Top 10 Escort Marketing Mistakes
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H4C, I don’t have friends that sponsor me. I have been a member of the clubs since I was a child with my family, which has been part of the social registry years before I was even thought of. But if needed, I am active in several organizations which would qualify for employment purposes.
I realize that when one reads the numerous websites of many of the different ladies, which they all drone on with the same rhetoric of grandiose lives, sometimes makes it quite unbelievable. I know. I have read some of it and thought the same thing.
But as unfathomable as it is, sometimes, there is that one that clearly brings exactly what they state, to the table.
Why would someone who hails from this life, chose THIS life? It affords me a freedom to my life that I could never truly experience within the confines of a marriage or a conventional occupation. Yes, if I married well, my role most likely would have been to host dinner parties, run the household staff, as well as do my beloved work in philanthropy. Not to forget the most important role, to produce an heir to carry on my husband’s name.
And sometimes I do question why I didn’t follow what was expected of me. Did I choose a way in life that has hindered a truly deeper spiritual growth? The nights that I am lonely for arms to be wrapped in, I wonder. Or when I am watching families, where the parents are my age, enjoying the company of each other.
Does my family question me? One of my first boyfriends was 50 years old, and I met him while attending an art gallery opening with my family. My family knows that I have been involved with married men. Not on this level, but they still know that I have had “affairs” Have I dealt with the wrath of their anger over this? Yes. Do they love and adore me enough to realize that if they push too hard, I am stubborn enough to put a distance between us that they don’t want? Yes. So thankfully, they don’t ask many questions and just let me open up as I wish too.
Within this ‘industry” I am not the prettiest. I see the ads for some of the spinners that are out there and I am dumbfounded and in awe of their beauty. I am not the youngest. You can’t be and have all the experiences I have to bring to the table and be a mere 25 years old.
But what I do bring to the table is an ease within myself as well as the surroundings that I find myself in, and that comes from having grown up in the same world that I now play in. I am at ease with who I am, with my own sexuality, my own drives, and the honesty which with I approach my chosen lifestyle.
Maybe it is because I was a spoiled, privileged child, which led me to this path. But at least I am honest about it. I love having relations with men. But I only want the good parts of it, and not the daily drudges of one. I want to keep the romance, the excitement, the heart pumping excitement to it, but none of the nagging, arguing, or daily ins and outs that eventually lend to the walls that are built up.
That too most likely could be linked back to my childhood. I would come home from school (I lived at my school, as well as summer camp for more than half the summer), be showered with love, attention, and fawned over, tons of presents and trips. And then I would go back to school and pursue my own interest. Similar to the lifestyle that I live today.
But this isn’t about the psychological make-up of a courtesan, it’s about marketing.
I digressed, I believe, to make the point that just because a woman chooses this as her lifestyle does not mean she lacks in true substance or quality, but more that these could be the very reasons that this lifestyle would appeal to her.
Marketing.
If I was on the very opposite end of the spectrum, desperate for cash, looking to pull “trains” I would approach it like this;
I would eliminate hour rates all together. I would only offer 15 min and half an hour appts. 15 minutes for 100, 30 minutes for 150. I would not bother with places like Eros, and only advertise on sites such as BP and boards. I would get two throw away phones. One with a text only plan, the other with a bit more expensive of a plan that offered unlimited text, unlimited minutes and browser friendly.
I would hire a phone girl, who I would give 50 dollars for the first 5 bookings, and every booking after that I would add 5 or 10 dollars for each booked call. Encouraging her to get me booked.
I would only place the advertisement with a phone number and not an email. Most gentlemen that want shorter term appts basically want to get it on right now, and its more about the act itself then it is about who she is. They want instant gratification, so a direct call is going to be more their preferred means of contact.
Depending on how heavily populated an area was, would determine how often I placed my ads on BP. If heavily populated, I would place one at 5am, when people are quickly looking around planning their day or looking for a little fun before work. I would again have one placed at 10 or 11 am to catch the lunch crowd, and again at 3pm for the after work crowd.
If it’s a smaller area, one will suffice.
But with that level of services, not much needs to be said marketing wise for the ads, except the allotted times – that basically says it all, that and a photo. No need to really put anything else down, why incriminate yourself?
I would either rent an RV for a specific amount of time, which I would be able to use in any parking lot, making my location one that moves fairly quickly, or I would go to a bare bones hotel, and see 5 clients in it, before moving to the next hotel. Yes, it takes money out of one’s pocket, but it’s less than having to post bond, even at 10%.
Oh, and I would also go to walmart and stock up on cheap plain white sheets. Instead of having to remake and flip sheets on the bed between people, you just throw a fresh sheet over the bed spread each time.
