2021-2022 MLB Hot Stove Discussions

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<<Not a Yankee Hater also Not a big Yankee Fan either. HUGE BAseball Fan
Just curious after last years roller coaster how exactly do you even trust Cole? BTW met Cole almost 4 years ago in Houston. Kind of a Douche
Also because he was 3rd in the AL in strikeouts and ERA. Cy Young runner up .And led the league with 16 wins.

Also don't care if he is a douche or pompous.

DeGrom and Scherzer look filthy! That is a series 1-2 and a solid 3 in Bassett.

Has Conforto signed with anyone yet?
He is still a free agent I believe.
 
Also because he was 3rd in the AL in strikeouts and ERA. Cy Young runner up .And led the league with 16 wins.

Also don't care if he is a douche or pompous.


He is still a free agent I believe.

My point was NOT that his Year End totals did not pan out extremely well but More about the inconsistency. & the way he finished. Look it up! I don't have to. He was the biggest piece to my Fantasy rotation. So I lived it.
Luckily I was adept at identifying prospects and Acquiring Ray through trade to pull off a Victorious 20021 Campaign.
The Douche comment was simply additional fodder not intended to reflect upon his prowess.

And you are correct Conforto is Still Without a Home? The drop-off for him & Bellinger is completely befuddling. Possibly Historic(More in Bellinger's case).
 

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DeGrom and Scherzer look filthy! That is a series 1-2 and a solid 3 in Bassett.

Has Conforto signed with anyone yet?
Wife is a big Mets fan. (Makes for an interesting rivalry in my home. Subway Series games are especially fun.)

So I wound up watching Sunday's game with her. That Mets 1-2 tandem was impressive. The fans were loving it. What a treat it must have been to see that tandem in a game where you didn't have to take a bank loan to attend with your family.
 
Wife is a big Mets fan. (Makes for an interesting rivalry in my home. Subway Series games are especially fun.)

So I wound up watching Sunday's game with her. That Mets 1-2 tandem was impressive. The fans were loving it. What a treat it must have been to see that tandem in a game where you didn't have to take a bank loan to attend with your family.
As a Yankees fan I am jealous, that is a nice 1-2 punch.
 
@yankeesfan2663 How come we never see you comment in here? Figured you'd be active since it's mostly Yank fans that have wandered into the discussion.
I have been meaning to post on here. Just been having a busy schedule so haven't posted in a while. Got to say, glad we got rid of Gary Sanchez, what a defensive nightmare. Was sad to see gio Urshela go tho. Heard judge might get a big extension which I feel is deserved, I understand the injury risks that some ppl may feel be a liability. It'll be an interesting season for the yanks.
 
Really who cares if Cole is a douche. So was Jeter and look how he turned out.
If I am a Yank fan, and I am not, but have always liked Cole, of coarse I have my reservations about Cole. Hasn’t been clutch. Has t been the same without the sticky shot. But he is still really good and so talented, I think he will be fine. He will not crash. If he is not great, he will still be one of the best and be really really good.
 
I have followed Gerrit Cole since his Pittsburgh days. I always thought he was a great talent. Not sure about his personality, but who cares if he wins the yankees games when it matters. I was thrilled when we got Cole. I feel we haven't had an ace like him a while. Probably since CC from what I remember. Others along the way have been disappointing
 
Felllas Fellas,
Can we stop worrying about the whole Douche comment. It was a small point of interest and only meant to be such since he does have that rep. I was merely confirming it. Clearly I DON'T Care that much either as I Drafted him for my team. Just as you view him being on Your Team(The Yanks)
But when it comes to his "Talent" & "Performance" I was also merely stating that he was not just lacking in the clutch. He was WILDLY Inconsistent.
First 2 months he was close to matching deGrom Next 4 months he was a well below avg. pitcher with only a handful of really good starts. Pretty Much EXACTLY what he was in Pittsburgh. Then goes to Houston the land of all cheating methodology & the rest is history.
Can he re-invent himself...AGAIN?? Sure Maybe. But it's Not a small data pool that shows he may not.
Be Hopeful! Go ahead You're Fans after all. But Please don't be blind or intentionally fooling yourselves.
I submit to you the evidence
 
