A little respect
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Of the ladies I've had the opportunity to spend time with, I've always treated them with respect and we all had a good time. I've almost always given a good review of the ladies I've spent time with.
There were only 2 reviews I've ever given that were negative, but they were both warranted. The one lady (from south jersey) smelled from cigarettee smoke and had body odor because she didn't shower prior to our session.
I always shower prior to a session!!! I think it's right for both the lady and myself to be squeaky clean before having fun. My mistake was not seeing her pic and went into it blind. The pic would have at least helped me guage whether or not to go for it.
I'm very picky. When I contact a lady I wish to see, it is b/c of an attraction, not just to gain another notch in my belt.
It's like seeing a movie, you have to see it and evaluate it for yourself, as everyone has different tastes. Gee, for the orally inclind that has a double meaning doesn't it.
Some people may say a movie is terrible, but I go see it and love it and visa versa. Ladires are the same. Just as you may not like the lady when you actually meet her, although at first galnce of her pic and desc you felt it is/was a match, the lady may not hit it of with us as well, due to personality conflict or other reason.
So take reviews for what they are worth, a persons specific opinion! Whether good or bad, they should be respectful and fair and honest !
After awhile, we all begin to know who the regulars are here and know the style/content of our reviews. You can start to build your trust in a persons opinion when what they write is similar or common to your own experience. You can also tell when a person has a mission to hurt a lady by posting false info and it raises a red flag.
BTW Paige and LIDawn,
I do look forward to speakiing with you both and meeting in the future, as the lack of money due to the stock market is killing me now. Also LI is too far for me but hope you can visit NJ occasionally? Brooklyn is ok for me.
At the present time, I have this Italian thing called 'Myfundsarlo' and I'm not Italian.
SS
There were only 2 reviews I've ever given that were negative, but they were both warranted. The one lady (from south jersey) smelled from cigarettee smoke and had body odor because she didn't shower prior to our session.
I always shower prior to a session!!! I think it's right for both the lady and myself to be squeaky clean before having fun. My mistake was not seeing her pic and went into it blind. The pic would have at least helped me guage whether or not to go for it.
I'm very picky. When I contact a lady I wish to see, it is b/c of an attraction, not just to gain another notch in my belt.
It's like seeing a movie, you have to see it and evaluate it for yourself, as everyone has different tastes. Gee, for the orally inclind that has a double meaning doesn't it.
Some people may say a movie is terrible, but I go see it and love it and visa versa. Ladires are the same. Just as you may not like the lady when you actually meet her, although at first galnce of her pic and desc you felt it is/was a match, the lady may not hit it of with us as well, due to personality conflict or other reason.
So take reviews for what they are worth, a persons specific opinion! Whether good or bad, they should be respectful and fair and honest !
After awhile, we all begin to know who the regulars are here and know the style/content of our reviews. You can start to build your trust in a persons opinion when what they write is similar or common to your own experience. You can also tell when a person has a mission to hurt a lady by posting false info and it raises a red flag.
BTW Paige and LIDawn,
I do look forward to speakiing with you both and meeting in the future, as the lack of money due to the stock market is killing me now. Also LI is too far for me but hope you can visit NJ occasionally? Brooklyn is ok for me.
At the present time, I have this Italian thing called 'Myfundsarlo' and I'm not Italian.
SS
St Bart
this is off topic,but your comment that the ladies today are 10 to 100x better than 10-15 years is based on my experience wrong. Probably deserving of a seperate thread,if anyone is interested.
ps-the quality of the ladies is irrelevant to the issue of entitlement to respect. Of course,everyone is entitled to be treated with respect until they forfeit that by their conduct.
The issue is sensibilities that each respective side must bring to a coed board.
Given the nature of the subject(having sex for money),it's to be expected that there is going to be a certain degree of crudeness. By the same token,there will also be a degree of disingenous,cloying behavior aimed at either promoting business or obtaining "favors" from providers. Personally,I find that as vomitous as gratuitously vulgar or hostile posts .
