NEW Happenings.,......the 411

justme

homo economicus
Originally posted by Ozzy
what did i say in this thread that leads you to believe something different?

Ozzy, posted on 06-15-2002 01:16 PM
i heard about that "pimp/BF" thing months ago.... so if i knew about it then so did julie.
move on... she isn't the only girl in this business with a pimp or a jealous BF (if thats the case).


since i acknowledged the fact that she has a pimp several times in this thread it leads me to believe that you're becoming one of those people who don't read................. (my posts anyway).

either that or what you're saying is that last month at julies her pimp was ok but now that she's at april's he's an evil client killing thug ?
Perhaps my reading comprehension has diminished in the past few days. Who know? But I couldn't really find a place in the thread where you stated that you believed she had a pimp.

I mean, take the the post you quoted above. You say that you heard about the 'pimp/BF' thing months ago. Hearing about something and believing something are different, no? I did not want to assume that your admitting to hearing about this guy in Heaven's life was equivalent to your believeing that such a man really existed. Secondly, I wasn't too sure how to read that '/'. If it's an 'and' and you aknowledge the existence of a pimp that is a boyfriend at the same time then there's a little less confusion. But if it's an 'or' and you're simply saying that you heard about some guy that might have been a boyfriend or might have been a pimp... well then there's that much more amiguity as to what you actually believe. Finally, you end the post with the parenthetical, '(If that's the case)' which led me to believe that you were somewhat undecided as to whether or not Heaven had a pimp.

So you see, Ozzy, it's not so much that I'm not reading your posts. It's more that I'm reading them very carefully. I don't want to be accused of making assumptions or being speculative. And in my close reading of your posts in this thread, I couldn't find one concrete example of you're explicitly saying that you believe that Heaven works for a pimp who subcontracts her out to incalls.

As you're taking a very vocal role in this debate, I wanted to clarify this once and for all.

So I reject your claim that either I am not reading your posts or

what you're saying is that last month at julies her pimp was ok but now that she's at april's he's an evil client killing thug

And I really question where in my very short, three line post, there is any evidence for my believeing anything remotely similar to this.

Anyways, despite the pointless rhetoric in your post above, you have answered my question. A simple 'yes' really would have been enough.
 

justme

homo economicus
Re: PS......

Hey Oz, in light of April and Heaven's most recent posts:

Do you believe that Heaven works for a pimp who subcontracts her out to incalls?

A yes or a no will do.
 

Escort_King

Some day I will learn to post ISO's in the proper
that's extra

Originally posted by WernerErhard
i want to fuck the julies parrot
The bbbjtc is till she bites it off.... and anal is only allowed if you are willing to ante up the replacement cost of the bird!!!
 

Escort_King

Some day I will learn to post ISO's in the proper
This is wrong

Originally posted by Ozzy
wait for the truth to come out when NOTHING happens concerning heavens BF.



the fact that julie said nothing about this before when she obviously knew (since heavens pimp was known about long ago), pretty much says a lot about her motives in making it public knowledge on her website and especially now that heaven is at aprils. and don't be foolish thinking that just because she posted about it on HER site makes it not for public consumption....... we know about it here don't we? (ie... NO whore board is private)

as for the second part... if heavens situation were at all that dangerous i don't think julie would have wanted her around her house.... since incall is much more dangerous than outcall when it comes to anything that might attract LE.


i was going to say the truth and that it (heavens BF/pimp) was a big ado about nothing but, then you or someone else would just have accused me whitewashing a dangerous issue so as to protect april....... i can't win.


make your own rational decisions.









btw.... if heaven was fired by julie a month ago...... why did julie wait until the day it was announced that heaven was working for april before making her statement on her website?


i'll tell you why.............. because julie is full of shit!
Ozzy you are wrong on this one.... know firsthand that there were all sorts of problems with Heaven... don't have a shot at Julie, she was really trying to help the girl but she just didn't want to give up the b/f... when it comes down to it you can only offer so much help.... I think Julie may have posted about the possible problem to let people have a heads up... Julie understands that hobbyists are going to use a variety of services and has no problems with that.... she may have posted the info on her site to let her members be aware of a potential problem... but again I know that the 2 pimps Heaven was being pulled between were real.... and the one was a very psychotic individual... yes I like Julie but I also like the truth...
 