DATE OPP IP H ER BB K P DEC ERA WHIP
2021 Regular Season
Sun 6/27 @BOSBOS 5 8 5 2 6 89 L(8-4) 9.00 2.00
Tue 6/22 vsKCKC 7 3 2 3 6 108 - 2.57 0.86
Wed 6/16 @TORTOR 8 4 2 1 4 104 W(8-3) 2.25 0.63
Wed 6/9 @MINMIN 6 5 2 0 9 94 W(7-3) 3.00 0.83
Thu 6/3 vsTBTB 5 5 5 2 7 92 L(6-3) 9.00 1.40
JUNE 31 25 16 8 32 487 - 4.65 1.06
Thu 7/29 @TBTB 5.1 6 7 2 10 105 L(10-6) 12.35 1.57
Fri 7/23 @BOSBOS 5 6 3 2 8 104 L(10-5) 5.40 1.60
Sat 7/17 vsBOSBOS 6 5 1 2 11 96 W(10-4) 1.50 1.17
Sat 7/10 @HOUHOU 9 3 0 2 12 129 W(9-4) 0.00 0.56
Sun 7/4 vsNYMNYM 3.1 6 4 3 6 80 - 11.61 2.90
JULY 28.2 26 15 11 47 514 - 4.71 1.31
Fri 8/27 @OAKOAK 6 6 0 2 9 104 W(13-6) 0.00 1.33
Sat 8/21 vsMINMIN 6 5 0 1 6 97 W(12-6) 0.00 1.00
Mon 8/16 vsLAALAA 5.2 2 1 1 9 90 W(11-6) 1.73 0.58
AUGUST 17.2 13 1 4 24 291 - 0.52 0.99
Wed 9/29 @TORTOR 6 9 5 0 6 96 - 7.50 1.50
Fri 9/24 @BOSBOS 6 5 3 3 6 94 W(16-8) 4.50 1.33
Sun 9/19 vsCLECLE 5.2 10 7 1 7 104 L(15-8) 12.12 2.12
Tue 9/14 @BALBAL 5 4 1 3 7 108 W(15-7) 1.80 1.40
Tue 9/7 vsTORTOR 3.2 5 2 2 2 70 L(14-7) 5.63 2.19
Wed 9/1 @LAALAA 7 4 1 0 15 116 W(14-6) 1.29 0.57
SEPTEMBER 33.1 37 19 9 43 588 - 5.13 1.39
Postseason
Tue 10/5 @BOSBOS 2 4 3 2 3 50 L(0-1) 13.50 3.00

IP H ER BB K P RECORD ERA WHIP
LAST 20 START TOTA 111.5 105 54 34 149 1930 10-7 4.36 1.25


TYPE OF START # %
DOMINANT 2 10.0%
QUALITY 7 35.0% 45.0%

AVERAGE 2 10.0%
POOR 1 5.0%
DISASTER 8 40.0% 45.0%
 
Felllas Fellas,
Can we stop worrying about the whole Douche comment. It was a small point of interest and only meant to be such since he does have that rep. I was merely confirming it. Clearly I DON'T Care that much either as I Drafted him for my team. Just as you view him being on Your Team(The Yanks)
But when it comes to his "Talent" & "Performance" I was also merely stating that he was not just lacking in the clutch. He was WILDLY Inconsistent.
First 2 months he was close to matching deGrom Next 4 months he was a well below avg. pitcher with only a handful of really good starts. Pretty Much EXACTLY what he was in Pittsburgh. Then goes to Houston the land of all cheating methodology & the rest is history.
Can he re-invent himself...AGAIN?? Sure Maybe. But it's Not a small data pool that shows he may not.
Be Hopeful! Go ahead You're Fans after all. But Please don't be blind or intentionally fooling yourselves.
I submit to you the evidence
I STILL trust Cole over any Yankee starter.
 