Ultimately,if this community sees merit in a coed board,then a culture must evolve,which strikes a balance
between the unfettered behavior that would be acceptable on a Working Girl or John only board and one that is so diluted in the interest of civility,self promotion,and self interest advancement that it mirrors an already existing board,disdained by many.
this is off topic,but your comment that the ladies today are 10 to 100x better than 10-15 years is based on my experience wrong. Probably deserving of a seperate thread,if anyone is interested.
ps-the quality of the ladies is irrelevant to the issue of entitlement to respect. Of course,everyone is entitled to be treated with respect until they forfeit that by their conduct.
The issue is sensibilities that each respective side must bring to a coed board.
Given the nature of the subject(having sex for money),it's to be expected that there is going to be a certain degree of crudeness. By the same token,there will also be a degree of disingenous,cloying behavior aimed at either promoting business or obtaining "favors" from providers. Personally,I find that as vomitous as gratuitously vulgar or hostile posts .
Ultimately,if this community sees merit in a coed board,then a culture must evolve,which strikes a balance
between the unfettered behavior that would be acceptable on a Working Girl or John only board and one that is so diluted in the interest of civility,self promotion,and self interest advancement that it mirrors an already existing board,disdained by many.
Ezrlove, “I am about to state my opinion and I think a lot of people are not going to like it.”
EZ, Is it okay if I call you by your first 2 characters ? Anyway, the operative word here is “opinion”. We should, not that we always do, but we should understand without you having to state it, that it is your OPINION. That usually doesn’t make it right nor wrong. I’m getting a bit senile, not that my memory was EVER very good to begin with but my general impression is that the normal tone of discussion here is rather tame and respectful, by both providers and hobbyists. I don’t come here all that often and I’ve read some of Val’s posts (of disappointment and saying “Goodbye”) but I didn’t see, and I probably won’t bother to look for, the ones that prompted the reaction. Maybe I've been lurking on TBD too much lately.
In any case, my impression of the general atmosphere here, to this point, is one of overall honest discussion between the 2 camps. Ladies and gentlemen sometimes overreact a bit and post an angry response before they’ve thought about what the poster was really trying to say. As in other parts of our lives, that happens. We need to think before we write. First try walking in the other persons moccasins before replying to something that angers you.
“I have never read so many inconsiderate posts on a board”. You’ve GOT to be kidding. You’re on TBD. I’ve seen you there. You think UG is as bad as TBD. Wow !!!
TnotS,
I think you’re right to some degree. I am beginning to understand after talking to some of the ladies personally that they each have their “horror” stories of bad encounters, from guys “taking advantage” to guys not being very clean, to guys that would physically try (and sometimes, unfortunately succeed) in abusing them. As somebody already mentioned there are segments of our society that act that way all the time. I don’t think these things should ever happen to a lady but as a matter of percentages I get the feeling that these bad encounters are (at least I hope) less frequent than the percentage in the world outside of ours. I know I stated that badly but you know what I mean.
HDB, You are right on the money, as usual.
GC You may be surprised how few ladies want flowers and romance from you (us) guys. If you had your “Oak Room” you might find it a lonely place. OTOH, maybe I’d be surprised. I’ve been wrong before. I’m sure I will be again. I don’t think you guys are giving the ladies enough credit. I think you’re being condescending to them and inferring they can’t take a (mostly) thoughtful discourse with differing points of view. Most of them are MUCH tougher than you appear to give them credit for.
Saint Bart (Love that handle), You’ve GOT to be kidding. “without the present day ladies, there would be no hobby “ Give yourself (and all of us) some credit. Without US there would be no hobby either. “I don't know what it was like 10 or 15 years ago, but I have to believe the quality -beauty, intelligence, etc - of provider is 10X or 100X better today” If you DON’T KNOW, why would you assume such a thing ? I don’t care to start the thread but I’d be willing to bet there are a few guys here that might have a different opinion.
“Sure, I'd like to see every gynocological detail in every review, but it's not fair to the ladies. They have to have their own options to make the business pleasurable for themselves. So, I'd rather see less detail and more "color" to the reviews and total experience. I can read between the lines, and with the right lady I don't have to check off every aspect that I need for GFE to have a good, or even a great, time!”