I would invest in a huge thing of baby wipes, which you could then after cleaning someone up, wrap the cover into it and flush it each time. You don’t want them sitting in the wastepaper basket, each one can be used as a separate charge against you.
And as to the clean sheets, not only is it better for the lady, but even though the person may be a short appt, its not such a bad idea to try to even build up a return clientele, safety is always good.
The booker would text each time an appt would be booked, text immediately erased, as well as the confirmation that a client had just left.
I would park my car in a parking lot away from the actual hotel, and leave the keys with the booker, who could either move around to different locations as you worked, or just find someplace else to be besides the hotel parking lot or in a different room. You don’t want your car impounded on top of everything else if anything was to arise, as this is legal for them to do, as it was used in the transport for illegal purposes.
If I was doing mid-range, I would focus more of my advertising on the boards, but also place ads on BP and CityVibe. If money permitted, I would also place an ad on Eros. I would make the ads a little more personal, ommiting things such as menu's and disclaimers. ( I often wonder what attorney got a months worth of bj's for typing up a quick disclaimer, when he knew full and well that it would be null and void the moment any discussions were entered, or a "menu" was placed, lol, especially when accompanied with "reviews".)
If new to the area, I would initially place an ad, 200 for the hour, 250 for 90 minutes. I would not offer half hour rates. If the man is someone who normally only goes for half hours, the hourly rate isn’t that far off from a half hour rate, and there is a chance, if you have grabbed his attention enough, that he will splurge on the hour. I would try for the 90 minutes, as at this level, you want to build up a regular clientele, and that is more the type that does want to have a little bit more than a romp in the hay with.
I would only offer that special for a limited time. Long enough to start a base of regulars. Then I would grandfather these clients when they came back, when my new rate was 250 for the hour, 300 for 90 minutes, to show them that I do appreciate them, and the fact is, they don’t have to be screened again, you have already began to form a bond, that needs to be accounted for.
I would only place an ad every two or so days as not to bring any unwanted attention and to keep cost down. It also helps you focus in on truly making regulars. I would also market these ad’s more to a clientele that is older, married, and looking for daytime appointments.
They are more likely to be more stable, not looking to cause any problems that would jeopardize their career or their home life. They will more than likely be more appreciative in finding someone who they connect with, who they also believe they are safe with, which will help in building regulars.
If I was in a larger city, I would also explore the industry that the city mainly revolved around, and quite possibly also find out if there were any large conferences that were held in the city, within that industry, find out where the sister companies were located at that would be coming to the conference’s, and possibly place ads pre-conference in that city of the sister companies, to try to pre-book with potential clients that will be visiting. Although a little more cost prohibitive, I would also explore well placed print ads.
If mid-level and touring, I would not look at cities such as Vegas, which monthly has 700 other ladies advertising on just Ero’s alone, not even considering the other advertising venues and board, and will be harder to make yourself really stand out in such a short amount of time.
I would explore cities such as Orlando, ( Although Orlando is the home of the MBI and makes it a little more daunting.) which has a large amount of conventions, as well as mid-level cities, like Boston, Detroit and so forth, of course, first doing research on the area. If touring, again, I would use the two phone rule.
I would either find a private studio apt to rent, one that hopefully is more of an executive rental, as there will be more transitional people there and not as apt to notice as much going on or find a mid-range hotel that caters to business people, so that it is higher with foot traffic.
I would have one very cheap phone that I never use for anything, except to book the room with. Hotels do searches on numbers if they think something might be strange with the person booking the room.
I would have another phone that would be strictly for use with clients. Not a by the minute, but a pre-paid plan, to keep cost more manageable.
Again, I would go and purchase white sheets and towels, as not to have to alert housekeeping to the fact that I am running through sheets and towels. Again, I would place them down on top of the comforter when the client came, so that they could witness that they had fresh linens. I would also keep on hand men’s deodorant, a handful of cheap toothbrushes, toothpaste, mouthwash and bars of individually wrapped bars of soap or liquid soap. All of this serves two purposes. It adds to your luggage making you appear more legitimate, as well as giving your clients the ability to freshen up, as well as yourself. And it shows that you care for the individual that you spent time with, which, the biggest rule to marketing, is making sure that you keep those you already have. Its harder to go out and find a new client, then it is to keep an old one happy.
I would handle the calls and bookings myself, to help make it more personal to help establish regulars. Your voice can be a very powerful tool if used correctly. I would only do pre-bookings.
No smoking or eating in the room. Both can have lingering smells, as well as add to the look of clutter in the room. I would also bring my Ipod to add a little personalization to the room, as well as maybe a lightly scented candle or two.
Again, using wipes to dispose of wrappers and covers. If you have driven, park your vehicle somewhere other than the hotels valet or parking. Instead using another parking garage. Keys are left with the attendant, and you leave the parking stub in the car.
