so ya wanna be a sugar daddy?

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Axe

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#61
I think the process of 'shopping around' for a sb could be almost as much fun as having one...if you do it right. And, once you find one, who says you cant still keep 'shopping'??

Anyway, there is a long list of things that can go wrong with a sb - just like with a gf. In one of the chances I had to go sd, it seemed to me the sb was way more interested in the 'sugar' than the 'daddy'. Something to be aware of, FWIW.

Ah, forget it. If my hobbying war chest was as well-padded as BMM's, I'd have one sb to **** my **** and another one to blow it dry. But thats just me.
 
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jras

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#63
BigMadM said:
jras, I tend to think that the girls push and push to see how far we'll bend, but I think its us that eventually say ok, enough is enough, and we know we were getting played, but thats part of the big picture, I only let them play me, or let them think they are playing me in my comfort zone, gives them a sort of feeling of empowerment, they enjoy that. Us paying them sometimes makes them feel inferior, cause we have the money, they have to give up their preciouis bodies, so they push to see how much they can get, its a normal thing.
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most def
I'm pretty sure she liked me in her own way. We smoked lotsa primo hydro, fucked and laughed at pornos together, and I always brought her little presents -- lingerie, clothes, weed, cigarettes. She even kept the silly cards I'd pick up that held the weekly donation -- she was sweet in her own street tough sort of way. But I know she was seething under it all, pissed off at the shitty hand she'd been dealt: 20 yo single mom, dead baby daddy, did a little time herself. Black and beautiful, angry and vulnerable. I miss her sometimes. I just can't take her calls anymore.
 
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BigMadM

Linoleum
#64
#64
wow, I just touched my bare toe to the electric cord, what a zap!

I also find, as Im sure you do after that post, that the lower down the ladder the girls are, as far as economical and just plain hard luck the more anger and resentment they harbor.
pissed off wont just describe it, its more like a time bomb sometimes.
I hear ya, loud and clear, I just went thru it , she wont even speak with me anymore and I did nothing, she just got fed up with the entire world and I was an easy way to take out her frustrations on.
So it was time to move on.

IM going to regret typing this, but Ill just tell it as Ive discovered it.
There is a direct relationship between being at the end of your rope type of desperation, and a willingness to please.
the more desperate I find a girl, the more she is willing to please.
I dont look for girls that desperate, they just seem to gravitate to me, and ofcourse, financially they are a much better deal if you can deal with the drama.
My new girl, although weve just hooked up, is not as desperate or down and out as any other sugarbabies Ive dealt with.
This is more of a make the extra bucks and enjoy life better, not really to have her rent paid I think.
Shes a little backed up on bills, but if she sticks it out, things will be much brighter for her.
I have no clue what tomorrow will bring, especially when dealing with young women.
 
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sean960

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#65
Its simple really....

As I posted in the "Dilemna" thread,the reality is that most of the girls are damaged,either by a past love or whatever...if you deal with them knowing they are out of their minds to begin with,your much better off....If you think the NY girls are flakey,the West Coast ones are far worst !
 
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paulus

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#66
My last UG post was years ago, when I stopped seeing bona fide providers, but of course I have been lurking here intermittently.

Normal commercial sex had lost its appeal to me not because I had entered my sixties and was still married, but because it just didn’t give me what I wanted. I needed a woman who got really exited being with me because for me there is no bigger turn-on than a woman who wants ME.

Girls in their twenties could never meet this requirement of mine and few of them put me on fire. A majority of women of that age simply don’t know how to fuck. You cannot talk to them between or during the action. Young women boooooored me.

The good news is that for more than four years I have now been in a relationship with “Sara” a woman 15 years my junior. It is immaterial whether by some definition it qualifies as a sugar-daddy thing or just to some extent resembles one. What really matters is that it is delightful for both of us.

For you horn dogs who only understand one definition of quality here goes: This lady is the only one with whom I have never managed to get my pants off before I had wood. (FYI I have walked away from more than one provider because of my non-performance.) Sara is super hot, and if we have not been together for a week, in less than two minutes she cums and blows like a geyser like the late TrishAC (RIP).

For those of you who laugh at the idea of a woman aged 50+ please for example check the performance record of HW (age 53) of CT who is consistently in the top three nationwide on ********* - for whatever that is worth. And she charges $1500 for a three hour minimum.

So how did I hit this jackpot? Well, at the tail end of my monger period when I had become fed up with commercial sex, a seasoned provider who had also become a friend of mine introduced me to Sara. She had met Sara in Le Trapeze where Sara went occasionally to make a few bucks as the required companion for gentlemen who wanted to go there and just watch. Not that it makes a difference but reportedly Sara never provided FS to anybody in Le Trapeze.

But seeing all the action in Le Trapeze made Sara unbearably hot. She was also in a financial squeeze because her asshole husband had walked out on her. She was too much for him apparently. My provider friend of course saw a great prospect in Sara and after much effort finally talked her into doing a double with her. But Sara was “just not cut out to be a prostitute” and after the deed was done Sara vomited in the bathroom “in disgust over myself”.

Then one sunny day my escort friend had an epiphany. She realized how horny Sara, who would never make it as an escort, should be matched with horny Paulus, who did not want providers any more.

Our first meeting was a bit ridiculous. The preset rules were we would not have sex unless we both wanted to, and, if we did, I did not have to pay anything unless I insisted.

