Rev of Ms. XXX or 24 hours in the Twilight Zone?

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skelly...

the reason for the "J" is pretty simple and it's been brought up before. some people who i guess haven't been on jag mentioned her name and it got out here on UG. i try to not mention her name for what sould be obvious reasons. sometimes even i slip up.
 
Ozzy - I was just making an observation. I'm well aware of what went on in JAG and your reasons. I was a fringe commentator on this issue on JAG at the time (though obviously under a different handle).

[Edited by SkellyChamp on 07-25-2001 at 08:26 PM]
 
Wow, I just skimmed some of this thread. Has anyone counted how many commandments were broken???

Seriously, even though I am a freedom of expression nut, I think Beth's post should be deleted and she should be banned from the board. Is it just me or is there a trend developing here on UG with LI providers going apesh*t???

Even though I don't care for very many of his posts, I hope CarlM continues to post and doesn't let this bother him. I dislike seeing this sort of thing happen to any john or provider. I suppose it does provide further support for not giving private info to providers (oh, and rent a car next time).

I definitely hope that JC continues to post. UG would be far less interesting without him.

Peace,

WSB
 
Originally posted by Ozzy
skelly...

the reason for the "J" is pretty simple and it's been brought up before. some people who i guess haven't been on jag mentioned her name and it got out here on UG. i try to not mention her name for what sould be obvious reasons. sometimes even i slip up.
I'm really not trying to be argumentative, but the reasons aren't obvious to me. Please enlighten.

--WSB
 
Where did the anger in the thread come from
(re: Beth/Crater)?

Well JC does have a rather clear view of what the dynamic is, although he might be indelicate as I am sure he would admit, and that is money for sex. Those who have the money set the ground rules. Those who have a lot of money use that to get what they want whether it is "better" service, "additional" service, and "discounted" service. The money we have are the strings whereby we attempt to make another person do what we want.

So this allows us to define whom retired ladies see as their "selected" group. The selected group are the clients culled from their large client base who are willing to pay the increased rates they charge when they retire. Please get a grip. This group is not so select. There are many ladies in NJ who charge comparable rates for lesser service than Nicole. So this select group is actually much larger than you'd like to think, after all you would not be able to make up the difference in income no matter how much money you have. But, I suspect (actually I am sure) that the good ones control us to a degree that we don’t even know it. This includes J’s ability to elicit sympathy and retired escort to get paid more for what they provided for less previously.

By admission you have seen the best of the best. I think that the providers who are reading this know, and can attest (though they may not), that it is the skill that they possess to make every booking a special booking. So do not assume that since you have had 12 for 12 (which by itself makes me laugh, do you keep exploded pie charts of services rendered bbbjtc 40% etc) that it was anything in you that made for that winning streak, besides your money.

The toughest meeting, in my opinion is the first one. That is the skill that some escorts have mastered with their chameleon abilities to adapt themselves to the peculiarities of their clients. So the mere fact that you have exclude yourself from the danger of a bad experience implies to me that you wouldn’t know how to deal with a less than ideal situation. You are used to being catered to by an escort who is exceptional in any case, but has also learned you better than you could ever expect. “I’m sorry is something wrong?” is a very good question to ask of the women in your life, whether you pay them or not. I think that everyone has experienced the chilling effect that advances have had when something isn’t right.

Hey, I learned something in this thread. You should act “like a gentlemen for some providers to increase your mileage”. ??? I thought that was a given but perhaps that can shed some light the point in this thread about where the anger may be coming from. You expect the service because you paid your money. As Littleguy has said elsewhere, and you pointed out recently, you’re/he’s going to cum in an escorts mouth if she hasn’t explicitly said not to. Well, let’s face it you said come spend a day with me at my shore house. And you got that. You also got hosed. You were out of your class when you thought that she could be bent to your will by money. Any working provider has had sex with more people under any and all conditions than even the most experienced “hobby-goer”. I am certain that if she were really evil or a rip-of artist she would apologize to you, set up another date and hoses you again. And you would fall for it, because what get you hard faster than a desperate woman that needs your help Phantom? I’m sure you would have been seeing that hobby-odometer turnover with all the extra miles you would have been envisioning.

I also think that it’s special when you can have as friend after spending multiple 24 hr bookings for years. Personally, if I don’t think of her as a friend after meeting one I won’t see her. So we have come to a bit of an inconsistency. 24-hour dates imply, indeed necessitate, that development of the personal relationship. So the fact that just one of these has become your special friend is should be computed in a new average such as 1 for 12. So you must admit that you choose primarily for the service provided and care minimally for the how the provider feels about you. If an escort doesn’t tell me I’m full of shit at least once the first meeting, well…

This isn’t some super GFE I am talking about. All I ask for is for the other person to act like herself so I can be myself. As a matter of fact, the women I see none of them are favorites on any boards. No, this isn’t the dreaded “unobtanium” any of you can be with them for the money (remember that’s the point). It’s because some people have become so enamored of the internet and the information posted in reviews and via email that they want nothing to risk. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. There are many more gems out there that exist unharvested but for the lack of adventure and innate empathy for the escort. Ok, not everyone wants to work that hard for their thrills. The ones that score everytime on the visceral physical sex are easy to find.