While I cringe a bit at the “gynecological detail” phrasing, it’s relatively accurate anyway. On a percentage basis I believe there are far more rip-offs of hobbyists than there are of the ladies. At least that’s been my observation. Take one look at the “cash and dash” operations. Phoenix jumps immediately to mind. Right Dave ? Also, you apparently have much more “discretionary” income than many of us (clearly far more than myself) and perhaps you can afford to “write off” some bad experiences more easily than many of us. I make a pretty decent living, but still have to watch my money a bit. I’m SURE there are many gentlemen here that have to be MORE careful than I do. So should we all adhere to your standards or just go away and find an “economy johns” board .Let’s face it, while all guys are there for the same “end result(s-grin!)", most of us are also there for very specific activities also. At the hourly rate we are paying, I need as much knowledge as possible to spend my money wisely. Now don’t get me wrong. I have “taken one for the team” on a fair number of occasions. I also thoroughly read reviews and try to read between the lines also. But it’s too easy to make mistakes that way. As far as having their “own options” that falls into the YMMV caveat, which I, for one, ALWAYS remember. Just because YOU got something doesn’t mean I will. OTOH, and I’ve told you this before, If I KNOW you received a particular activity, I know it is USUALLY also available to me providing I am freshly showered and respectful to the lady, which, BTW, I ALWAYS am. Having said all of that I should also tell you that I AGREE it’s the TOTAL experience that counts. I’ve had sessions with ladies that didn’t do either of the top 2 on my personal list that had been GREAT. I’ve also had sessions with ladies that do absolutely EVERYTHING I like that have not been among my favorites. However, both those examples are EXCEPTIONS, not the rule. Which is, of course, why I want as many details as are available.
JM, “Wondering what all the fuss is (about)” Me too.
GC. “Reading between the lines” is a recipe for disaster, in anything. That’s just MY opinion, of course.
BTW, What’s a “functionalist” ? “Wholistic approach “ ???
JM, Right again.
SB, Well stated, as usual (Boy, it’s not so bad kissing the APM’s butt)
JM and TC, Will you guys try to get some sleep for God’s sake ? How about if I promise to try to actually get some work done ? Deal ?
Pswope, Well said.
SS, Also well stated. Sorry about your Italian condition and I am NOT gloating but……..
BONUSES WERE PAID TODAY. WAHOOOOOOOOOO
I’d be even happier if I hadn’t already spent it on a bike.
Having probably bored you all to tears by now, I am, your partner in the hobby,
littleguy
P.S. This should not be necessary to say, but, of course, these are only MY opinions.
P.P.S. Going to Florida next week. Can't wait to get away from this God damn weather. Dawn, I'll be seeing you as soon as I am able Darlin'.
BTW - What does ROTFLMAO mean. I know the end is Laughing My Ass Off, but what's the ROTF part ?
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[Edited by slinkybender on 02-23-2001 at 10:49 AM]
EZ, Is it okay if I call you by your first 2 characters ? Anyway, the operative word here is “opinion”. We should, not that we always do, but we should understand without you having to state it, that it is your OPINION. That usually doesn’t make it right nor wrong. I’m getting a bit senile, not that my memory was EVER very good to begin with but my general impression is that the normal tone of discussion here is rather tame and respectful, by both providers and hobbyists. I don’t come here all that often and I’ve read some of Val’s posts (of disappointment and saying “Goodbye”) but I didn’t see, and I probably won’t bother to look for, the ones that prompted the reaction. Maybe I've been lurking on TBD too much lately.
In any case, my impression of the general atmosphere here, to this point, is one of overall honest discussion between the 2 camps. Ladies and gentlemen sometimes overreact a bit and post an angry response before they’ve thought about what the poster was really trying to say. As in other parts of our lives, that happens. We need to think before we write. First try walking in the other persons moccasins before replying to something that angers you.