Okay. There you have a little bit of it. There is more but this is just for entertainment, and just my thoughts on how I would do things if I was to do them, which I am not. It’s all just purely speculation and nothing that I encourage, endorse or condone. Just following with the conversation.
Oh, and I agree, Oyster Bay can be fun, but I don’t really care all that much for the beach there. To thin a strip of beach, and last summer when I was there I had the extreme misfortune of witnessing an 80 year old man jog in European speedos! :0 Okay, I realize, now I am going to sound like a snob, but I didn’t like their grocery store either, aisles are too small, although the little drug store next door to the left is kind of cute. I really enjoy Port Washington, Shelter Island and Muttontown.
LOL, in no way did I mean to offend or jilt anyone, which you are aware of, just giving a brief example. Island wise I prefer some of the more remote areas of the Philippines and off of Victoria BC. But that’s more on a personal level than a level of companionship.
H4C, I don’t have friends that sponsor me. I have been a member of the clubs since I was a child with my family, which has been part of the social registry years before I was even thought of. But if needed, I am active in several organizations which would qualify for employment purposes.
I realize that when one reads the numerous websites of many of the different ladies, which they all drone on with the same rhetoric of grandiose lives, sometimes makes it quite unbelievable. I know. I have read some of it and thought the same thing.
But as unfathomable as it is, sometimes, there is that one that clearly brings exactly what they state, to the table.
Why would someone who hails from this life, chose THIS life? It affords me a freedom to my life that I could never truly experience within the confines of a marriage or a conventional occupation. Yes, if I married well, my role most likely would have been to host dinner parties, run the household staff, as well as do my beloved work in philanthropy. Not to forget the most important role, to produce an heir to carry on my husband’s name.
And sometimes I do question why I didn’t follow what was expected of me. Did I choose a way in life that has hindered a truly deeper spiritual growth? The nights that I am lonely for arms to be wrapped in, I wonder. Or when I am watching families, where the parents are my age, enjoying the company of each other.
Does my family question me? One of my first boyfriends was 50 years old, and I met him while attending an art gallery opening with my family. My family knows that I have been involved with married men. Not on this level, but they still know that I have had “affairs” Have I dealt with the wrath of their anger over this? Yes. Do they love and adore me enough to realize that if they push too hard, I am stubborn enough to put a distance between us that they don’t want? Yes. So thankfully, they don’t ask many questions and just let me open up as I wish too.
Within this ‘industry” I am not the prettiest. I see the ads for some of the spinners that are out there and I am dumbfounded and in awe of their beauty. I am not the youngest. You can’t be and have all the experiences I have to bring to the table and be a mere 25 years old.
But what I do bring to the table is an ease within myself as well as the surroundings that I find myself in, and that comes from having grown up in the same world that I now play in. I am at ease with who I am, with my own sexuality, my own drives, and the honesty which with I approach my chosen lifestyle.
Maybe it is because I was a spoiled, privileged child, which led me to this path. But at least I am honest about it. I love having relations with men. But I only want the good parts of it, and not the daily drudges of one. I want to keep the romance, the excitement, the heart pumping excitement to it, but none of the nagging, arguing, or daily ins and outs that eventually lend to the walls that are built up.
That too most likely could be linked back to my childhood. I would come home from school (I lived at my school, as well as summer camp for more than half the summer), be showered with love, attention, and fawned over, tons of presents and trips. And then I would go back to school and pursue my own interest. Similar to the lifestyle that I live today.
But this isn’t about the psychological make-up of a courtesan, it’s about marketing.
I digressed, I believe, to make the point that just because a woman chooses this as her lifestyle does not mean she lacks in true substance or quality, but more that these could be the very reasons that this lifestyle would appeal to her.
Marketing.
If I was on the very opposite end of the spectrum, desperate for cash, looking to pull “trains” I would approach it like this;
I would eliminate hour rates all together. I would only offer 15 min and half an hour appts. 15 minutes for 100, 30 minutes for 150. I would not bother with places like Eros, and only advertise on sites such as BP and boards. I would get two throw away phones. One with a text only plan, the other with a bit more expensive of a plan that offered unlimited text, unlimited minutes and browser friendly.
I would hire a phone girl, who I would give 50 dollars for the first 5 bookings, and every booking after that I would add 5 or 10 dollars for each booked call. Encouraging her to get me booked.
I would only place the advertisement with a phone number and not an email. Most gentlemen that want shorter term appts basically want to get it on right now, and its more about the act itself then it is about who she is. They want instant gratification, so a direct call is going to be more their preferred means of contact.
Depending on how heavily populated an area was, would determine how often I placed my ads on BP. If heavily populated, I would place one at 5am, when people are quickly looking around planning their day or looking for a little fun before work. I would again have one placed at 10 or 11 am to catch the lunch crowd, and again at 3pm for the after work crowd.
