceive.
To Skagen, for someone who tries to pass himself off as an intellectual you are not fairing very well when you refer to a person as a “cowardly, underhanded piece of crap!”, “gutless coward”, “pathetic, two-faced loser”, “pathetic desperate hypocrite”, “someone who should be denied the right to breed” as well as making statements like… “People like you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce, Ozzy - it is flat out dangerous to the human race” and lets not forget this little ditty…” Please don't hide like a coward. Your type usually are” Your type? For someone who placed himself on a very high pedestal in this thread like you did, you shouldn’t have uttered those two words. Skagen, if you ask me, your slip is showing. I can only offer these few words of advice from someone I hope you respect enough to abide by them.
Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
MLK August 28, 1963
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