Playing BlackJack with retards

[DaiDaiLun]

$300 hand (me)
$25 hand (guy next to you)
What would you do if you have 20, dealer is showing a 6, but the retard next to has 20 too, but he splits his pair of monkeys? The dealer ends up breaking anyways.
But what do you do in this situation?
1) Ask him kindly not to do that again.
2) Give him a $25 chip to go play on another table
3) Teach him not to do it again.
4) Just give him a dirty look.
5) Tell him it was a smart move.
6) Ask him if he's a retard or not.
7) You get up and go to another table.
8) Get him back by splitting your monkeys in the same situation.

 

[aceofclubs26]

That would all depend on what cards he got after the split. If he hit a seven on one and an eight on the other, I'd probably shake his hand!

In all seriousness, I'd probably do #7. Not that it's justified but maybe he was counting and it was one of the extremely rare times where it was ok to split tens. Or he was trying to disguise his counting by playing like an amateur. Either way, it's not worth convincing a person what they did was wrong at a blackjack table no matter what their motive.

 

[DaiDaiLun]

I mention this because when I was at AC last week, a fight almost broke out on my table between this korean guy and this young guy that seem like a beginner. The Korean guy was pretty pissed off because he had like $300 on his hand and the other guy had like $25 and he split his 10s. I personally would never split 10s in any circumstance. Pair of 9s, yes, but a pair 10s? That's almost a sure win (if you luck was so bad that night). The young guy ended up getting a 20 one hand and like a 18 on the other. Any ways, what happen was both guys ended up leaving the table and played elsewhere (or maybe they took business outside).
I personally would get piss to... you're messing around with a lot of other people's money.

 

[justbill_redux]

If I was the 25.00 guy why would I care what was dealt to you. My concern is about maximizing my money not yours and you should move to a different table if another players methods piss you off. I do.

 

[Slinky Bender]

The real answer: it doesn't matter. Guys always get upset about how other guys play like it changes their odds, but it's total BS except in VERY limiited circumstances where a very sophisticated card counter is playing and the deck is heavily in one direction.

How about if the guy hit 5 and 5 andthen the dealer hit a 10 spot and busted? How "dumb" would it be then (vis-avis the other guys at the table).

Why would you think the odds of the dealer getting a high card vs a low card change if the next guy pulls 2 cards off the deck?

 

[aceofclubs26]

I follow basic strategy when I play blackjack. But I don't see how other people at the table get so pissed at a guy who doesn't follow it. You don't know for sure what that next card is going to be. And the guy never gets any credit if he steals the low cards away from the dealer by hitting on his split tens. Shit...if there are four face cards or tens on the table between the two of you, like stated in your example, the chances are slightly better the dealer will hit the low cards he needs.

 

[DaiDaiLun]

If I was the 25.00 guy why would I care what was dealt to you. My concern is about maximizing my money not yours and you should move to a different table if another players methods piss you off. I do.

I agree that it's your money and you do whatever you want. Believe it or not, this might be stupid of me to think/play like this...but you really do try to play the game as a team effort. If you're a guy that always sits or hits on a 16, then stay like that throughout the game, but don't play it different every hand. I honestly believe that it does screw up a shoe. It can be real hot and one player decides to play differently messes up the whole shoe.

 

[DaiDaiLun]

The real answer: it doesn't matter. Guys always get upset about how other guys play like it changes their odds, but it's total BS except in VERY limiited circumstances where a very sophisticated card counter is playing and the deck is heavily in one direction.

How about if the guy hit 5 and 5 andthen the dealer hit a 10 spot and busted? How "dumb" would it be then (vis-avis the other guys at the table).

Why would you think the odds of the dealer getting a high card vs a low card change if the next guy pulls 2 cards off the deck?

The thing is that when the dealer is showing a break hand and you're holding a 20, why would you try to be greedy and ruin it? It's a game of risk, but when the dealer has a 6 and the only card that can beat you is the 5, wouldn't it be a wiser move to take the better odds that the dealer is gonna pull one of the other 9 #s?

 

[Slinky Bender]

But that only affects YOU. My point is not whether it's a good play for you or not, it's that no one else at the table should give a shit because it doesn't affect THEM.