If it’s a smaller area, one will suffice.
But with that level of services, not much needs to be said marketing wise for the ads, except the allotted times – that basically says it all, that and a photo. No need to really put anything else down, why incriminate yourself?
I would either rent an RV for a specific amount of time, which I would be able to use in any parking lot, making my location one that moves fairly quickly, or I would go to a bare bones hotel, and see 5 clients in it, before moving to the next hotel. Yes, it takes money out of one’s pocket, but it’s less than having to post bond, even at 10%.
Oh, and I would also go to walmart and stock up on cheap plain white sheets. Instead of having to remake and flip sheets on the bed between people, you just throw a fresh sheet over the bed spread each time.
I would invest in a huge thing of baby wipes, which you could then after cleaning someone up, wrap the cover into it and flush it each time. You don’t want them sitting in the wastepaper basket, each one can be used as a separate charge against you.
And as to the clean sheets, not only is it better for the lady, but even though the person may be a short appt, its not such a bad idea to try to even build up a return clientele, safety is always good.
The booker would text each time an appt would be booked, text immediately erased, as well as the confirmation that a client had just left.
I would park my car in a parking lot away from the actual hotel, and leave the keys with the booker, who could either move around to different locations as you worked, or just find someplace else to be besides the hotel parking lot or in a different room. You don’t want your car impounded on top of everything else if anything was to arise, as this is legal for them to do, as it was used in the transport for illegal purposes.
If I was doing mid-range, I would focus more of my advertising on the boards, but also place ads on BP and CityVibe. If money permitted, I would also place an ad on Eros. I would make the ads a little more personal, ommiting things such as menu's and disclaimers. ( I often wonder what attorney got a months worth of bj's for typing up a quick disclaimer, when he knew full and well that it would be null and void the moment any discussions were entered, or a "menu" was placed, lol, especially when accompanied with "reviews".)
If new to the area, I would initially place an ad, 200 for the hour, 250 for 90 minutes. I would not offer half hour rates. If the man is someone who normally only goes for half hours, the hourly rate isn’t that far off from a half hour rate, and there is a chance, if you have grabbed his attention enough, that he will splurge on the hour. I would try for the 90 minutes, as at this level, you want to build up a regular clientele, and that is more the type that does want to have a little bit more than a romp in the hay with.
I would only offer that special for a limited time. Long enough to start a base of regulars. Then I would grandfather these clients when they came back, when my new rate was 250 for the hour, 300 for 90 minutes, to show them that I do appreciate them, and the fact is, they don’t have to be screened again, you have already began to form a bond, that needs to be accounted for.
I would only place an ad every two or so days as not to bring any unwanted attention and to keep cost down. It also helps you focus in on truly making regulars. I would also market these ad’s more to a clientele that is older, married, and looking for daytime appointments.
They are more likely to be more stable, not looking to cause any problems that would jeopardize their career or their home life. They will more than likely be more appreciative in finding someone who they connect with, who they also believe they are safe with, which will help in building regulars.
If I was in a larger city, I would also explore the industry that the city mainly revolved around, and quite possibly also find out if there were any large conferences that were held in the city, within that industry, find out where the sister companies were located at that would be coming to the conference’s, and possibly place ads pre-conference in that city of the sister companies, to try to pre-book with potential clients that will be visiting. Although a little more cost prohibitive, I would also explore well placed print ads.
If mid-level and touring, I would not look at cities such as Vegas, which monthly has 700 other ladies advertising on just Ero’s alone, not even considering the other advertising venues and board, and will be harder to make yourself really stand out in such a short amount of time.
I would explore cities such as Orlando, ( Although Orlando is the home of the MBI and makes it a little more daunting.) which has a large amount of conventions, as well as mid-level cities, like Boston, Detroit and so forth, of course, first doing research on the area. If touring, again, I would use the two phone rule.
I would either find a private studio apt to rent, one that hopefully is more of an executive rental, as there will be more transitional people there and not as apt to notice as much going on or find a mid-range hotel that caters to business people, so that it is higher with foot traffic.
I would have one very cheap phone that I never use for anything, except to book the room with. Hotels do searches on numbers if they think something might be strange with the person booking the room.
I would have another phone that would be strictly for use with clients. Not a by the minute, but a pre-paid plan, to keep cost more manageable.
Again, I would go and purchase white sheets and towels, as not to have to alert housekeeping to the fact that I am running through sheets and towels. Again, I would place them down on top of the comforter when the client came, so that they could witness that they had fresh linens. I would also keep on hand men’s deodorant, a handful of cheap toothbrushes, toothpaste, mouthwash and bars of individually wrapped bars of soap or liquid soap. All of this serves two purposes. It adds to your luggage making you appear more legitimate, as well as giving your clients the ability to freshen up, as well as yourself. And it shows that you care for the individual that you spent time with, which, the biggest rule to marketing, is making sure that you keep those you already have. Its harder to go out and find a new client, then it is to keep an old one happy.
