East Village ASSCon - why not?

[VV]

Look... I like off premises sex. If I don't even like VIP's in champagne rooms at places like Scores and Goldfingers. I'm certainly not going to enjoy them at ass-con. Nor will I enjoy being blown in front of a half dozen of my friends and god knows how many Utopia posters. A quiet room with some music maybe some alchohol and porn on the TV..... That's what I like. That's what I like and that's what I'll request. If I don't use the number then I don't use it. Maybe I save them for a rainy day, maybe I throw them out as soon as I'm out the door. Why do you care? Why should anyone care. That's what I like and that's usually what I get if I want it.

No one has ever turned me down for an off site meeting at any Big D, Bossman or ass-con (when I've asked). I get very few rejections when I go to more mainstream clubs… so why would ass-con be any different if not easier and cheaper since these girls are already turning tricks and for less $’s. I said it exactly as I meant it. Every single time. A girl not returning in time with a business card before I walk out the door is not a rejection. Certainly not after I've tipped her double or triple what she expected. Just a little somthin somthin to open her eyes so she knows what she could be in for if we meet off premises. I don't need to make those kind of offers or generous tips all the time.. only when I feel it’s required to close the deal. I don’t think it’s such an accomplishment to do get an A-C girl or Big D girls number. I think it’s almost automatic. If you show the least it of interest in meeting them elsewhere they almost always make the offer themselves. I said every single time... and I meant every single time. I can't understand why you would think that a prostitute wouldn't rather give me her number or agency number and bang just me for a few hours, instead of hustling, sucking and fucking several guys for the same money. If it's hard for you to fathom that simple concept... then maybe you don't have the grasp of this business that you think you do.

You could also sit here all day and night and quote me to your hearts delight. And you can sit here and debate what does or doesn't work for me or whether or not my numbers are .05% off. I cold care less because I know what I know and that's all that matters to me. And while you're at it, pat yourself on the back because you’re the first person I've come across in 5 years that I absolutely refuse to enter in to flame wars or discussion with. That's all, no hard feelings...... It's just that I'd rather bang my head against the wall for a week than discuss anything with you. I would think that after a few hundred thousand hits in the right spot… that the wall might eventually weaken and cave in. Eventually I’d win. It’s not that you’re that good that makes me quit and walk away… it’s just that you have no point to make…. And I have none to prove.

 

[nuthin]

Originally posted by VV
Look... I like off premises sex. If I don't even like VIP's in champagne rooms at places like Scores and Goldfingers. I'm certainly not going to enjoy them at ass-con. Nor will I enjoy being blown in front of a half dozen of my friends and god knows how many Utopia posters. A quiet room with some music maybe some alchohol and porn on the TV..... That's what I like. That's what I like and that's what I'll request. If I don't use the number then I don't use it. Maybe I save them for a rainy day, maybe I throw them out as soon as I'm out the door. Why do you care? Why should anyone care. That's what I like and that's usually what I get if I want it.

Congratulations. But there's no need to defend yourself in this, since nobody was questioning your right to like what you like, dislike what you dislike, do what you wanna do or not do what you don't wanna do. Good luck, godspeed, bon voyage, may the force be with you...But what does any of that have to do with what we've just been talking about?

What we've been talking about is pimps. And what percentage of black girls at ASSCons might be pimped. And then you expanded that to claims about how many "booty girls" at underground events in general that you've attended have been pimped.

Now you're launching into an exposition of your track record & preferences. Can the Benitez trade be far behind?

No one has ever turned me down for an off site meeting at any Big D, Bossman or ass-con (when I've asked).

Then again, depends who you ask.

I get very few rejections when I go to more mainstream clubs… so why would ass-con be any different if not easier and cheaper since these girls are already turning tricks and for less $’s.

Well, ASSCon also includes a few girls from mainstream clubs who don't VIP in the clubs, but just offer LDs, so that's why it could be different.

But why are you even talking about all this? The topic wasn't your track record or preferences. The topic was what percentage of black girls at ASSCons (& then expanded to underground) are pimped.

I said it exactly as I meant it. Every single time. A girl not returning in time with a business card before I walk out the door is not a rejection. Certainly not after I've tipped her double or triple what she expected. Just a little somthin somthin to open her eyes so she knows what she could be in for if we meet off premises. I don't need to make those kind of offers or generous tips all the time.. only when I feel it’s required to close the deal.

