Avoid like the plague!

[justme]

Now that everyone's friends again, I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that a john should just roll over and pay regardless of the level of service given. If I go in for a teeth cleaning and the dentist sprays me with a water pick for a couple of seconds, tosses me a tic-tac, and escorts me to the clerk and a waiting $100.00 charge I'm fairly certain that I'd refuse to pay. Why would it be any different with commercial sex? The premise here is that someone has been cheated. Charisma acted a little more than a crook, and anyone in business will tell you that if you play by the rules with a crook, you'll lose every single time.

I'm also a little puzzled as to why a providor would want to defend the kind of behavior exhibited. If a prospect comes to me with horror stories about our competitors, I simply comiserate with them, point out the differences in our service, and hand them our referral list to see that bad service is not inherent to our industry. But ultimately, it pisses me off when competitors act in an unethical manner because it soils my industry in the marketplace and makes it that much harder for me to close deals.

I do understand why a providor would recoil at daro's words. Daro, I get what you're looking to do, but how many times has your delivery stepped all over your message, man? If you are constantly having to defend valid points because of the way you make them, then I think it's a good idea to rethink your technique.

 

[jp1064]

JM, why don't we let this thread just die out. Now that's everyone's relatively calm, why stir it up again. I understand everyone's concern about bad service, but this thread took too many tangents in the wrong direction.

 

[justme]

I dunno, JP, maybe because I figure that I can engage in dialog with most of the people who posted to this thread in a civil, polite way?

There's real issues that exist in this thread that unfortunately got stepped on by a stupid, avoidable flame war. Refusing to discuss the real issues to me defeats the entire purpose of Utopia Guide.

Despite rumours to the contrary, SB and Allen didn't set this place up as a place to trade fluffballs with prostitutes.

 

[jp1064]

I get your drift. You are correct.

 

[JackT]

Originally posted by justme
I dunno, JP, maybe because I figure that I can engage in dialog with most of the people who posted to this thread in a civil, polite way?

There's real issues that exist in this thread that unfortunately got stepped on by a stupid, avoidable flame war. Refusing to discuss the real issues to me defeats the entire purpose of Utopia Guide.

Despite rumours to the contrary, SB and Allen didn't set this place up as a place to trade fluffballs with prostitutes.

All good points, but there is something to be said about picking the appropriate time and place. After all, this thread has been relegated to the "Coliseum" section UG, where flamewars and fluffballs are the soup du jour. Perhaps starting a NEW thread in the appropriate location that re-raises these important issues in a civil, polite way is something worth considering??

 

[daro]

Justme, thanks for the compliment and the advice.
Will work on the technique, to get the point across in better
fashion. I agree with you that there was a real issue that needed to be discussed. I know we have our boys club mentality, but
that doesn't stop us from ripping a guy, if we think he was wrong.
The ladies that post here, have their own blue wall, and they
protect their own. It's their choice. It may be right or wrong, but
it's their choice. I, like you, don't agree with it. All you're doing is
endorsing that type of behavior by a fellow provider, and saying
you play you pay. I know, I could never see any of the women,
who would condone what she did. IMHO.
You're right about people conducting business in an unethical
manner. It filters down and has a negative effect on all people
in that business.

 

[justme]

Originally posted by JackT
All good points, but there is something to be said about picking the appropriate time and place.

I'm sorry, my Emily Post doesn't have the appendix on appropriate conditions for discussing such prostitution related issues.

(I'm too fucking lazy to start another thread)

 

[greekgirlinnj]

Originally posted by justme
I dunno, JP, maybe because I figure that I can engage in dialog with most of the people who posted to this thread in a civil, polite way?

There's real issues that exist in this thread that unfortunately got stepped on by a stupid, avoidable flame war. Refusing to discuss the real issues to me defeats the entire purpose of Utopia Guide.

Despite rumours to the contrary, SB and Allen didn't set this place up as a place to trade fluffballs with prostitutes.

ok maybe its early in the am but what the hell is a fluffball and do u mix it with peanut butter

 

[billyS]

A fluffball is when a guy says only nice things about a provider 'cause he is freinds or wants to be freinds with her. He figures he might see her again and hopes if he gives her a positive reveiw and leaves out the stuff he didn't like he will get a better session next time. Watch the reveiws when you cum to LI next week. Most will be non-descript, she is a nice person type. Not that your not, but since you post alot, guys will be less likely to give a negative reveiw. The one guy I know not guilty of this is Komrider and he got killed for it once. Don't take this wrong GG, I'm not judging you, but just trying to give you an example of a fluffball.

 

[jp1064]

I'm one of your major fluffball throwers on this board. But to be honest with you Billy, I truly liked and respect the providers I have met here at UG and the others who are not on this board, and I'm not afraid to say it to everyone publicly. I think the forming of a good relationship helps improve any sessions the two of us may have in the future. That is not to say I won't post negatively about a subject if I feel like it, but I'm not going to slam a provider online to other people if I didn't like something about her, if she's on UG or not, I'm not that vindictive. Not out to possibly ruin someone's way of making a living or influence other guy's opinion of someone. I just don't post then.