“I have never read so many inconsiderate posts on a board”. You’ve GOT to be kidding. You’re on TBD. I’ve seen you there. You think UG is as bad as TBD. Wow !!!
TnotS,
I think you’re right to some degree. I am beginning to understand after talking to some of the ladies personally that they each have their “horror” stories of bad encounters, from guys “taking advantage” to guys not being very clean, to guys that would physically try (and sometimes, unfortunately succeed) in abusing them. As somebody already mentioned there are segments of our society that act that way all the time. I don’t think these things should ever happen to a lady but as a matter of percentages I get the feeling that these bad encounters are (at least I hope) less frequent than the percentage in the world outside of ours. I know I stated that badly but you know what I mean.
HDB, You are right on the money, as usual.
GC You may be surprised how few ladies want flowers and romance from you (us) guys. If you had your “Oak Room” you might find it a lonely place. OTOH, maybe I’d be surprised. I’ve been wrong before. I’m sure I will be again. I don’t think you guys are giving the ladies enough credit. I think you’re being condescending to them and inferring they can’t take a (mostly) thoughtful discourse with differing points of view. Most of them are MUCH tougher than you appear to give them credit for.
Saint Bart (Love that handle), You’ve GOT to be kidding. “without the present day ladies, there would be no hobby “ Give yourself (and all of us) some credit. Without US there would be no hobby either. “I don't know what it was like 10 or 15 years ago, but I have to believe the quality -beauty, intelligence, etc - of provider is 10X or 100X better today” If you DON’T KNOW, why would you assume such a thing ? I don’t care to start the thread but I’d be willing to bet there are a few guys here that might have a different opinion.
“Sure, I'd like to see every gynocological detail in every review, but it's not fair to the ladies. They have to have their own options to make the business pleasurable for themselves. So, I'd rather see less detail and more "color" to the reviews and total experience. I can read between the lines, and with the right lady I don't have to check off every aspect that I need for GFE to have a good, or even a great, time!”
While I cringe a bit at the “gynecological detail” phrasing, it’s relatively accurate anyway. On a percentage basis I believe there are far more rip-offs of hobbyists than there are of the ladies. At least that’s been my observation. Take one look at the “cash and dash” operations. Phoenix jumps immediately to mind. Right Dave ? Also, you apparently have much more “discretionary” income than many of us (clearly far more than myself) and perhaps you can afford to “write off” some bad experiences more easily than many of us. I make a pretty decent living, but still have to watch my money a bit. I’m SURE there are many gentlemen here that have to be MORE careful than I do. So should we all adhere to your standards or just go away and find an “economy johns” board .Let’s face it, while all guys are there for the same “end result(s-grin!)", most of us are also there for very specific activities also. At the hourly rate we are paying, I need as much knowledge as possible to spend my money wisely. Now don’t get me wrong. I have “taken one for the team” on a fair number of occasions. I also thoroughly read reviews and try to read between the lines also. But it’s too easy to make mistakes that way. As far as having their “own options” that falls into the YMMV caveat, which I, for one, ALWAYS remember. Just because YOU got something doesn’t mean I will. OTOH, and I’ve told you this before, If I KNOW you received a particular activity, I know it is USUALLY also available to me providing I am freshly showered and respectful to the lady, which, BTW, I ALWAYS am. Having said all of that I should also tell you that I AGREE it’s the TOTAL experience that counts. I’ve had sessions with ladies that didn’t do either of the top 2 on my personal list that had been GREAT. I’ve also had sessions with ladies that do absolutely EVERYTHING I like that have not been among my favorites. However, both those examples are EXCEPTIONS, not the rule. Which is, of course, why I want as many details as are available.
JM, “Wondering what all the fuss is (about)” Me too.
GC. “Reading between the lines” is a recipe for disaster, in anything. That’s just MY opinion, of course.
BTW, What’s a “functionalist” ? “Wholistic approach “ ???
JM, Right again.
SB, Well stated, as usual (Boy, it’s not so bad kissing the APM’s butt)
JM and TC, Will you guys try to get some sleep for God’s sake ? How about if I promise to try to actually get some work done ? Deal ?
