so ya wanna be a sugar daddy?

[BigMadM]

YOure right snooz, I understand.
But if one wants to ensure himself he will get it all, and then some, I find the minimum I can give a girl for the exclusive type of sexual pleasures I desire, is somewhere between 5-7 bucks a week. Ofcourse, this is all fiction, but Im saying if I was writing a script, this is where the number seems to be most acceptable by both parties.
Ive offered alot less, and its sad to say, you get what you pay for.

Snooooz, Im not a drinker, nor do I spend extravagant amounts of money on fine diniing, nor do I have any other expensive hobbies, so I sort of keep every spare nickel I can scrounge up for hobby purposes.

 

[Axe]

BigMAdM:

Well, snooze already mentioned what would be my first comment:

Dude, if you have 2 - 3 grand a MONTH of discretionary income burning a hole in your pocket, then your description of yourself as "not rich" is way off the mark. No offense.

My other comment is that since you seem pissed-off about the 'search time-to-sex time' ratio when it comes to providers, why arent you equally concerned about the cost/benefit ratio when it comes to being a sugardaddy??

Now what I wanted to say was that after reading what you're willing to spend in both hours of your time and money, the kind of services you want, and the terms and conditions you're willing to sign up for, it seems to me that what you really want is a GIRLFRIEND.

Again, no offense, but please tell me precisely what difference there is from what you described and what a GIRLFRIEND is when you subtract out the money you have to cough-up every time you fuck your sugarbaby?

All the problems you describe sound EXACTLY like my male AND female friends who endlessly complain about why they arent meeting anyone they like when I ask them "What was wrong with her/him?"

The ONLY reason I say this is to point out to you just how difficult a mission you've put yourself on. I'm sure the women you've interviewed for this position have picked up on it too, and that probably hasnt helped you.

Now, I totally understand what you want and why you want it, but I'll suggest that you just focus on having fun meeting new women of all kinds and let your 'problem' take care of itself.

 

[Chrome Dome]

Axe says:

Again, no offense, but please tell me precisely what difference there is from what you described and what a GIRLFRIEND is when you subtract out the money you have to cough-up every time you fuck your sugarbaby?


The difference to me is the ability to bitch, moan, and bring drama into your life. Girlfriend can do it, escort can not at that price.

I had a stripper that was giving me 3-4 hours for $200, along with a lot of yak-yak about her life, boyfriend, family, etc... All of sudden she wanted $200/hr (she started looking at CL and decided she should be paid the same) plus gifts. I tried to explain that she would have to make a major attitude change but she would not hear it. Her loss.

 

[elliot16]

BMM,

I think you maybe confusing the terms "Sugar Daddy" and "Someboby Else's Baby's Momma's Daddy".

 

[Bandaid]

Breing a sugar daddy / sugar baby starts out as a commerical transaction - you take care of me, I take care of you - unlike most girlfriends. The basis is clear from day one. It gets clouded later.

I'll bet single moms actually make the best sugar babies - they need the money more and better know when they have a good deal. FWIW, it would actually salve my conscience that maybe I'm helping a kid who needs it.

 

[Escort_King]

I fully appreciate where BMM is coming from... it is a play and is destined to be short lived but there have been a pile of providers I have grabbed on a regular off the agency or bulk time pricing... but the trick as he said is not treating them like whores... then like the stripper they ask for more... treat them as a sugar baby and they are happy... all women are just looking for the right person to look after them... how they perceive the relationship varies woman to woman...

Bottomline is have fun............

 

[Slinky Bender]

I think there is a huge disparity in what poeple here are talking about when they talk about being a "sugar daddy". The classic Sugar Daddy is a guy who rents a girl an appartment and pays her bills and buys her gifts. I think some guys here think a sugar daddy is a guy who sees a girl who works for an agency once a week for 4 hours and pays her only her half and cuts out the agency.

 

[BigMadM]

the difference between a gf and a paid for sb(lite), is so extensive I dont know where to begin nor have the time.

Biggest issue, zero emotional involvement.
I might feel bad and understand her problems, but I dont have to deal with them, or at least to any extent I feel uncomfortable with.
I make a deal, I keep up my end, she keeps up her end.
Noone I know makes a verbal contract with a gf for sexual reasons.
I dont get phone calls ever, from a sbl, other than to just say hi or set a time.
One call, the deal is off.

