Can a guy really tell?

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

Well, I had a discussion with another fellow hobbyist Akshun on the subject of a guy's abbility to know exactly, if his girl had an orgasm. He was "pro" and I was "con". Eventually he agreed with me that there is no logical determination of it happening or not, and even if a guy is absolutely sure (and actually is right) it is still just an educated guess and in no way factual knowledge.
Another similar example (that we also discussed) was a man's ability to know if his child is really his. Unlike a woman, who certainly is the one to know this for sure, a man can only assume that. Or hope, anyway, LOL
So let's hear other opinions on this subject. If I have to guess, there is probably a good number of men who are sure they can tell... But there will be absolutely no women, who would agree with them.

Kimmie · Oct 21, 2002

Most men can not tell.

If they could they wouldn't ask, "Did you cum?"

As for a kid being his.. I am not even touching that one.

jp1064 · Oct 21, 2002

Let me tell you, when you see her thigh and stomach musles have that uncontrolled quivering, she is having one. No doubt in my mind. You can't fake that!

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

Kimmie.

Kimmie, since you've said "most men", does it mean that there were some men who could? Or did you really mean that most men can't guess it right?

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

jp1064.

How would we know that a woman can't fake that, if she would not tell us? Think about it.

popeye · Oct 21, 2002

my small contribution to this thread...

No offense to anyone, but you can believe what you will. I have had the good fortune of having developed honest relationships with a few lovers in my life. In a few cases I would ask them to show me how to truly please them. The reaction typically was a look of surprise, then one of ‘great I could get into this.’ I’ll tell you this, when a woman has a big “O” it is pretty obvious. However, just like men, the intensity of an “O” can vary depending on a woman’s level of arousal. Just like a healthy guy can shoot like a geyser in one instance, and then dribble the next, the intensity of a woman’s “O” can vary.

Here is the kicker; if a woman is relaxed with you and she is in tune with her body she can definitely control the intensity of the “O”. I had one lover whose “Os” were so intense that she didn’t want to have them too often because she would see stars and get a headache afterwards- but I loved it. In this lover’s case, the way she got off via oral was drastically different from when induced by stimulation by fingers- the latter was more intense. In this case, during the course of our relationship she only got-off with only penis stimulation once, our relationship lasted a year and the half. Unfortunately, she was becoming more comfortable with her body and our relationship towards the end of our relationship, but I had to break it off. And the sex was really getting better towards the end as well but I digress. In another case, during a one-night stand with a married woman (she is a swinger), two-thirds of the bed was soaking wet due to the level of her arousal. During intercourse I could not really tell she was “Oing”. All the signs were different from anything I had ever experienced with the exception of the “leaky faucet syndrome”- that is when a woman is gushing or squirting (I bet the same guys who said you can’t tell when a woman O’s will also say there is no such thing as female ejaculation). But then again I have experienced gushers where the woman never “O’d”. She stated her “Os” were more than she could count, and when hubby came home he was shocked at how wet the bed got. According to her, he apparently was so turned on by this he balled her like a maniac in the soaking bed- to each his own.

The point is, if you can get in tune with a woman’s body you sometimes can tell. Not all the time, but definitely a good number of times. Wetness is definitely a key indicator of level of arousal. Some women twitch uncontrollably, others shiver, for some their vagina becomes a vice grip, and for others they become flush afterwards. But you can tell, and if you can’t it is okay. Just have fun and make the most of the opportunities.

Regards

Pop

no. 6 · Oct 21, 2002

Escorts?

No matter how good the session with an escort, I never believe that they are enjoying the sex or having orgasms. I hope they find it a pleasant, proffessional encounter, but, orgasms, I really doubt it. Both of my ex-wives were pretty honest. When they were in the mood they were extremely expressive. When they weren't, to paraphrase "they just laid there".

Kimmie · Oct 21, 2002

Re: Kimmie.

I mean some do, some dont.

jp1064 · Oct 21, 2002

Re: jp1064.

I don't think you can fake that. I just tried it and damn near broke my pelvis. You'd have to be able to minutely control your leg muscles and I don't think you can voluntarily do it. Give it a try Eugene.

Ever see this in a porn movie. You can definitely tell they are coming.

popeye · Oct 21, 2002

Re: Escorts?

I understand your point, but I have had numerous professional encounters that allow me to disagree with you. And in most instances the women volunteered the information without prompting. One of my favorite encounters was with Sarah at Julie's. I came so hard I was too weak to stand, and she turned to me kissed me and thanked me for the orgasm she recieved. She is multi-orgasmic and other reviewers on the web have experienced her O's as well. However, she did tell me I was special-Joke!!!... Actually, in my experienc a lot of the older Julie's girls do get-off in session. I can't say I had the same experience with the younger ones I had met there.