Pswope, Well said.
SS, Also well stated. Sorry about your Italian condition and I am NOT gloating but……..
BONUSES WERE PAID TODAY. WAHOOOOOOOOOO
I’d be even happier if I hadn’t already spent it on a bike.
Having probably bored you all to tears by now, I am, your partner in the hobby,
littleguy
P.S. This should not be necessary to say, but, of course, these are only MY opinions.
P.P.S. Going to Florida next week. Can't wait to get away from this God damn weather. Dawn, I'll be seeing you as soon as I am able Darlin'.
BTW - What does ROTFLMAO mean. I know the end is Laughing My Ass Off, but what's the ROTF part ?
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[Edited by slinkybender on 02-23-2001 at 10:49 AM]
JM,
No, I think it is wrong for folks here to fight to impose their own motivations on anyone else. I don't disagree that some will try to do so anyway, but often that's when you see folks unable to sway others to their POV, whne they argue not based on logic, or even "pure emotions", but simply based on their own personal motivations. It usually becomes reasonably obvious that they have an agenda ( not necessarily hidden ), which isn't really about the topic of the board.
For example, if a retired provider left the business because of some self image problems, I think it wouldn't be proper for that person to attempt to steer every conversation to an attempt to convince all other providers to do the same for the same reason.
No, I think it is wrong for folks here to fight to impose their own motivations on anyone else. I don't disagree that some will try to do so anyway, but often that's when you see folks unable to sway others to their POV, whne they argue not based on logic, or even "pure emotions", but simply based on their own personal motivations. It usually becomes reasonably obvious that they have an agenda ( not necessarily hidden ), which isn't really about the topic of the board.
For example, if a retired provider left the business because of some self image problems, I think it wouldn't be proper for that person to attempt to steer every conversation to an attempt to convince all other providers to do the same for the same reason.
I agree with EZ somewhat. Granted we all should treat each other with respect. But the exceptions will arise and my opinion is my opinion0.
IE. Paige, I have had a lot to say on the subject concerning you. I agree that you or anyone should have your preferences as to whom to see or not. But when reading your denials of "not being racist" it seems that your are. You seem to have a truly arrogant nature. Like calling your sister's mate a "brother". Enough said. And by your last post it seems you just don't get what ever person is inscensed about. I truly think we have addressed you long enough.
If you would like to further discuss e-mail me
Wimpy0704@hotmail.com
IE. Paige, I have had a lot to say on the subject concerning you. I agree that you or anyone should have your preferences as to whom to see or not. But when reading your denials of "not being racist" it seems that your are. You seem to have a truly arrogant nature. Like calling your sister's mate a "brother". Enough said. And by your last post it seems you just don't get what ever person is inscensed about. I truly think we have addressed you long enough.
If you would like to further discuss e-mail me
Wimpy0704@hotmail.com
When I say respect I am not talking about reviews or peoples opinions about the providers.
The words whore and prostitue to me just don't have any right being mentioned on these boards.
To me these ladies are escorts. They make me happy, not just physically but mentally. I can honestly say that because of these ladies my job performance is better, the relationship with my kids is better, and over all my outlook on life is better. And their is no price for that.
Do I want to marry any of these woman? no. One of the reasons why they make my life better is because I don't have to see them everyday. I usually make appointments for at least 4 hours and believe me the time spent between the sheets doesn't make or break the date. It takes two to make good whoopie.
Some people believe they are paying for sex. I pay for time spent. In order for me to enjoy the time spent with a provider I must respect her. Don't get me wrong, I love the sex but if thats all I wanted I wouldn't be scheduling 4 or more hours. And yes I have had 2 occasions when nothing happened between the sheets and I still offered to pay on both occasions. One took the money and one didn't.
The words whore and prostitue to me just don't have any right being mentioned on these boards.
To me these ladies are escorts. They make me happy, not just physically but mentally. I can honestly say that because of these ladies my job performance is better, the relationship with my kids is better, and over all my outlook on life is better. And their is no price for that.
