A little respect

E

Ezrlove

#1
#1
I am fairly new to the internet hobby style. I have been in the hobby for quite a few years. I guess that the best part of bringing the hobby on-line is being able to state your opinion. Well I am about to state my opinion and I think a lot of people are not going to like it.

I have never read so many inconsiderate posts on a board. Some of the members on this board complained that there are not enough providers posting here. When a few of them decide to post , you guys disrepsect them and show no understanding, emotion, compassion or respect for them. I am not speaking to all of the members on this board just a few of them. Know wonders Val left and I would not be surprised if Lisa stopped posting also.

People post nasty comments or try to be funny on-line but would never have the balls to say the same things face to face. And this whole idea of coming to the defense of my fellow *brothers*, what the hell is that all about.

We (hobbyist and providers) are a very small community. A community that a lot of people look down upon. One would think that we would be open minded and supportive of each other not poke fun at or disrepect.
 
T

TuckernotSucker

#2
#2
You are Right

I agreen with everything you say. If all of us treat each other with respect as well as the ladies they will be more amicable and approachable on these boards.
But, we must remember, not everyone is nice. Girls as well as the men. If we are civilized on these boards we can weed out the ones that are for us. There are many men that abuse these women in session. There are many women that do not supply the proper service for the fees they are charging.
This board can have an impact on helping all find the matches in their pursuit of the hobby.
Jake (going for silver)
 
H

HornDogBuddah

#4
#4
Hobbyists and Providers who post on internet boards are but a very small percentage of Hs and Ps in total. Given the irresponsible, reprehensible, and downright criminal behavior that people exhibit in the "real" world, where they run the very distinct risk of being observed, reported, investigated, and punished, it is of little surprise to see that similar behaviors are manifested in the virtual world. Here there is little jeopardy, with little payment to be made for "transgressions" -- it almost begs for free-for-all behavior.

I say we are lucky that the behaviors on this board are so moderate considering what they might possibly be. Don't misunderstand me -- I am by no means supporting, encouraging, or condoning the behaviors you abhor. I, too, find much of that distasteful and extremely annoying. On the other hand, anyone who expresses an opinion on this or any other board is fair game to be challenged. I think some people either don't know how to challenge opinions and behaviors without attacking the person or they just don't care to take the time and effort.
 
P

Paige

#5
#5
Yea, EZ is right...... But I'd like to know

No one showed me one iota of respect all over my preference and some of u do know me and have seen me.Meanwhile, Back at the ranch u all have your preferences I was just woman enough to state it unlike some other broads who Kiss Tush because they live in fear of a bad review.Ahhhhh the truth hits home and will always bite ya in the rear.So ya wanna turn over a newleaf I will but question is Will You?
Paige
 
G

guy catelli

#6
#6
Originally posted by Ezrlove
......Some of the members on this board complained that there are not enough providers posting here. When a few of them decide to post , you guys disrepsect them and show no understanding, emotion, compassion or respect for them.......
Click to expand...
i couldn't agree more, Ezrlove.

perhaps the APM might want to consider creating a new section, with a title like "The Oak Room at UG." this section would be more tightly moderated than other boards. gentleman would be required to be gentleman; and, ladies would be expected to be 'lady-like'.

those who were out of order would be asked to adjourn to the General section, or one of the other sections.

just a thought -- it might attract more ladies.
 
S

Saint Bart

#8
#8
Goddesses of Love

I agree - without the present day ladies, there would be no hobby as we now know it.
I don't know what it was like 10 or 15 years ago, but I have to believe the quality -beauty, intelligence, etc - of provider is 10X or 100X better today.
If we don't treat them with respect, as the Goddesses of Love that they are, in our reviews and comments, we only shoot ourselves in the foot. The best can always find some rich old guy to support them, which means we're the losers!
Sure, I'd like to see every gynocological detail in every review, but it's not fair to the ladies. They have to have their own options to make the business pleasurable for themselves. So, I'd rather see less detail and more "color" to the reviews and total experience. I can read between the lines, and with the right lady I don't have to check off every aspect that I need for GFE to have a good, or even a great, time!
 
L

LIDAWN

#9
#9
ez

hey baby... i think that you are right.. but i also know that it is impossible for all the kids to play nice together all the time..
i do wish he had a seperate page for review and reply only for the girls to respond to the reviews like a thank you and such.. some of you guys have spoiled us beyond belief and it has been amazing.. so kind and loving and generous.. I have had only one bad experience....
that is it.... the rest over the last three months have been beautiful and reciprical and fun..
Hugzz to the gents who make this work like it should and more to the ones who make it play and everything to those that make it work out easy ,fun and oh my gosh where did you learn that......
hugzzz dawn
 
J

justme

homo economicus
#10
#10
People post nasty comments or try to be funny on-line but would never have the balls to say the same things face to face.

Never said a thing to anyone online that I wouldn't say to their face... in fact given the ability to read and ponder what I write, I'm sure I'm much nicer online. For the record I've seen many more instances of insults directed an men on UG than those directed at women. Wondering what all the fuss is. Also wondering if it has anything to do with thankfully outmoded ideas of chivalry and similar sexist concepts that disempower females...
 