I would handle the calls and bookings myself, to help make it more personal to help establish regulars. Your voice can be a very powerful tool if used correctly. I would only do pre-bookings.
No smoking or eating in the room. Both can have lingering smells, as well as add to the look of clutter in the room. I would also bring my Ipod to add a little personalization to the room, as well as maybe a lightly scented candle or two.
Again, using wipes to dispose of wrappers and covers. If you have driven, park your vehicle somewhere other than the hotels valet or parking. Instead using another parking garage. Keys are left with the attendant, and you leave the parking stub in the car.
Okay. There you have a little bit of it. There is more but this is just for entertainment, and just my thoughts on how I would do things if I was to do them, which I am not. It’s all just purely speculation and nothing that I encourage, endorse or condone. Just following with the conversation.
Oh, and I agree, Oyster Bay can be fun, but I don’t really care all that much for the beach there. To thin a strip of beach, and last summer when I was there I had the extreme misfortune of witnessing an 80 year old man jog in European speedos! :0 Okay, I realize, now I am going to sound like a snob, but I didn’t like their grocery store either, aisles are too small, although the little drug store next door to the left is kind of cute. I really enjoy Port Washington, Shelter Island and Muttontown.
LOL, in no way did I mean to offend or jilt anyone, which you are aware of, just giving a brief example. Island wise I prefer some of the more remote areas of the Philippines and off of Victoria BC. But that’s more on a personal level than a level of companionship.
Wow, you sure covered all the bases. It continually amazes me how men and women seem to desire the same things -- well okay, accounting for gender differences in attitudes, and yet so many people remain unsatisfied. I am convinced of two things; that there is someone out there for everyone (ie not all men want children), and that in seeking and having relationships we each can be our own worst enemy.
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Puffin, you are so right. In the end, both men and women, not only desire and crave the same things, but our souls actually need it to continue to feel that level of content happiness.
They say that men and women speak different languages, leading to a lack of communication, I have found that if one identifies the others language, audio, visual, or emotional, and learns to communicate in this way, that its not lessening of the individual who is using the others language, its just changing certain words, that the lines of communication really do open up.
There is someone out there for everyone ( not all women want children either, although society then labels them as selfish) its just finding them, within the people who are in our lives, and you know what? I believe that they are there, we just sometimes have to change our scope of how we see others. Similar to the theory behind "The Secret".
They say that men and women speak different languages, leading to a lack of communication, I have found that if one identifies the others language, audio, visual, or emotional, and learns to communicate in this way, that its not lessening of the individual who is using the others language, its just changing certain words, that the lines of communication really do open up.
There is someone out there for everyone ( not all women want children either, although society then labels them as selfish) its just finding them, within the people who are in our lives, and you know what? I believe that they are there, we just sometimes have to change our scope of how we see others. Similar to the theory behind "The Secret".
Dear ZD,
Where did you grow up?
I am fascinated that your 'clubs' would allow what you're doing. Not to mention the 30-40something divorced women who are seeking the same male demographic, belong to the female mafia (aka Junior League) and would end anyone's social career they felt overreached.
Really, I am simply intrigued about what you are saying here.
your pal,
h4c
Where did you grow up?
I am fascinated that your 'clubs' would allow what you're doing. Not to mention the 30-40something divorced women who are seeking the same male demographic, belong to the female mafia (aka Junior League) and would end anyone's social career they felt overreached.
Really, I am simply intrigued about what you are saying here.
your pal,
h4c
H4C,
I grew up in New York and Palm Beach with heavy ties to the Mainline and DC, and a summer home in Toms River.
Ahahahaha, the female mafia. I laughed so hard I nearly had an accident. I know them too well. My Mother and all of her friends were the JL. The original ladies of champagne lunches and popping pills for dessert all under the guise of helping those less empowered. Please don’t misread my meaning.
They do exceptionally good work, but I remember the little get togethers at the house as well as watching my mother get ready for their events. But then again, that was a different era, whereas now they are more green and earthy then back in the day.
And I do understand all too well what you are referring to as to demographics. I have been fighting that for years. They are a very cut throat bunch.
The neighborhoods that I live in, I fight it, all the while, having a smile on my face, and hurt in my heart.
When I drive in, you can watch the floods of my neighborhood men all leave their yards and go back in. I once asked my neighbor why everyone went inside when I came home, did I do something to offend them? Well his wife wasn’t home, she was out shopping with the other neighbor, so he was able to actually talk to me, albeit briefly.