I can only report what I remember you telling me at the time, & I was sitting right next to you in the club.

But I don't care what happened in that case. If she really went for a business card or whatever, fine. The only point (as I said in my previous post) was to use that example to illustrate a point about pimping, not your underground adventures.

And the "every single time" I was referring to was not about the percentage of girls who agree to see you in a short stay, it was about the percentage you claimed asked you to talk to their pimps or gave you an "agency card" when the subject of off-site came up. And THAT "every single time" has seemed to decline to one half of one third of "most" of the times that's happened.

 

[nuthin]

(cont'd)

I don’t think it’s such an accomplishment to do get an A-C girl or Big D girls number.

Neither do I.

I think it’s almost automatic.

Not with some.

If you show the least it of interest in meeting them elsewhere they almost always make the offer themselves. I said every single time... and I meant every single time. I can't understand why you would think that a prostitute wouldn't rather give me her number or agency number and bang just me for a few hours, instead of hustling, sucking and fucking several guys for the same money.

Well, don't wanna rock your world, but the question of safety could conceivably be a tiny part of it. Not all these girls are full-time pros. A few of them might not be even part-time pros. So if the girl doesn't have a one-size-fits-all policy, she could be more selective in who she does & doesn't give her number to. And the key is usually whether she feels she knows you well enuf to feel comfortable to be alone with you in a hotel room.

There's one girl specifically I remember from a mainstream club who was trying to hustle me (in a nice way) for an off-site gig from the moment I encountered her. Yet, she wouldn't give her number to a perv who's legendary for getting numbers when he asked. Why? Cause she didn't know him at all.

If it's hard for you to fathom that simple concept... then maybe you don't have the grasp of this business that you think you do.

I'm not trying to get a grasp of this business. At these parties, I'm more concerned with the girls getting a grasp of my business.

You could also sit here all day and night and quote me to your hearts delight. And you can sit here and debate what does or doesn't work for me or whether or not my numbers are .05% off. I cold care less because I know what I know and that's all that matters to me. And while you're at it, pat yourself on the back because you’re the first person I've come across in 5 years that I absolutely refuse to enter in to flame wars or discussion with. That's all, no hard feelings......

Yes, I can see from your post discussing all these things & the 35 other posts of yours that went before it how much you refuse to discuss anything with me. Are you sure there's enuf time in your schedule to not have all these discussions?

It's just that I'd rather bang my head against the wall for a week

Judging from your posts, I assumed you'd already been doing this.

than discuss anything with you. I would think that after a few hundred thousand hits in the right spot… that the wall might eventually weaken and cave in. Eventually I’d win.

I defer entirely to your expertise in this area. I have no doubt you've defeated many a wall in your day.

It’s not that you’re that good that makes me quit and walk away… it’s just that you have no point to make…. And I have none to prove.

Yeah, that's what they all say--before they go on & on trying to prove what they don't have to prove.

But, as I think I've mentioned elsewhere, I have no desire to enter into a flame war with you either. I can't say I know you well, but to the extent that I do, I like you, & I have no desire to enter into flame wars with folks I like. That's no fun for me at all.

 

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[busted]

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Originally posted by nycstripclubs
Parking is available a few short blocks away at the garage at Houston St. and Avenue A.

There is also meter parking available on the Avenues which ends at 7pm. If you get there just before 6pm, you can usually easily find parking for the rest of the night for a dollar in quarters.

Thanks for the info - I guess, indirectly, this is the info both Kimmie and I were looking for.

 

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[justlooking]

I hate to put myself in the middle of this, but my estimate was that 70% of the UNDERGROUND girls (as opposed to "mainstream" girls) at ASSCon were pimped out.

 

[Thorn]

You know, I missed that distinction in your original post.

Sorry, my bad.

Taking into account only girls that could be defined as "underground", then yes... somewhere in the area of 70% is probably accurate.

 

[justlooking]

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If the economy is preventing you from going to ASSCon, then what among the things discussed on this board DO you do?

 

[Waist Product]

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[nuthin]

Originally posted by justlooking
I hate to put myself in the middle of this, but my estimate was that 70% of the UNDERGROUND girls (as opposed to "mainstream" girls) at ASSCon were pimped out.