Do I want to marry any of these woman? no. One of the reasons why they make my life better is because I don't have to see them everyday. I usually make appointments for at least 4 hours and believe me the time spent between the sheets doesn't make or break the date. It takes two to make good whoopie.
Some people believe they are paying for sex. I pay for time spent. In order for me to enjoy the time spent with a provider I must respect her. Don't get me wrong, I love the sex but if thats all I wanted I wouldn't be scheduling 4 or more hours. And yes I have had 2 occasions when nothing happened between the sheets and I still offered to pay on both occasions. One took the money and one didn't.
Something about this thread puts me in mind of Mick Jagger mincing about the stage at Altamont with chiffon accessories while the Hells Angels beat and stabbed a young black man to death. Can't quite put my finger on it, but the strong feeling is there. Not that I am recommending that everybody grab a pool cue or a knife and lay about them for fun and profit.
I missed the Val thing (I tend to mostly skim or skip the long posts), so I don't know why she left.
The Candide thing left me confused, as I've never looked at JAG and much of what was said apparently referred to postings on other sites. Whether she should have been "outed" or not was really the APM's decision, and it appeared to me that, after several posters who knew who she was hinted at it, she "outed" herself. Of course I may be wrong here.
The Paige thing is pretty dangerous, as sometimes no matter what you say, there are going to be people who take it other than you meant it. I'm not saying that she's right or wrong, nor am I saying that she is or isn't a racist. Basically, I'm not saying anything at all regarding that situation.
All discussion regarding Lisa should have been dropped immediately when she revealed she had lost some family members (with the exception of expressions of condolences). It's the gentlemanly (and just plain right) thing to do.
I think that most of the posters on this board, male or female, do, for the most part, show respect towards each other. There are obviously differences of opinions, and many of you obviously know each other from other boards, so there is long history there.
Regardless, there is absolutely no reason for insults or personal attacks here. This board is meant to be informative, and a place to discuss the "hobby". That is all it should be used for. If you had a bad experience with a provider, be sure to say that it was YOUR experience. YMMV and all that stuff. The only exception to this should be when the encounter was with a rip-off artist, bait-and-switch, or threatening acts.
I'm sorry, I don't normally write long posts. I've been trying to write this post for 20 minutes, and I've kinda lost my train of thought (too many late nights this week). What I try to do, and I admit that I don't always succeed, is this:
Treat everyone you meet with respect and dignity, and in the long run everybody benefits.
Of course, this is only my opinion.
Jester
The Candide thing left me confused, as I've never looked at JAG and much of what was said apparently referred to postings on other sites. Whether she should have been "outed" or not was really the APM's decision, and it appeared to me that, after several posters who knew who she was hinted at it, she "outed" herself. Of course I may be wrong here.
The Paige thing is pretty dangerous, as sometimes no matter what you say, there are going to be people who take it other than you meant it. I'm not saying that she's right or wrong, nor am I saying that she is or isn't a racist. Basically, I'm not saying anything at all regarding that situation.
All discussion regarding Lisa should have been dropped immediately when she revealed she had lost some family members (with the exception of expressions of condolences). It's the gentlemanly (and just plain right) thing to do.
I think that most of the posters on this board, male or female, do, for the most part, show respect towards each other. There are obviously differences of opinions, and many of you obviously know each other from other boards, so there is long history there.
Regardless, there is absolutely no reason for insults or personal attacks here. This board is meant to be informative, and a place to discuss the "hobby". That is all it should be used for. If you had a bad experience with a provider, be sure to say that it was YOUR experience. YMMV and all that stuff. The only exception to this should be when the encounter was with a rip-off artist, bait-and-switch, or threatening acts.
I'm sorry, I don't normally write long posts. I've been trying to write this post for 20 minutes, and I've kinda lost my train of thought (too many late nights this week). What I try to do, and I admit that I don't always succeed, is this:
Treat everyone you meet with respect and dignity, and in the long run everybody benefits.
Of course, this is only my opinion.
Jester