G

guy catelli

#12
#12
Originally posted by justme
... wondering if it has anything to do with thankfully outmoded ideas of chivalry and similar sexist concepts that disempower females...
Click to expand...
yeah, that's the ticket! the cynics aren't cruelly wounding the feelings of honest working women who can't respond without suffering negative financial consequences -- they're trying to 'empower' women to break free of the ancient shackles of chivalry that the Romantics seek to impose on them! yeah, that's the ticket ...

rediculous :p
 
G

guy catelli

#13
#13
Saint Bart,

you have perfectly summed up the picture. more mature clients don't need diagrams, instruction manuals, secret decoder rings, etc -- we already know the basics.

what we want is to get a sense of the 'colors', as you put it. it is interesting that the strictest 'functionalist' will be among the first to point out that the reader gets the clearest take on an escort's negative attributes from her own posts, in spite of her contrary intent.

it is equally obvious that the clearest picture of an escort's positive attributes would come from the same source and in the same manner: reading between the lines of her posts.




[Edited by guy catelli on 02-22-2001 at 11:34 PM]
 
G

guy catelli

#14
#14
Originally posted by justme
Never said a thing to anyone online that I wouldn't say to their face...

you continue to miss the whole point. you would never call someone in a position of authority over you a name, or otherwise characterize them, in a way that they had clearly expressed to you was offensive to them -- unless you were insane. and you wouldn't do so with anyone at all unless you consciously intended to offend them, make an enemy of them, and/or drive them away.

that you persist in doing so in this context proves what every feminist is saying about 'who has the power'.

For the record I've seen many more instances of insults directed a(t) men on UG than those directed at women.

we don't have a shortage of thick-skinned clients. we have a shortage of escorts.

Wondering what all the fuss is.

well, at this point, the responsibility for that lies with you. it's been explained to you at great length, and with great detail and specificity. yet, if the tables were turned, you would understand in a second. there's no great 'mystery' here. it is obvious at this point that no proofs will ever suffice.

the consequence of this is that only those escorts who are willing to cater to 'functionalists' will regularly participate. you can pride yourself with this proof-by-absence that functionalism is all that this thing of ours is about. and, thus, that there is no valid reason for escorts to object to your choice of how to characterize their thus demonstrated 'functionalism'.

meanwhile, those of us who want to read the writings of escorts who cater to clients interested in a more wholistic approach to this thing of ours will forever be denied that opportunity here, by the insistence of you, and the like-mided, on driving them away, all the while maintaining a stance of "wondering what the fuss is".



[Edited by guy catelli on 02-22-2001 at 11:31 PM]
Click to expand...
 
J

justme

homo economicus
#15
#15
Didn't mean to piss in your cornflakes (stolen, but loved expression). I never said that there hasn't been an insulting remark made to providors, just that they weren't too common here. I've already agreed to the presence (and expressed my distaste) for those comments made in other places. To be clearer, most of the offending remarks to johns have been made by other johns.

As far as the disempowering notion that men must stick up for women, I stick to my guns. And I think that many women (Amber? Candi? KS?) would agree with the point, and I think that's why you got a little shit over on TBD from pros a few months ago.

You're right i would never talk to someone that has power over me as a peer. I don't think that I have power over pros and I don't think that have power over me. In all honesty (and this is the first time I've actually said this on-line) I think that we as groups are collaborators to mutual abuse and further disfunction. The way I talk to (most) pros is the way I'd talk to any person I considered a peer.

As far as the notion of dumbing down or nicing up posts in some effort to attract providors, I think this too is stupid. For me the point of these boards is not to romance women that I pay to sleep with me, but rather to gain a further understanding of why exactly it is that I persist in this behavior and what the long run effects will be. I can't possibly apologize for having a different agenda from romantics or even those looking to find the next greatest paid for lay. I'm sorry if I'm intruding on your game. Although, to me, it's a bit like using expensive bait to go fishing in a seeded pond.

As far as ignoring proof... my god, please don't abuse that poor word any more than it already has been abused.
 
T

Tankcommander

#16
#16
I think this is what it boils down to.

Two theories here... I'm not saying whether they are right or wrong, just what I percieve them to be...

1) This board is primarily for clients and thus, accurate information must be transmitted, good or bad. Providers are given a chance to defend themselves.

On the other hand,

2) We want more providers on this board, so we only post good information.

Now, I missed the catalyst of why Valerie withdrew from the board, so I cannot comment on that. Anyone want to enlighten me?
 
Slinky Bender

Slinky Bender

The All Powerful Moderator
#17
#17
When I have given sales training seminars I try to always impart something which was taught to me by an expert sales trainer:

Everyone buys for the same reason. Their reason. Everyone has their own reason for coming here, and then has their own reason for leaving. It's always a mistake to try and impart your own motivations for doing something upon someone else, even if they are engaged in the same action you are.
 
J

justme

homo economicus
#18
#18
It is clear that people have different motivations, and it is clear that they should not expect to impart those motivations onto others, but I think it is equally clear that they will espouse and fight for those motivations, no?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top