Isn't that a distinction without a difference?

How many non-black "underground" girls do you run into at ASSCons? Off hand I can think of a few--VERY few--from F/Stop/Studio5, & I don't even SEE them at ASSCons anymore!

The "underground" girls at ASSCons--i.e., girls from other underground clubs & events--are virtually all black girls, as far as I can tell. Which kinda makes sense, since mosta the underground clubs & events I'm familiar with are virtually all black girls as well.

 

[nycstripclubs]

The next party is

Wednesday, July 23, 2003 @ 6pm.

At the NEW LOCATION.

Please come through to show your support so we can keep using this spot.

CYA there.

The Champagne of Private Parties
“If it's better than this...you must be dreaming."

 

[justlooking]

Originally posted by nuthin
Isn't that a distinction without a difference?

How many non-black "underground" girls do you run into at ASSCons? Off hand I can think of a few--VERY few--from F/Stop/Studio5, & I don't even SEE them at ASSCons anymore!

The "underground" girls at ASSCons--i.e., girls from other underground clubs & events--are virtually all black girls, as far as I can tell. Which kinda makes sense, since mosta the underground clubs & events I'm familiar with are virtually all black girls as well.

In a way, absolutely -- but also not. Sure, the "underground" girls are overwhelmingly black or of color; in fact, that was sort of the main point of my regretable "racism" discussion. But there ARE some "mainstream" girls of color, too, and they're not included in my estimate.

 

[nuthin]

Originally posted by justlooking
In a way, absolutely -- but also not. Sure, the "underground" girls are overwhelmingly black or of color; in fact, that was sort of the main point of my regretable "racism" discussion. But there ARE some "mainstream" girls of color, too, and they're not included in my estimate.

But if you take it that way, it still boils down to the same egg:

How many black girls at ASSCons are "mainstream"? As far as I can tell, the number is pretty close to, & possibly exactly, ZERO.

I remember encountering the relatively rare "mainstream" black girl occasionally at the old location. I remember one GORGEOUS one (or at least her tits were gorgeous) from a high-end midtown mainstream club. She came to a grand total of one ASSCon & never returned. Ditto a pretty cute black girl from Beamers of all places who wouldn't go near the VIP room. One & out for her too. Those were pretty early ASSCons, btw, in fact at least one of those was when the parties were only held monthly.

I do remember one black girl at one of the last ASSCons at the old location who was from some mainstream club (& also didn't VIP, as it turns out) who I also never saw again.

If there are any significant number of black girls at the new location who don't do underground, I don't know who they are. I know one who mighta started solely in a low-end mainstream club, but she's definitely doing at least one other underground place now. Sinful 7 might not do underground, I don't know her background & can't speak for her. There's one or two black girls I've met that seemed to be brought along by other underground girls that possibly might not be doing other underground events, but I wouldn't tend to bet the farm on it.

OTOH, how many "WOC" who aren't "black" (meaning primarily of African American descent) ARE "underground" at ASSCons? I can't think of many of those either. If there are any "underground" Asians there, I'm not aware of them. Same with Latinas--in fact, I'm not sure I can remember a helluva lotta Latinas at ASSCons. There were a few "underground" white Latinas at early ASSCons, but I don't remember seeing them in a long time.

There are a number of non-Latina "white" girls who work "mainstream" clubs that offer everything an underground party offers (tho usually at higher prices), but I don't recall seing them at any other underground events & in fact, I don't tend to see such girls generally at underground events. I think their "alternate" venues probably tend to be more incall or Hunts Point or wherever, but for some reason rarely the underground events that I've seen.

Bottom line: at ASSCons these days, as far as I can tell, when you're talking "black girl" you're talking "underground", when you're talking "white girl" or "other WOC" you're talking either "mainstream" (meaning "non-underground") or some other venue altogether, like incall.

BTW, I'm not in the least suggesting there's any deliberate attempt to create or encourage this "divide", it's just the way it seems to shake out. So, unless I'm wrong in my perceptions (which is certainly possible), the very few exceptions are not gonna really materially affect the percentages involved, & to speak of the percentage of ASSCon "underground" girls pimped out as opposed to the percentage of ASSCon "black" girls pimped out is to pretty much make a distinction without a difference, IMO.