Apparently, even though all of these ladies would always have me over for lunch, and invite me to get togethers at their homes, and they genuinely liked me, they also were afraid of me, and that I might try to snatch one of their husbands up.
I have been fighting this for years. I don’t dress flashy or like a floozy, I don’t wear a lot of make-up, and am very understated if anything. But I do always try to look presentable. Believe me; connections can even be made at the market. LOL, and my idea of presentable is not misguided, I was well trained as a child (I am a deb) to always dress and behave in a certain manner.
It does cause for sadness for me. But I also don’t blame them. I just wish that they knew more of the truth.
That I am not looking to steal their husbands. LOL, I just want to borrow them, and many times, I help keep their marriages together, as well as help their husbands be better lovers and more understanding.
A lot of the pillow talk that goes on is about what is happening in my companion’s home life. Often I am the reason that they go ahead being a little more level headed, and able to deal with what is going on in the home front. I cannot tell you the times that I have given suggestions on ways that they can improve their sex life at home, or the times I have picked up gifts for them to give to their wives and even their children. I shit you not.
One gentleman that I saw was always so busy. Always on a plane. Always in a meeting. Always doing conference calls, even while we were together. I would travel with him on the majority of his trips. Normally about twice a month, normally for 4 days each trip.
His wife had 2 live in au pair (which I also grew up with) a live in housekeeper, as well as a live in chauffer. She still could not manage to figure out how to even apply lotion herself. The phone calls were insane. I would be sitting at his side while he would be talking to her. He would hang up the phone and just be in tears because of all that was on his shoulders.
While he was out at his meetings, yes, I would sit pool side for part of the time, but the other part, I was out shopping for clothes for the baby, books for the wife that would help her understand more on how to be more independent, pure lavender oils for her to add to her baths to relax her. If I bought perfume for her, I also bought the same for me, so that our scents would match, and it would not cause any issues. One time I actually made soaps for them. He loved it, because he could actually take home presents from me, without issues, use them, and when he was feeling stressed, the scent would remind him of our calming time together.
In the storm of his everyday life, he had a place to be with me, that brought him some peace, serenity, and calm to his life, as well as much needed passion, that helped him keep his shit together, so that he didn’t lose it at home, or in his business life. And if he lost it in his business life, his home life would have been destroyed.
The role of a TRUE courtesan is much different then what an escort, or even some of what the “modern day courtesan” is.
Many of these women don’t understand how different their lives would be if their husbands didn’t have the outlet they had with me.
As to how they deal with me at the club? They don’t know what I am doing. It’s never obvious. It’s very much underplayed. It’s much like when a man finds a mistress. We just tend to come to financial terms at a faster pace. And even that is done with subtly.
Most men at this level of the playing field don’t want that financial transaction to feel as though that is all there is to it.
Many times I am paid in advance for the month.
For example, one man who has been seeing me for well over two years felt more comfortable giving me a corporate Amex card that has a preset limit to it of 2500. There is never an envelope involved. I get a preset amount that we agreed on, take care of what I want to take care of, get to spend wonderful time with him, without an “envelope” hanging over our head. He then quietly just pays the bill when it arrives.
Another gentlemen that I saw for years, felt more comfortable in putting me into an investment property. We had a legal contract drawn up between the two of us, he paid the mortgage and utility bills each month, which he put into his corporations name. We had an agreement for a yearlong arrangement, with the option at the end of the year to revisit the terms.
At the end of the year, we moved forward to extend the agreement between us for another year. Within these terms, for my own protection, a clause was added that if at any time I wanted to break the arrangement, I could do so, and not lose the home, with the opportunity to purchase the home from him, but I would take over all payments. If for any reason he chose to break the arrangement, he would continue to pay the payment to the end of the term, when I would then have the option to buy the property.
It was also understood that I would still have other lovers, but that his time would never be interfered with.
We carried on for three years until a major personal issue occurred in his life, and it became an impossibility for us to continue. He had 3 back to back strokes. I honored my end, plus some, in that I took over all of the payments. There was just no way that he could honor his end, and there was no way that I would have ever expected him to. We are to this day, still very good friends.
Another gentlemen that I saw 4 times a month, for well over a year, really enjoyed shopping for me. So we came to the terms that I would give him a list of things that I wanted or needed, he would pick them up, and within the bags, there would also be an envelope with a certain pre-arranged amount in it. It was always kept to a certain amount, the shopping and the monies totaled.
I had another gentleman that after our 2ndtime together, wanted to set things up in a way that didn’t involve an exchange of cash between the two of us. He gave me one of his cars. It had been leased, so he just told his wife the lease was up, when he actually just purchased it flat out with cash. He wanted to do it this way as then he felt more comfortable knowing that it was a well-cared for car that he was putting me into. So that he could ensure that things would continue, we came to the agreement that both of our names would be on the title for a certain time frame. At the end of the time frame we removed his name from the title. He wanted to extend, so we then came up with another agreement that worked well for us.