I cant seperate my humanity when I see her and she had some really shitty day, but at the same time, I went there for a reason, and if Im not gettin any, I leave, as cold as that sounds.

some things in life are just done for the pleasure it gives, and this is one of them.
Im quite sure on the pleasure scale, Im way ahead of my sbl's.
But, they get relief in the form of compensation.whatever that may be.

this stuff isnt brain surgery. I want something, she needs something.
Patience, humanity, even tenderness plays a role, makes the entire buisness end of this all seem a bit lighter, but its a business proposition, I never lose sight of that.

as far as the money end goes, spend what youre comfortable with,

Id like to go on, but I say stupid things when I take a xanax, so Ill sign off now.

 

[BigMadM]

I think there is a huge disparity in what poeple here are talking about when they talk about being a "sugar daddy". The classic Sugar Daddy is a guy who rents a girl an appartment and pays her bills and buys her gifts. I think some guys here think a sugar daddy is a guy who sees a girl who works for an agency once a week for 4 hours and pays her only her half and cuts out the agency.

its easier to pay her and let her pay her own rent. (her own shopping, etc)

the difference is being exclusive.

if sugar daddy lite or sugar daddy doesnt sound right, kept woman or mistress, but its all the same to me.

cutting out an agency is ripping off the agency, I dont recommend that, but I do choose and prefer girls who were in this biz at one point, once they leave some agency or dont advertise anymore, and is not available to the general public on a daily basis. So if you want to call it MY favorite and only whore, thats ok also, sugar baby just makes it sound a little nicer, they all fuck for money, and I dont care who or where she worked for before she decided shed see me only.

 

[justlooking]

I think there is a huge disparity in what poeple here are talking about when they talk about being a "sugar daddy". The classic Sugar Daddy is a guy who rents a girl an appartment and pays her bills and buys her gifts. I think some guys here think a sugar daddy is a guy who sees a girl who works for an agency once a week for 4 hours and pays her only her half and cuts out the agency.

Word.

 

[BigMadM]

ok, awake again, while some may think as a sugar daddy as some jet setter whos renting a park ave penthouse for some model, no, theres no disparity here.
There are all levels and backgrouonds of women who accept money and other gifts as compensation for their willingness to let men use them.

Just because one may judge where a sugarbaby started, like being an escort, doesnt mean shes not a sugarbaby.
Shes not booking a guy who is paying her bills, rent, by the hour.
She is not limiting his time, nor is she putting up a menu like, well, if you want anal sex, thats gonna cost ya.


A sugardaddy comes in all shapes and forms and all income levels.

Here it seems 2-3 grand a month makes someone a wealthy person, and others may say, wow, what a cheap fuck.

In my situation, Id consider myself a sugardaddy at this point, more than a favored john, as slinky is stating that a man books a girl cutting out the middleman.
If that were the case, the girl would most likely still be working in this industry, and only cutting side deals with all her favored clients.

In my case, I dont have to rent an apt for her, she has an apt.
She tells me what bills are due, I tell her how much I can go for her at each point.
Shes happy, cause she accepts it.
I cant be held responsible for debts incurred long before a girl met me, but I can keep up to date on all her bills as long as she continues seeing me, and then some. And gifts, and vacations, and whatever or whereever I might want to have a pretty young thing by my side.

My sugarbabies are not models, not even close.\
They are girls who one sees every day on the streets of all the major cities.
Their needs are not as large as lets say a Graduate student living on 28th st in Manhattan.


AS ALWAYS, I PLAY IN A LEAGUE WHERE I KNOW IM ACCEPTED.

Im not sure, hope my point is a little clearer.

 

[BigMadM]

I think the disparity lies more in the image people have of sugardaddies.

If a man who earns 2 million a year, puts up a model on park ave in a penthouse, gives her an allowance of 10 grand a month, and takes her on vacations to Paris and buys her gifts, yes, I think wed all call him a sugardaddy, even if he was her client if she happenned to be a 1000 dollar an hour escort when she met him.

If a man who earns 60 thousand a year, puts up a minimum wage earnging girl, pays her rent for an apt. in East new york, gives her an allowance of 500 per month, and takes her on trips to the Jersey Shore and buys her gifts, I think we could call him a sugardaddy also, even if he was her client if she happenned to be a 200 dollar an hour escort when she met him.

Wheres the disparity?

(both men being the same age, lets say 55, and the girls say 25)

 

[BigMadM]

the first guy says, hey, you are so beautiful, why do you sell yourself at 1000 bucks an hour to anyone, and she says cause she likes to earn big money to live a glorious lifestyle, and he says, ok, Ill put you up in a penthouse and give you 10 grand a month, and so on.