Pop

betty_snj · Oct 21, 2002

if the man doesn't have his fingers (not one but couple) inside the womans pussy he would not be able to tell if she's faking or not.
Being soaked is not because of a orgasm...is just the natural lube, like a mans pre cum, when one gets aroused.
In my case, I get real wet, but when I cum is thru oral sex, with the right combination of a mans tongue and fingers.
After I started to play with my vibes, I found out how to stimulate my G-spot and I can squirt. Also, I can do it when doing cowgirl with a cock possessing the right bend to rub on me. And when this kind of orgasm starts, there is not end to it because the first triggers few more in a row.
I guess intensity depends on the lenght of the foreplay, in how a man is able to make you hotter by the minute.

popeye · Oct 21, 2002

No offense Betty, but what works for you may not work for others... every woman is the same, yet very different... that is why I said I could not tell the woman came purely from her wetness, until she told me she did. She said they came in waves and was continuous....

Nuff said

Pop

ps--- I reread my post and yours and see we basically agree... sorry, I must be tired... good night...

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

jp1064

You see I did not know that you were a woman, now I trust your opinion more...
Just kidding. Still not convincing.

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

Betty_snj.

You are probably closer to the point of convincing me. So, what you are saying that a man's fingers can feel the involuntary orgasmic convulsions. If you are sure that those convulsions could not be faked, (there are women who have an amazing muscle control down there, I think), then I probably would agree that through that a man can actually feel the female orgasm objectively and therefore know it (not guess) for sure.

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

Still not convincing IMHO.

Except for Betty of course. Noone doubts that females are orgasmic, and that men from time to time can guess correctly that their girl is having one. But there is still no sure way to be objectively sure... Except perhaps as Betty has said, when the man's fingers are inserted there...
As for the wetness factor, obviously some women get extreamly wet (every man had an experience like that) whether they are achieving an orgasm or just having a good time.
I really think this is a very interesting discussion. I wish we have more females giving their opinion. In this case women could be trusted more.

betty_snj · Oct 21, 2002

well...the convulsions starts real strong and then fades away, with the same space of time between them. Is hard to fake that...even with strong muscle control.
Also, when you pull your finger...it should be covered with her cum... not much, creamy white sticky substance, no smells, with a hint of sweetness if you taste it.
One of my favorite positions in to lay down and play with my vibe when the guy is on his knees next to my head, fucking my mouth nice and deep...when I cum I usually ask if he ever saw what a womans cum looks like. Most say no, they never saw it. So, I pull my vibe out and show how it's covered with mine.

Eugene · Oct 21, 2002

Betty_snj.

Come to think of it, I am not sure that I know exactly what a female cum looks like. Not mentioning the fact that your way of the sexual education sounds like a lot of fun. Hopefully you'll teach me one day as well. LOL
So far, seriously speaking, you are the only one who has an idea of how a man can really know and feel the female orgasm.

akshun · Oct 21, 2002

You kinda paraphrased my argument, which is ok, but I want to expand on my point further.

You are right in saying that I conceeded that there is no way to be 100% certain as to what someone else perceives. But, I also stated that if the preponerance of evidence suggests a conclusion, then following Occam's razor principle, we should 'go with the simplest solution (the example I gave before was if you saw a baseball on the ground near a broken window, what would you conclude?).

If she says she has an orgasm and you find physiological responses that support that conclussion (that are controlled by the autonomic nervous system), then it is likely that she had an orgasm.

If you aren't willing to say 'yep, the majority of the evidence supports this conclusion about some phemenon', then how can can you, for example be 100% sure your mom loves you? For me, as I stated on the other thread, I'd rather not try to figure out the percentages. I'd rather just state with conviction that my mom loves me.

For those of you who state you can't ever know anything, get back to me with what percent certainty you think your mom loves you just because she says so. (that stated tongue in cheek, of course, because I'm sure your mom loves you; so don't go bothering her with actuary tables or trying to come up with a function with love as the independent variable that you intergrate over time. Just give her a call).

Later

BigMadM · Oct 21, 2002

Wait a minute.
I thought all the great hobbyists on this board bring every single provider to orgasm every single time.
Thats what every man on this board and women at one time was telling me.

Providers faking orgasm?
Never happen according to all the great UG men.

Keeping it real is a very unpopular place on this board.

akshun · Oct 21, 2002

Re: Betty_snj.

Gene, didn't I say almost the same exact thing in the other thread? During orgasm the pubocoxygeous (sp?) muscles contract. A finger in the sphincter works just as well.

Can a guy really tell?

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