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the whole thing is...... NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE REAL TRUTH IS!


not you, not me, not justme, not donald and not even julie nor april. only heaven probably knows what the fuck is going on. i've heard everyting from of simple BF to a jealous one. as well as a pimp to a pimp who is also her psycho BF (you people act like you never heard of a girl with a pimp). who cares? i'm sure i've banged many a girls who i thought were indies or house girls who probably had some form of "pimp" working behind the scenes. if heaven says there is NO BF and NO BF but julie and a bunch of clients say there is....... than who do you choose to listen to.... heaven who is first hand or julie/april who are second or a client who is third hand knowledge? i'm not saying who to believe as far as the BF or pimp thing (if there is any)..... but i'm pretty certain that there isn't any more "danger" involved with heaven or april than at any other illegal prostitution establishment in NYC. to say any different is foolish and judgemental until proven otherwise.

don't know how i got dragged into this when all i did was offer my opinion that julie was wrong for choosing this particular moment in time to out heavens problems...(IF she indeed has any). i also said that i ONLY heard about this pimp or BF and never said she did or didn't have one because.....

1) i've never met the girl.

2) i haven't been to julies since before she started working there.

3) never heard from anyone with first hand knowledge or proof that this pimp exists or doesn't exist.


hows that JM?
 
btw... EK, everyone.......


don't you think it's a bit funny and ironic that heaven is accusing tank and madmach (jag staff) of being behind this smear campaign about her and april?

and the fact that SHE claims firsthand knowledge of this should be something to consider. it's alot better than hearing anything from a duck who hides behind fakes names or a client who is only repeating hersay.
 
3) never heard from anyone with first hand knowledge or proof that this pimp exists or doesn't exist.


i should add..... until i saw heavens post. (thats not to say it's truthful or deceitful, just that it is the only first hand info available)
 

justme

homo economicus
Thanks Oz, but you're making this too complicated.

I wasn't asking you for fact. I mean, I know that no one except for the first person people involved know for sure whether or not Heaven has a pimp.

What I was asking you for is your opinion. That's why I asked what you believed. I was asking you for two reasons.

1.) You tend to have pretty good information on this shit.
2.) You were posting a lot in this thread which led me to believe that you had some specific inside knowledge.

And I'm still at the point I was at when I made the initial post in this thread. Namely, I'd like to know if Ozzy personally believes that Heaven has a pimp that farms her out to incall establishments. It's beginning to look like I'll never get an answer to that question.
 
it is my opinion that she once did since this stuff just doesn't get around if there was nothing there. but do i think she still has one? well i think if there was one before there's a good possability that there's still one now. but again... i'm only basing it on what i (and all of us) have heard up until now, and that was all from second or third hand sources. i haven't spoken to april in a few days nor have i ever spoken to heaven. if you want an honest answer the only one i can give you is I DON'T KNOW.


it isn't about whether she has one or not since it's stupid to comment on just THIS girls pimp and not others (like every pimp in ny is nice except THIS ONE). i'm just saying that this guy (if he exists) didn't just get angry over night when heaven decided to go to aprils, and he was a saint when she worked at julies than why get agry now that she moved across town?.... this brings up that use of magic powder that julie must sprinkle to make everyone in her employ behave and when they leave and theres no more magic powder... they turn into newts again.


JM.... You act like I’m refuting the pimp story. I’m not arguing that, (how many times to i have to type it) I’m just arguing the notion that he was once a nice guy when his whore worked at julies but now that she works someplace else… he’s suddenly an angry mob connected thug looking to beat up all heavens clients.





so what are you getting at?
 
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justme

homo economicus
Oz - I'm not getting at anything.

I'm simply curious as to whether or not you believe that this girl has a pimp. I've already explained why it is I'm asking you and not anyone else.

So to recap:

You believe that the girl once had a pimp. You believe that there's a good possibility that she still has one now. Ultimately, though, you wouldn't bet the farm either way... you just don't know.

That's close to what I wanted. How's this sound?

To whom it may concern:

There's all sorts of horrrible things in prostitution. Anyone who tries to tell you different is full of shit and should probably just be ignored on all topics. Whether or not this particular girl has a pimp should be not have any bearing on whether one should go to this incall house or that incall house. If you possibly think that this thread will give you the background necessary to experience guilt free completely ethical commercial sex... think again.
 
JM...

hows this sound...


what ever applied to a girl when she worked for place #1 should also apply to her now that she works for place #2. that goes for pimps (good and bad), service, looks, drug rumors and anything else that will be debated when said girl moves from one place to another.


how's that for squashing every future flame war from now on that concerns a girl who moves from one place to another? that should be saved and posted on top of all the boards.



it's not like i ever said olivia (for example) was a saint at aprils and then turned into a newt at julies. she was a newt as aprils as well and thats why she was always getting in trouble and getting complaints over there. did you see me attacking anyone here on UG who posted about how she nodded off during her sessions............. NO!
 
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