Yes, there is always money involved, but it is not set up on the same level as just an “envelope”. It starts more with in the beginning us getting to know each other, and yes, money is given, but then normally develops into a way to allow it to be more than just an “envelope”.
When doing this at the clubs or through old school hookups, it is much more subtly done then just saying “Give me this amount for this amount of time.” Doing it the club way, if we are looking at more long term (which I prefer and have found that the men that I spend time with also prefer) takes a little longer to establish. There has only been two times that I have ever stated, when doing it this way, give me a certain amount upfront. And these were gentlemen that were really only seeking out a once in a while type of thing.
I genuinely like the men that I see, which is why I always try to be open minded in coming to terms, and understanding that, not only for marital reasons, but tax reasons as well, that at this level of the playing field, that sometimes one has to find creative ways to make things work. It also takes a high level of trust on both ends.
Like I have stated, it’s a different field that I play on then 90% of the “escorting world”. It’s a different type of art so to speak. More on the terms of what the original courtesans and paramours were about.
So you see, it isn’t quite so much like “trolling” ( shudders) and does actually have a little bit of finesse and well thought out options to it.
It’s what makes this “industry” so wonderful; it offers everyone levels that they can be comfortable with, be it 15 minute rolls, AMP’s, or long term friendships that go beyond the envelope.
Zephyrine
LOL, I had almost forgotten about this, but the most interesting arrangement I ever made, was by a well-known owner of a brokerage house. He gifted me the investment of being a partial owner of a Black Walnut tree farm. Sounds like a strange gift but it was one that I really appreciated, as it was one that he put a lot of thought into as he truly wanted to make sure that my future was more secure.
I grew up in New York and Palm Beach with heavy ties to the Mainline and DC, and a summer home in Toms River.
Ahahahaha, the female mafia. I laughed so hard I nearly had an accident. I know them too well. My Mother and all of her friends were the JL. The original ladies of champagne lunches and popping pills for dessert all under the guise of helping those less empowered. Please don’t misread my meaning.
They do exceptionally good work, but I remember the little get togethers at the house as well as watching my mother get ready for their events. But then again, that was a different era, whereas now they are more green and earthy then back in the day.
And I do understand all too well what you are referring to as to demographics. I have been fighting that for years. They are a very cut throat bunch.
The neighborhoods that I live in, I fight it, all the while, having a smile on my face, and hurt in my heart.
When I drive in, you can watch the floods of my neighborhood men all leave their yards and go back in. I once asked my neighbor why everyone went inside when I came home, did I do something to offend them? Well his wife wasn’t home, she was out shopping with the other neighbor, so he was able to actually talk to me, albeit briefly.
Apparently, even though all of these ladies would always have me over for lunch, and invite me to get togethers at their homes, and they genuinely liked me, they also were afraid of me, and that I might try to snatch one of their husbands up.
I have been fighting this for years. I don’t dress flashy or like a floozy, I don’t wear a lot of make-up, and am very understated if anything. But I do always try to look presentable. Believe me; connections can even be made at the market. LOL, and my idea of presentable is not misguided, I was well trained as a child (I am a deb) to always dress and behave in a certain manner.
It does cause for sadness for me. But I also don’t blame them. I just wish that they knew more of the truth.
That I am not looking to steal their husbands. LOL, I just want to borrow them, and many times, I help keep their marriages together, as well as help their husbands be better lovers and more understanding.
A lot of the pillow talk that goes on is about what is happening in my companion’s home life. Often I am the reason that they go ahead being a little more level headed, and able to deal with what is going on in the home front. I cannot tell you the times that I have given suggestions on ways that they can improve their sex life at home, or the times I have picked up gifts for them to give to their wives and even their children. I shit you not.
One gentleman that I saw was always so busy. Always on a plane. Always in a meeting. Always doing conference calls, even while we were together. I would travel with him on the majority of his trips. Normally about twice a month, normally for 4 days each trip.
His wife had 2 live in au pair (which I also grew up with) a live in housekeeper, as well as a live in chauffer. She still could not manage to figure out how to even apply lotion herself. The phone calls were insane. I would be sitting at his side while he would be talking to her. He would hang up the phone and just be in tears because of all that was on his shoulders.
While he was out at his meetings, yes, I would sit pool side for part of the time, but the other part, I was out shopping for clothes for the baby, books for the wife that would help her understand more on how to be more independent, pure lavender oils for her to add to her baths to relax her. If I bought perfume for her, I also bought the same for me, so that our scents would match, and it would not cause any issues. One time I actually made soaps for them. He loved it, because he could actually take home presents from me, without issues, use them, and when he was feeling stressed, the scent would remind him of our calming time together.