With a huge understatement let me say that the very first meeting was quite good. At the end of the day I slipped the usual fee into her handbag. Over the next three month we met once or twice a week and I paid her discreetly. The truly seminal event in our relationship occurred one night that even by our standards had been exceptional. Tired in each others arms Sara got more and more uptight and started to cry hysterically repeating over and over “I am just a whore. I am just a whore”. I assured her, somewhat disingenuously, that she was not - after all I had paid her a normal fee. But what really got us on the right tract was the fact that “men always pay women money one way or another”, with a married lady and an escort marking the two extremes of a continuum.

We talked it out on that basis and after some agreement she accepted a monthly stipend sufficient to let her keep the job she loved and still survive financially. The amount is even smaller than what BMM pays, but it is fixed and I have never paid her mortgage or any other bills. She has never asked me to pay anything for her or borrow any money. But every year I do take her to Europe and 3 – 4 times on long week-ends to top resorts. For the sake of completeness the total annual cash spent may run to 15 – 20 K.

The first year I knew Sara I intentionally went back to three or four providers who were the best experiences I had previously had as a john. In all cases my Dick was outraged because ‘why do we spend time on sirloin steak when we can eat ourselves silly on filet mignon?”. Differently put, Sara was just in a different league – for me at least. So I gave up on all the old bull shit about the need for variation.

Do we have an emotionally attachment? Undoubtedly, but the question is irrelevant. Suffice it to say that we are both ecstatic about the relationship because we have found the right balance. We talk on the phone 3-4 times a week and see each other more or less weekly. No *****.

Life is good..
 
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BigMadM

Linoleum
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#72
thank god, cause I tried so many times to hook up with trish, and only once, did we actually have schedules that matched, and although not a 22y/o when I met her , she was by far one of my top 5 Ive ever had.
I wish her nothing but the best forever.
A total sweetheart, top notch service, sweet, it doesnt get much better than she offered.
 
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Axe

#73
#73
Nobody has any idea what they're in for next with women of any age. One minute the sun is shining and there's a rainbow, and the next its hurricane season.

Great post, Paulus.

When you are out socially with Sara, do you introduce her as your gf? I would.
 
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misterrr

#75
#75
Paulus - Big MadM

I thoroughly enjoy reading about your experiences. However, the one common denominator appears to be $$$. It is obvious that each of you have some extra change that you can burn. I'm guessing that the majority of us mongers do not have 1.5K or more per month to burn on mongering in some form or another...MP's, agencies, indys, etc. The bucks in itself certainly help and put you in a better position than most of us whose mongering bucks maybe $600.00 a month give or take a few.

Paulus, the one question I need to ask is that how do you get away with it being married? I mean a trip to Europe, resorts for a few days, etc. I would guess you may explain it to your wife as business. However, if you are retired that would really take some explaining! Is your wife that gullible or naive? (no disprespect meant)

Anyway more power to you and Mig MadM!!
 
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paulus

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Axe said:
Nobody has any idea what they're in for next with women of any age. One minute the sun is shining and there's a rainbow, and the next its hurricane season.

Great post, Paulus.

When you are out socially with Sara, do you introduce her as your gf? I would.
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We have never faced the issue because when we meet new people Sara and I are obviously 'an item' of some sort. But we introduce ourselves by name and answer questions, if asked, about our professional background. What is kind of cute is that people often describe us as an 'obviously happy couple' or even that there is 'something great going on between you two'.
 
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paulus

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Bandaid said:
Paulus, maybe it's because you two are closer than even you think. That's not a bad thing, either.
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That is quite possible; it is whatever it is. And it is great.

The popular idea that it is desirable to keep sex and emotions separate has never made sense to me because they reinforce each other.

My Sara story was written as a UG post. There is certainly much more to this than the physical stuff.
 
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oldmann

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#79
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You raised some intereresting points misterrr! Hey Paulus and Big MadM, how about some answers? Inquiring minds would like to know and learn!



misterrr said:
I thoroughly enjoy reading about your experiences. However, the one common denominator appears to be $$$. It is obvious that each of you have some extra change that you can burn. I'm guessing that the majority of us mongers do not have 1.5K or more per month to burn on mongering in some form or another...MP's, agencies, indys, etc. The bucks in itself certainly help and put you in a better position than most of us whose mongering bucks maybe $600.00 a month give or take a few.

Paulus, the one question I need to ask is that how do you get away with it being married? I mean a trip to Europe, resorts for a few days, etc. I would guess you may explain it to your wife as business. However, if you are retired that would really take some explaining! Is your wife that gullible or naive? (no disprespect meant)

Anyway more power to you and Mig MadM!!
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paulus

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oldmann said:
You raised some intereresting points misterrr! Hey Paulus and Big MadM, how about some answers? Inquiring minds would like to know and learn!
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As a partner in an international organization I travel extensively and the Sara activities 'disappear' easily. But the real point is that at some level my wife most likely knows about the presence of Sara(s) and accepts it because in many non-sexual ways our marriage is good. You cannot embarras your spouse of course, but unspoken agreements sometimes are the very best.

My guess is that BMM is in a similar situation, but he can surely speak for himself.

If you see a provider once a week for one ($300) hour, your annual expenditures will also run you into the $15 - 20 K range.
 
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