The second guy, says hey, you are so beautiful, why do you sell yourself at 200 bucks an hour to anyone, and she says cause she likes to earn big money to live a glorious lifestyle(to each their own) and he says ok, Ill pay your rent, Ill pay your bills, and Ill give you 1000 a month for spending money and so on.

 

[BigMadM]

I cant call either of these men bfs, or lovers, cause they are clearly pursuading the female who is half their age, with money, so I think sugardaddy is the correct term.

 

[justlooking]

[Deleted cuz even I get embarrassed by kissing BMM's ass so much in public.]

 

[Bandaid]

I'm not kidding, BMM, have you considered writing a book?

 

[BigMadM]

noone on this board gets more respect than you or Slinky, as far as Im concerned. I want to know if you think my "train" (right word?) of thought on this issue is correct? Am I making wrong comparisons, assumptions?
Please expand on your answer, Im looking for other views.

 

[BigMadM]

my previouis situation, I was driving around bklyn weekly taking my SBL, lets call the deal sugar daddy lite, to shop locally, discount stores, and she was buying clothes and baby formula and an occasional treat for herself, like Id give her 50 bucks for a pedicure and manicure cause she felt like getting one.(yeah, so most guys here say hey, my gf or wife goes weekly to the salon, whats the big fucking deal, well, when youre broke and manage just to make your rent each month, things like manicures and pedicures are luxury items, as stupid as that sounds)

There is no difference in my mind if a girl lives in Bevely Hills and her sdl is taking her shopping on Rodeo drive spendning 800 bucks on a pair of shoes for her. My girl is happy with 60 dollar New Balance sneakers, but this is what she knows, what she understands, and she understands the limits of my willingness to help her achieve certain levels of comfort she feels she wants, afterall, she is giving me wonderful unmatched sex, something Id never get from a 25 y/o as good looking as I think she is.

Im trying here, trying to get my point across.

 

[Axe]

I dont have any problem with the way you 'define' a sugardaddy, BMM. What you said made sense to me.

What I originally wanted to point out was how blurry the lines between what you want and what a girlfriend is actually are. And I think the main reason you may be having trouble finding what you want is because women are more aware of this than men are. For example:

[1] Biggest issue, zero emotional involvement.

You're gonna help her with her kids, her bills, her problems with the landlord, her problems with her car, and - probably because it will be unavoidable - her problems with boyfriends and ex boyfriends, and you expect no emotional involvement?


[2] I might feel bad and understand her problems, but I dont have to deal with them, or at least to any extent I feel uncomfortable with.

See Item 1.


[3] I make a deal, I keep up my end, she keeps up her end.

Same goes for a girlfriend.


[4] Noone I know makes a verbal contract with a gf for sexual reasons.

Depends on your perspective. My last gf and I had very different work schedules. There was no time for anything until Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Coincidentally, those were the days we had sex.


[5] I dont get phone calls ever, from a sbl, other than to just say hi or set a time.

Ok, you got me here.


[6] One call, the deal is off.

Same goes for a girlfriend.


See what I mean?

 

[BigMadM]

so let me get this straight.

You sit down with your girlfriend, and you tell her Im willing to give you x amount of dollars each week, all I expect in return are bjs and you have to swallow, and some anal sex when the mood strikes.
I wont call you at home unless we are setting up a time, and I expect you wont call me unless its related to us seeing each other.

When I had a gf, long before I was married, wed call each other all the time, shoot the shit, talk about our days, our co-workers, our lives, the dogs, the cats, the relatives, what we ate for breakfast, we were infatuated with each other, we loved to be in each others presence, the emotional involvement was heartfelt and genuine. Or at least I thought so, and I made an emotional commitment.

I remember a neighbors kid passed away around 10 years ago. I wasnt really friendly with the people, but just sort of like hi, how are you doing.
It was just so fucking sad, and I was upset, cried, didnt even know the fucking kid, but it was depressing.
I dont have to be emotionally invovled with anyone to be a bit human.
Feelings of concern are just something that although noone here might believe, run through my viens just like feelings of elation, the elation I get when a 22 y/o brightens my world.

Axe, you dont make verbal contracts regarding money for sexual favors with your gf, if you do, maybe you should check to see if she has a website,(kidding), cause I dont think many would think a GF needs to make verbal contracts on money for sex with her adult bf.

I had a gf, even a close female friend or two over the years, I had to let go cause it was emotionally draining, and very difficult to carry on this type of relationship when one is connected to another woman emotionally.
I know, it sounds foolish a monger discussing emotional attachment to any woman, but thats how I feel.