Ezrlove, “I am about to state my opinion and I think a lot of people are not going to like it.”
EZ, Is it okay if I call you by your first 2 characters ? Anyway, the operative word here is “opinion”. We should, not that we always do, but we should understand without you having to state it, that it is your OPINION. That usually doesn’t make it right nor wrong. I’m getting a bit senile, not that my memory was EVER very good to begin with but my general impression is that the normal tone of discussion here is rather tame and respectful, by both providers and hobbyists. I don’t come here all that often and I’ve read some of Val’s posts (of disappointment and saying “Goodbye”) but I didn’t see, and I probably won’t bother to look for, the ones that prompted the reaction. Maybe I've been lurking on TBD too much lately.
In any case, my impression of the general atmosphere here, to this point, is one of overall honest discussion between the 2 camps. Ladies and gentlemen sometimes overreact a bit and post an angry response before they’ve thought about what the poster was really trying to say. As in other parts of our lives, that happens. We need to think before we write. First try walking in the other persons moccasins before replying to something that angers you.
“I have never read so many inconsiderate posts on a board”. You’ve GOT to be kidding. You’re on TBD. I’ve seen you there. You think UG is as bad as TBD. Wow !!!
TnotS,
I think you’re right to some degree. I am beginning to understand after talking to some of the ladies personally that they each have their “horror” stories of bad encounters, from guys “taking advantage” to guys not being very clean, to guys that would physically try (and sometimes, unfortunately succeed) in abusing them. As somebody already mentioned there are segments of our society that act that way all the time. I don’t think these things should ever happen to a lady but as a matter of percentages I get the feeling that these bad encounters are (at least I hope) less frequent than the percentage in the world outside of ours. I know I stated that badly but you know what I mean.
HDB, You are right on the money, as usual.
GC You may be surprised how few ladies want flowers and romance from you (us) guys. If you had your “Oak Room” you might find it a lonely place. OTOH, maybe I’d be surprised. I’ve been wrong before. I’m sure I will be again. I don’t think you guys are giving the ladies enough credit. I think you’re being condescending to them and inferring they can’t take a (mostly) thoughtful discourse with differing points of view. Most of them are MUCH tougher than you appear to give them credit for.
Saint Bart (Love that handle), You’ve GOT to be kidding. “without the present day ladies, there would be no hobby “ Give yourself (and all of us) some credit. Without US there would be no hobby either. “I don't know what it was like 10 or 15 years ago, but I have to believe the quality -beauty, intelligence, etc - of provider is 10X or 100X better today” If you DON’T KNOW, why would you assume such a thing ? I don’t care to start the thread but I’d be willing to bet there are a few guys here that might have a different opinion.
“Sure, I'd like to see every gynocological detail in every review, but it's not fair to the ladies. They have to have their own options to make the business pleasurable for themselves. So, I'd rather see less detail and more "color" to the reviews and total experience. I can read between the lines, and with the right lady I don't have to check off every aspect that I need for GFE to have a good, or even a great, time!”
While I cringe a bit at the “gynecological detail” phrasing, it’s relatively accurate anyway. On a percentage basis I believe there are far more rip-offs of hobbyists than there are of the ladies. At least that’s been my observation. Take one look at the “cash and dash” operations. Phoenix jumps immediately to mind. Right Dave ? Also, you apparently have much more “discretionary” income than many of us (clearly far more than myself) and perhaps you can afford to “write off” some bad experiences more easily than many of us. I make a pretty decent living, but still have to watch my money a bit. I’m SURE there are many gentlemen here that have to be MORE careful than I do. So should we all adhere to your standards or just go away and find an “economy johns” board .Let’s face it, while all guys are there for the same “end result(s-grin!)", most of us are also there for very specific activities also. At the hourly rate we are paying, I need as much knowledge as possible to spend my money wisely. Now don’t get me wrong. I have “taken one for the team” on a fair number of occasions. I also thoroughly read reviews and try to read between the lines also. But it’s too easy to make mistakes that way. As far as having their “own options” that falls into the YMMV caveat, which I, for one, ALWAYS remember. Just because YOU got something doesn’t mean I will. OTOH, and I’ve told you this before, If I KNOW you received a particular activity, I know it is USUALLY also available to me providing I am freshly showered and respectful to the lady, which, BTW, I ALWAYS am. Having said all of that I should also tell you that I AGREE it’s the TOTAL experience that counts. I’ve had sessions with ladies that didn’t do either of the top 2 on my personal list that had been GREAT. I’ve also had sessions with ladies that do absolutely EVERYTHING I like that have not been among my favorites. However, both those examples are EXCEPTIONS, not the rule. Which is, of course, why I want as many details as are available.
JM, “Wondering what all the fuss is (about)” Me too.
GC. “Reading between the lines” is a recipe for disaster, in anything. That’s just MY opinion, of course.
BTW, What’s a “functionalist” ? “Wholistic approach “ ???
JM, Right again.
SB, Well stated, as usual (Boy, it’s not so bad kissing the APM’s butt)
JM and TC, Will you guys try to get some sleep for God’s sake ? How about if I promise to try to actually get some work done ? Deal ?
Pswope, Well said.
SS, Also well stated. Sorry about your Italian condition and I am NOT gloating but……..
BONUSES WERE PAID TODAY. WAHOOOOOOOOOO
I’d be even happier if I hadn’t already spent it on a bike.
Having probably bored you all to tears by now, I am, your partner in the hobby,
littleguy
P.S. This should not be necessary to say, but, of course, these are only MY opinions.
P.P.S. Going to Florida next week. Can't wait to get away from this God damn weather. Dawn, I'll be seeing you as soon as I am able Darlin'.
BTW - What does ROTFLMAO mean. I know the end is Laughing My Ass Off, but what's the ROTF part ?
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