DATE OPP IP H ER BB K P DEC ERA WHIP
2021 Regular Season
Sun 6/27 @BOSBOS 5 8 5 2 6 89 L(8-4) 9.00 2.00
Tue 6/22 vsKCKC 7 3 2 3 6 108 - 2.57 0.86
Wed 6/16 @TORTOR 8 4 2 1 4 104 W(8-3) 2.25 0.63
Wed 6/9 @MINMIN 6 5 2 0 9 94 W(7-3) 3.00 0.83
Thu 6/3 vsTBTB 5 5 5 2 7 92 L(6-3) 9.00 1.40
JUNE 31 25 16 8 32 487 - 4.65 1.06
Thu 7/29 @TBTB 5.1 6 7 2 10 105 L(10-6) 12.35 1.57
Fri 7/23 @BOSBOS 5 6 3 2 8 104 L(10-5) 5.40 1.60
Sat 7/17 vsBOSBOS 6 5 1 2 11 96 W(10-4) 1.50 1.17
Sat 7/10 @HOUHOU 9 3 0 2 12 129 W(9-4) 0.00 0.56
Sun 7/4 vsNYMNYM 3.1 6 4 3 6 80 - 11.61 2.90
JULY 28.2 26 15 11 47 514 - 4.71 1.31
Fri 8/27 @OAKOAK 6 6 0 2 9 104 W(13-6) 0.00 1.33
Sat 8/21 vsMINMIN 6 5 0 1 6 97 W(12-6) 0.00 1.00
Mon 8/16 vsLAALAA 5.2 2 1 1 9 90 W(11-6) 1.73 0.58
AUGUST 17.2 13 1 4 24 291 - 0.52 0.99
Wed 9/29 @TORTOR 6 9 5 0 6 96 - 7.50 1.50
Fri 9/24 @BOSBOS 6 5 3 3 6 94 W(16-8) 4.50 1.33
Sun 9/19 vsCLECLE 5.2 10 7 1 7 104 L(15-8) 12.12 2.12
Tue 9/14 @BALBAL 5 4 1 3 7 108 W(15-7) 1.80 1.40
Tue 9/7 vsTORTOR 3.2 5 2 2 2 70 L(14-7) 5.63 2.19
Wed 9/1 @LAALAA 7 4 1 0 15 116 W(14-6) 1.29 0.57
SEPTEMBER 33.1 37 19 9 43 588 - 5.13 1.39
Postseason
Tue 10/5 @BOSBOS 2 4 3 2 3 50 L(0-1) 13.50 3.00

IP H ER BB K P RECORD ERA WHIP
LAST 20 START TOTA 111.5 105 54 34 149 1930 10-7 4.36 1.25


TYPE OF START # %
DOMINANT 2 10.0%
QUALITY 7 35.0% 45.0%

AVERAGE 2 10.0%
POOR 1 5.0%
DISASTER 8 40.0% 45.0%
Maybe he got tired down the stretch in 2021? Wasn't there some speculation that he had a bad hammy. Check out those stats you typed and see where he left that game with the hammy issue. That might be a cause too.
2020 he pitched 12 games, in 2021 he pitched 30.
Thats a big jump in innings pitched.

As a Yankee fan lets hope it was the extra innings coming off of 2020 and the hammy. Otherwise we will be screwed.
 
Cole has been a disappointment to date. The team has been as well. He is not the unhittable pitcher that he was when he was with Houston. He's put up good numbers, but I wanted him to be Bob Gibson or even Andy Petitte for that matter.

By May 31st, I want his stat line to be (assuming 10 starts) 7-1 2.25 ERA 68 IP 72K's 15 BB's
 
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