The death of any illusions about my sanity

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justme

homo economicus
#41
Re: Re: Piercing the void

Originally posted by pjorourke
Could someone fill me in on what exactly is Frog's Quantuum Theory of Commercial Sex?
Frog stated that rather than existing as discrete states, commercial and non-comercial, sexual relationships could be placed on a continuum of greater impersonality, degree of quid pro quoism, and emotional involvement.

He is, of course, absolutely correct.
 

pjorourke

Thinks he's Caesar's Wife
#42
So if I'm understanding this correctly, this theory is not compatible with CiTV where commercial and non commercial sex exist as distincly different states -- one taking place in The Void, the other outside it.
 

justme

homo economicus
#43
That's always been my reading of it.

(We are surrounded by void. Matter is fairly dense so most of reality, including our own bodies, is empty. I'm not sure why I felt the need to post that.)
 
#45
Originally posted by Judge Crater
*Lest anybody think I'm really all that cynical, my hat is still off to the man who apparently gave Inna $28K to leave Julies. His heart (and penis) was in the right place.
Is your hat really off to him JC? Anyone who had a 5 minute conversation with her using his larger head would realize that she wasn't going to b school. All that large donation gave her was the ability to see less customers a week as a 1k an hour prostitute, instead of a 100 bucks an hour at Julie's.
 

justme

homo economicus
#46
Originally posted by justme
Not well.

Although by the time things came to an end, our pidgeon version of English was about 85% as expressive as my everyday English. This was up from an introductory 5%.
The joke among my friends remains that I either have to involve myself with more women that can't understand what I'm telling them or just not talk.
 

justme

homo economicus
#47
Holey Shit! Rust still reads this board?

(Any humiliation that I might eventually derive from this thread is mitigated by seeing a Rust post. How's school?)
 
#49
PJ:

Nope. It is a central tenet of CiTV that non-commercial sex can be every bit as alienated as commercial sex. Witness the relationships of Jean and Catherine with Bob and Herb in Mrs. Chong's Debut.

These couples weren't taking each other anywhere by way of emotional and spiritual development. They all constructively abandoned each other while continuing to live together.


JM:

I think CiTV is the superior theory due to its greater grasp of the underlying facts. Johns who play the Lover character or Charmer characters only think they've established a connection.

I'm curious. How could this woman you write about have appreciated you without understanding what you value most in yourself?

Other aspects of the relationship seem worthy. The honesty, ability to compromise without dominating each other, talking to you when you were upset - That's all good stuff.

What was she most afraid of?


JC
 
#50
you SAID u'll answer all questions . . .

Originally posted by justme
I have never dated a Catholic (the significance of my religious upbringing is far more subliminal).
1. what does this mean?

Originally posted by justme
I've never taken vaca. Is that like MDMA.

(I never hobby on vacation. Well, almost never)
i don't know; what's mdma like? i think they called it mda in my day.

since i know that drugs are yr hobby:

i've taken significant amounts of the following: pot, angel dust, barbituates, quaaludes, let me say that again i did so many, quaaludes, every other manner of muscle relaxer and downer manufactured here or abroad (bootleg and real), valium (and any tranq i could get my hands on), percosets (and its subsets), freebase, crack, heroin, opium (and its other derivatives), lsd, peyote (and other varieties of hallucenigenic mushrooms), mescaline, but never ecstacy -- i'm too old.

(hombre can't believe it, having a pretty good love affair with the stuff himself. but, he's a fair bit younger than me.) i gave up drugs RIGHT before i started constantly hearing it called x (1983-4?). btw, the only thing i've ever had a problem with is: wine, cocktails and cigarettes. everything else just faded away. truth be told, i do get a yen for heroin every now and then, but just on very stressful days.

i wasn't asking whether u see providers on vacation. i was asking whether u were on vacation owing to the fact that there had been a quiet period b/f yr true confession.

o, btw, re: yr true confession. u can meet people in the funniest places. why should it matter that u met her while she was working? although, if the affair had a built-in in limit wrt duration, i wonder whether u weren't just dicking around w/yrself anyway.

i don't think living w/a hooker is really subject to as much social oppobrium as people think. if it was, why would so many books and movies use it as a plot device?

r u lonely tonight?
hvb
 
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Originally posted by justme
Holey Shit! Rust still reads this board?

(Any humiliation that I might eventually derive from this thread is mitigated by seeing a Rust post. How's school?)
Sometimes.

And I'm sure any humiliation you may feel, I've already gone through a few times over.

Difficult.
 

justme

homo economicus
#54
Originally posted by Judge Crater
I think CiTV is the superior theory due to its greater grasp of the underlying facts. Johns who play the Lover character or Charmer characters only think they've established a connection.

I'm curious. How could this woman you write about have appreciated you without understanding what you value most in yourself?

Other aspects of the relationship seem worthy. The honesty, ability to compromise without dominating each other, talking to you when you were upset - That's all good stuff.

What was she most afraid of?
I like CiTV because it very precisely does define the roles that are almost always assumed in commercial sex. I like some aspects of free market capitalism and some aspects of socialism. frog's theory get's to be absolutely right mostly by not claiming so much.

Ah, she understood it, but couldn't evaluate it, and ultimately thought that it wasn't as important. She's probably right, but my self esteem is too tied up with my self perception to deal with that at the moment.

She was/is most afraid of her mother.
 
#56
o come on

Originally posted by pswope
Judge

After he does that,please adivse whether any inter-gender relationship of extended length, is substantially functional & healthy?

(I'm not being disrepectful,just trying to start a Socratic dialogue,since we're in re-run season)
u don't really believe this do u? what about the bobbsey twins, they got along well.

i like the other,
hvb
 
#58
jm:

The essential presumptiousness and vanity of being a john is not comprehended in Frog's theory. A man remains blind to himself if he thinks it can describe reality.

We can never make prostitutes our beloved, servant girl, admirerer, nurse, etc. They only pretend to be what it is that we want them to be because it earns them money and gives them a feeling of power.

Did you tell her what you were most afraid of?



jl:

I can only hope. It wasn't me.
 
#59
yeah,

Originally posted by justme
Not well.

Although by the time things came to an end, our pidgeon version of English was about 85% as expressive as my everyday English. This was up from an introductory 5%.
but given one of YOUR opening lines is something like:

If x = 21/2 were rational, there would exist a quantity s commensurable both with 1 and x: 1 = sn and x = sm. (It's the same as assuming that x = m/n and taking s = 1/n.) The same will be true of their difference x -1, which is smaller than x.

what percentage of yr everyday english is as expressive as say crater's?

squared,
hvb
 
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please don't take this the wrong way, jl

re: jm's girl's mother

Originally posted by justlooking
Have you ever met anyone of whom that isn't true?.)
judging by the outcome, even I am afraid of your mother.

a woman who says oy,
hvb
 
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