I would like to consider my experiences personal ones rather then business ones (even though they are). And yes, I too have been ripped off by a couple of providers in terms of service (in Dallas), and I knew that they had bad reviews before I met them, but I chalk it up to something that happens sometimes in this business and move the hell on.

And you may call me an asshole like before, but I get a lot of "quality" sessions.

 

[greekgirlinnj]

Originally posted by billyS
A fluffball is when a guy says only nice things about a provider 'cause he is freinds or wants to be freinds with her. He figures he might see her again and hopes if he gives her a positive reveiw and leaves out the stuff he didn't like he will get a better session next time. Watch the reveiws when you cum to LI next week. Most will be non-descript, she is a nice person type. Not that your not, but since you post alot, guys will be less likely to give a negative reveiw. The one guy I know not guilty of this is Komrider and he got killed for it once. Don't take this wrong GG, I'm not judging you, but just trying to give you an example of a fluffball.

see this is what i dont get..why cant people be honest..im not for everyone no provider is..actually im hoping noone says to much

 

[jp1064]

Originally posted by greekgirlinnj



see this is what i dont get..why cant people be honest..im not for everyone no provider is..actually im hoping noone says to much

Dee, why would you WANT to go to LI after a comment like "most will be non-descript"? What does that mean?

 

[greekgirlinnj]

because i did make appts and after numerous requests hell i dont care if those li boys call me whatever my regular clients and some ugers keep coming back so if i make new clients great if not its ok too im not for everyone

 

[imaginess]

I am sure that the majority of UG'ers, including myself, would never resort to violence in the situation that was presented. Nor would we try to scam or ask for some of the money back. Most would just chalk it up to a bad, experience. We would scream to the high heavens, so every one would be wary of using said provider. And we certainly would not make plans for a repeat visit.

But there will come the day, when a provider such as this, will run into an individual who is not quite as civil as the rest of us, and she will have hell to pay for it.

 

[greekgirlinnj]

i have to say thats a chance providers take especially when seeing new clients....but i think well at least for me u can tell if a client didnt have a good time..and i have to say most have been honest..i had one that didnt seem to enjoy himself because he was to nervous (first time hobbyist) and i knocked half off which he refused to let me do but i guess that circumstance was a little different
imho

 

[jaydevice]

don't believe this self-serving trick point has been made...

For purposes of self protection, it seems unwise to make any public inference of violence, serious or not, towards a woman in an illegal biz where violence is not uncommon. Why make yourself a suspect on the off chance that something was to happen to this woman?

Digital is forever, it's always backed up somewhere, I try to always keep that in mind when posting.

 

[charisma]

reply to all

Originally posted by daro


I know this doesn't help. But was the money still on the dresser
when you were done. Or when she went running into the other
room to clean up, was the money accessible to you.
It would take big balls on your part to do it. But one of these days
somebody has to step up to the plate and knock one of these cunts out of the ballpark. IMHO.

i have no clue about what this guy is talking about ,my cloths always come off ,i have always been straight up front with clients ,i do fs ,the only thing i dont do is watch a clock ,andi dont hurry i dont do no greek! sometimes i french kiss but that all depends on the person ,ive never jrked a guy off its totally not me and some guys will like me and some wont ,we all cant make everyone happy ,i do very well in longisland with no complaints about me

 

[charisma]

MG GETTING RIPPED OFF!

Originally posted by Flounder
Wow, this thread deserves to be here!

I think Mg got ripped off and we needed to hear about it. She'll definitely be hurt for doing this.

YEAH TAKE IT TO PLUNGE ! ILL BE HURT FOR DOING THIS ,I DID NOTHING TO THIS GUY EXCEPT GIVING HIMA FULL HR AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS SO BEFORE U START RUNNING UR MOUTH GET UR STORY STARIGHT !I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH BULL CRAP! GET STORY STRAIGHT MRG!IF U LOOKON UTOPIAGUIDE.COM ULL SEE ALL I DO ,LEAVING MY PANTIES ON ,AND NOT DOING FULLSERVICE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER PROVIDER U SAW ,NEVER ,NEVER I ALWAYS DO FS AND BBJ WITH OUT THE HANDS I DONT NEED HANDS FOR GIVING ONE OF THE BEST BJ,S AROUND ,UR ONLY 1 CLIENT ,MEANWHILE I STILL HAVE MY REGS AND NEW PEOPLE AND ALOT DONT BELIEVE IN THIS CRAP UR SAYING ABOUT ME ,MAYBE U JUST DONT LIKE MY LOOKS OR BODY BUT FOR U INFO I DONT DO DRUGS! NOR DO I DRINK ON MY DATES UNLESS SOMEONE BRINGS CHAMPAGNE FOR ME !CHARISMA

 

[pswope]

This case will referred to Judge Crater, as Special Master to make a finding of facts b4 the Ct of Public Opinion issues a ruling.



(and SS requests that there be no shouting)

 

[kramer]

YO-YO-MA