Money also shouldn't be a factor in this case because for a guy that spent 20k in one for the most expensive night, it's a drop in the bucket (only for the best of course). Couple that with the fact that the escort normal going rate is 4$ or 12$ and it does not seem that generous. I still believe that Phantom chose her because he thought she was vulnerable and needed the money and would provide that extra special service.

“Maybe sub-consciously it was a gift.” Too funny, you don’t even know how big of an ass you sound like. And if there is any karma you will find out.

J’s age was one of the things you mentioned as a factor for choosing her. No doubt she is a looker, but she isn’t that great. One of the things that almost always make clients choose a younger provider is the hope that will not have been ruined by the business. How many times was that said in JAG about numerous young women. You know, get some while there is still something worthwhile to get. A younger provider is also naïve about the business this is also a plus for many clients. You have 30+years on her backed by the power of the Internet, you’re a sure winner. And you mean to tell me that J is the only one that does the things you like.

If she would have provided you with your basic (mindblowing, after all she is auditioning for the big leagues here) physical service you wouldn’t have cared if she was detached and never have posted this. How bad/good did her service need to be? Bad for the pantheon of 12 providers? Or not up to your lofty standards? Maybe she f-ed your brains out but she just doesn’t measure up.

I am not defending what J did. As a matter of fact whether or not I am defending her really doesn’t matter does it? She probably doesn’t want to read it and I’m not doing it for “mileage”. I don't want her to do anything other than what she has been doing when I see her. And any new customers would have to be a hearty soul after all the negative stuff posted about her. Think about it. The more she gets trashed online the more valuable a customer I become. The princess has never wanted to be rescued. Period. I am hardly a knight in shining armor. Fuck, I pay for sex how cool is that?

I question your motives and actions in choosing her. Be honest and admit it. Of course you ignored history. You did it for exactly the reasons I said, you saw her as pliable to your money and inside info.

Actually, I do give J ringing endorsements. But, your mileage may vary. Haha. But perhaps the ferocity of a good experience and the horror of a bad one are most likely symptomatic of her dislike of us. She really is a transparent person. Good or bad.

Anyway, thanks for the valuable information warning us away from J. And thanks for keeping all your mind-blowing escorts to yourself. Because what really counts is that you are able to tell us about it anyway. All in the spirit of the hobby and ego.

And Phantom, as the most vocal advocate of the formation of the NJ board, you really should be telling us more than war stories. Release some of your knowledge.

I forgot. You don’t have any. You hobby rarely outside the pantheon by your own admission and all the special ones are retired. Any other information you have is heresay, which as we all know passes for the truth online (re: Carl/Beth).

By the way, besides breaking all the commandments (including the OP which precipitated SB going up the mountain to receive them) Beth posted first hand knowledge. Never practice thread deletion. For J or anybody else. The only way people will stop posting out-of-bounds topics will be if it is too painful to go over it. And for what it’s worth, this board wants information freedom, just look at the activity.

Feel free to comment on me or my agenda. I am not the most introspective person and I would welcome some insight. I won’t take it as an attack.
 
i thought beth went way over the line especially considering she wasn't even mentioned. i thought her post was provider/business suicide. you won't get too many new clients with posts like that. at least she knew enough to announce her retirement.


wsb...

the reason for the "J" thing was posted on jag and UG in an earlier thread and since there are so many new members here i think it's best not to post the reason(it would defeat the purpose)....though i think it is pretty obvious why some people out of respect for J's privacy don't post her full name. at least she learned and uses becka and janine on her other ads.

was that enough hints.......
 
I mention Beth because her feelings are more prevalent than the typical webscort would have anyone believe.

And I disagree onthe retirement, she will rise like the Phoenix from the ashes. Someone probably just contacted her thinking about all the extra mileage already...

FWIW, the use of J is self-imposed. It is not a ban like GC'c name was.
 

Carl M

Hanging by a thread
Originally posted by wsb

Even though I don't care for very many of his posts, I hope CarlM continues to post and doesn't let this bother him. I dislike seeing this sort of thing happen to any john or provider. I suppose it does provide further support for not giving private info to providers (oh, and rent a car next time).

I definitely hope that JC continues to post. UG would be far less interesting without him.

Peace,

WSB [/B]
Thanks for your support WSB, coming from you I take this as a high compliment. Come to the next UG Gig out here in the sticks and I'll buy you a beer! I might be beaten and battered, but Im still here!
 
I would just like to thank everybody who posted their thoughts, opinions and comments, whether they be positive or negitive, in this thread or in private emails. I believe it has gotten to the point were no further good can be derived from continued discussion of this matter. There are most likely some of you who will think that I'm just running away, but at times there comes a point when people are so entrenced in their beliefs that no amount of discussion will change their positions. I believe that this thread has reached that point.

Slinky, it would not brother me in the least if you closed this thread.
 
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