 

[justlooking]

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[nuthin]

Originally posted by justlooking
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Since when has "necessary" been a prerequisite for posting?

Certainly never for me, obviously...

 

[nycstripclubs]

Originally posted by nuthin
Bottom line: at ASSCons these days, as far as I can tell, when you're talking "black girl" you're talking "underground", when you're talking "white girl" or "other WOC" you're talking either "mainstream" (meaning "non-underground") or some other venue altogether, like incall.

There are a bunch of black dancers who currently attend the parties that are from mainstream clubs like Carousel & Taste of Honey.

There are a few white dancers who are from the underground, off the top of my head Kayla is an example of such.

There are a bunch of Latinas who are from both.

I'll agree that the majority of underground dancers are WOC, but I disagree that the majority of mainstream dancers are white.

 

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[nuthin]

Originally posted by nycstripclubs
There are a bunch of black dancers who currently attend the parties that are from mainstream clubs like Carousel & Taste of Honey.

Maybe--but remember, I'm talking about these days at ASSCon, & I'm not noticing a helluva lot of them at the ASSCons these days. I could be wrong, tho, since I don't take polls or surveys there, but generally I'm not running across black dancers at ASSCon these days who I'm aware work mainstream clubs only & not underground. But it's certainly possible there are more of them there than I'm aware of.

Generally, at least some black dancers who tend to work at least some of the "edgy" mainstream clubs also tend to work underground events. I remember in the past seeing quite a few girls from clubs like Passion & Dumbartons, for example, at underground events & clubs. In fact, those same girls when they work "mainstream" are often good sources of information about underground events.

For the purposes of this discussion, I think the idea of a "mainstream" dancer is one who only works mainstream clubs (except for ASSCons) & not both mainstream & underground. All I can say is I'm not aware these days of a lot of such "mainstream" black girls at ASSCon, tho whether they're there & coming in under my "radar" is a legitimate question.

I do remember seeing a number of such girls in the past--& btw, there was one really GORGEOUS black girl from a mainstream club there tonight. There were also a few other black girls I hadn't seen before, so where they were from I have no idea.

There are a few white dancers who are from the underground, off the top of my head Kayla is an example of such.

I'd be hard-pressed to think of another who's around these days who came to ASSCon from the underground. There were a few in the past, but they haven't been around in a while, as far as I'm aware.

There are a bunch of Latinas who are from both.

There don't seem to be a "bunch" of Latinas from anywhere at ASSCon these days. Used to be some, but lately it seems like I'm only seeing one or two at the parties.

I'll agree that the majority of underground dancers are WOC, but I disagree that the majority of mainstream dancers are white.

Well, it's sorta a straw man you're disagreeing with, since my contention wasn't that the majority of mainstream girls are white, but that the overwhelming majority are non-black. As I said in the quote you cited, IMO when you think "black girl" at ASSCon you think "underground" & when you think "white girl" or other (i.e., non-black) "WOC", you think either "mainstream" or some other venue such as incall.

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying this is the way things are intended or designed, I think it's just the way they seem to shake out, & I think also they apply more to these days, rather than to maybe 2 or 3 months ago, when I think there was more of a black "mainstream" representation than seems to me to be the case these days. And again, since I'm not interrogating dancers or collecting resumes, it's possible my perceptions are wrong. But that's the way things seem to me.

Not that I see any of this as of earth-shattering import anyway, it's largely nit-picking, but it's what we were talking about.

The important thing IMO is that overall dancer quality still seems to be excellent & that new dancers--some of them extremely interesting--keep entering the mix regularly, so there's almost always something new every Wednesday in addition to the more familiar faces. That makes for a very interesting & exciting atmosphere, IMO.

I know I had a lotta fun tonight.

 

[justme]

Re: Re: parties with lots of men? no way

Originally posted by Justin Thyme
But with these guys, shit... they're PERVS by definition! And hey, it's not like we do two-on-one laps or two-on-one VIP, or *anything* like that. When I'm with a girl, it's just me and her. Except, like I said, when we're just at the bar bullshitting, and then it just becomes a fun thing to talk with a girl while you're bullshitting with your friend.

I must be the perv's perv, because I'm almost as uncomfortable doing my commercial sex thing in front of pervs as I am in front of civilians.

It's, like, too humiliating to actually have a witness that isn't being paid to be nice to me.