Splitting tens is usually bad, since it decreases your payout odds... in the case of a 6 showing from about +70%EV to about +56% EV. But a real pro who's counting cards will split 10's if the deck it loaded with 10 spots.

 

[JackT]

I was going to start a thread on this.

Slinky is right.... It matters not one bit whether the other players at the table play well or not. Bad players may burn through a shoe slightly faster, but there's no telling whether that's -EV or +EV for you.

I would go with choices 3 or 5, depending on my mood.

 

[DaiDaiLun]

So what you guys believe is that there is no disadvantage to you if you have a bad player on the table? You really don't believe that a bad player can screw up your hand or shoe? I absolutely disagree. Maybe because I hate these type of players so much that I'm very bias to this situation. What makes it worse is that when these guys jump in and out of the shoe. I always believe when the shoe is going well, don't do something stupid to change it. As for that young guy on the table, I'm pretty certain he's not a card counter, otherwise he would have a shit loads of chips.

 

[Slinky Bender]

I was going to start a thread on this.

Slinky is right.... It matters not one bit whether the other players at the table play well or not. Bad players may burn through a shoe slightly faster, but there's no telling whether that's -EV or +EV for you.

I would go with choices 3 or 5, depending on my mood.

And let's say you have a shoe which has tons of low cards and few high cards left. Wouldn't the best thing you could do be invite a whole bunch of these "bad" players to sit with you to burn thru it as quickly as possible?

 

[justme]

I'm unfamiliar with the rules of blackjack. From what I understand you can split a hand if you're dealt two of the same value. At that point you get another card for each.

Can you continue to 'hit' after that or must you stick with the one extra card?

 

[curious]

You can continue to hit, unless you're dealt Aces (in which case it's only one card each).

In most East Coast {AC}casinoes, if you get a third card card (i.e. splitting nines and the next card dealt is another 9) that's the last split you can make.

 

[justme]

There might be some Baysian effects then effecting the distribution of low cards. If the person splits the tens and then gets small cards, he's more likely to take more cards than he would if he hits, say, 8's.

OTOH, even if he effects the odds... it probably won't be by that much. Certainly nothing (easily) calculable.

 

[Ozzy]

Splitting cards is for retards.

I never understood why someone would want to turn one bad hand (split 8's or lower) into two bad hands... or risk turning one good hand (9's and up) into two bad hands.

Greed...............

 

[Ozzy]

And let's say you have a shoe which has tons of low cards and few high cards left. Wouldn't the best thing you could do be invite a whole bunch of these "bad" players to sit with you to burn thru it as quickly as possible?

But where do you find a bunch of retards when you need them.....




Eh... forget I asked.

 

[Ozzy]

$300 hand (me)
$25 hand (guy next to you)
What would you do if you have 20, dealer is showing a 6, but the retard next to has 20 too, but he splits his pair of monkeys? The dealer ends up breaking anyways.
But what do you do in this situation?
1) Ask him kindly not to do that again.
2) Give him a $25 chip to go play on another table
3) Teach him not to do it again.
4) Just give him a dirty look.
5) Tell him it was a smart move.
6) Ask him if he's a retard or not.
7) You get up and go to another table.
8) Get him back by splitting your monkeys in the same situation.

All before the next hand is delt.... First 4, then 6 then 2*.


*Last call depends on how I'm doing at a particular table or how cute the dealer is. If its a dude dealing or I'm running bad luck then change the 2 to 7.

**If by "teaching" him you mean with a smack to the back of his head.... then replace 4, 6 with 3 and refer to * for last option.

1- I wouldn't ask kindly if the dealer pulled a monkey and a four.

8- is moot because he's retarded to begin with.

 

[Ozzy]

I mention this because when I was at AC last week, a fight almost broke out on my table between this korean guy and this young guy that seem like a beginner. The Korean guy was pretty pissed off because he had like $300 on his hand and the other guy had like $25 and he split his 10s.

Take it from me... the absolute worst, nastiest gamblers are Chinese, Koreans etc..... Next to sore losers should be pictures of those countries.

Well..... and France too.

 

[Ozzy]

I should add that Bender is right and it doesn't matter what the retard next to you is doing... but if the dealer starts with a 6 and beats your 20 because some idiot had to split 10's.... I'd be looking for someone to smack. The dealer is off limits so the retard next to me is the next best option.