In the storm of his everyday life, he had a place to be with me, that brought him some peace, serenity, and calm to his life, as well as much needed passion, that helped him keep his shit together, so that he didn’t lose it at home, or in his business life. And if he lost it in his business life, his home life would have been destroyed.
The role of a TRUE courtesan is much different then what an escort, or even some of what the “modern day courtesan” is.
Many of these women don’t understand how different their lives would be if their husbands didn’t have the outlet they had with me.
As to how they deal with me at the club? They don’t know what I am doing. It’s never obvious. It’s very much underplayed. It’s much like when a man finds a mistress. We just tend to come to financial terms at a faster pace. And even that is done with subtly.
Most men at this level of the playing field don’t want that financial transaction to feel as though that is all there is to it.
Many times I am paid in advance for the month.
For example, one man who has been seeing me for well over two years felt more comfortable giving me a corporate Amex card that has a preset limit to it of 2500. There is never an envelope involved. I get a preset amount that we agreed on, take care of what I want to take care of, get to spend wonderful time with him, without an “envelope” hanging over our head. He then quietly just pays the bill when it arrives.
Another gentlemen that I saw for years, felt more comfortable in putting me into an investment property. We had a legal contract drawn up between the two of us, he paid the mortgage and utility bills each month, which he put into his corporations name. We had an agreement for a yearlong arrangement, with the option at the end of the year to revisit the terms.
At the end of the year, we moved forward to extend the agreement between us for another year. Within these terms, for my own protection, a clause was added that if at any time I wanted to break the arrangement, I could do so, and not lose the home, with the opportunity to purchase the home from him, but I would take over all payments. If for any reason he chose to break the arrangement, he would continue to pay the payment to the end of the term, when I would then have the option to buy the property.
It was also understood that I would still have other lovers, but that his time would never be interfered with.
We carried on for three years until a major personal issue occurred in his life, and it became an impossibility for us to continue. He had 3 back to back strokes. I honored my end, plus some, in that I took over all of the payments. There was just no way that he could honor his end, and there was no way that I would have ever expected him to. We are to this day, still very good friends.
Another gentlemen that I saw 4 times a month, for well over a year, really enjoyed shopping for me. So we came to the terms that I would give him a list of things that I wanted or needed, he would pick them up, and within the bags, there would also be an envelope with a certain pre-arranged amount in it. It was always kept to a certain amount, the shopping and the monies totaled.
I had another gentleman that after our 2ndtime together, wanted to set things up in a way that didn’t involve an exchange of cash between the two of us. He gave me one of his cars. It had been leased, so he just told his wife the lease was up, when he actually just purchased it flat out with cash. He wanted to do it this way as then he felt more comfortable knowing that it was a well-cared for car that he was putting me into. So that he could ensure that things would continue, we came to the agreement that both of our names would be on the title for a certain time frame. At the end of the time frame we removed his name from the title. He wanted to extend, so we then came up with another agreement that worked well for us.
Yes, there is always money involved, but it is not set up on the same level as just an “envelope”. It starts more with in the beginning us getting to know each other, and yes, money is given, but then normally develops into a way to allow it to be more than just an “envelope”.
When doing this at the clubs or through old school hookups, it is much more subtly done then just saying “Give me this amount for this amount of time.” Doing it the club way, if we are looking at more long term (which I prefer and have found that the men that I spend time with also prefer) takes a little longer to establish. There has only been two times that I have ever stated, when doing it this way, give me a certain amount upfront. And these were gentlemen that were really only seeking out a once in a while type of thing.
I genuinely like the men that I see, which is why I always try to be open minded in coming to terms, and understanding that, not only for marital reasons, but tax reasons as well, that at this level of the playing field, that sometimes one has to find creative ways to make things work. It also takes a high level of trust on both ends.
Like I have stated, it’s a different field that I play on then 90% of the “escorting world”. It’s a different type of art so to speak. More on the terms of what the original courtesans and paramours were about.
So you see, it isn’t quite so much like “trolling” ( shudders) and does actually have a little bit of finesse and well thought out options to it.
It’s what makes this “industry” so wonderful; it offers everyone levels that they can be comfortable with, be it 15 minute rolls, AMP’s, or long term friendships that go beyond the envelope.
Zephyrine
LOL, I had almost forgotten about this, but the most interesting arrangement I ever made, was by a well-known owner of a brokerage house. He gifted me the investment of being a partial owner of a Black Walnut tree farm. Sounds like a strange gift but it was one that I really appreciated, as it was one that he put a lot of thought into as he truly wanted to make sure that my future was more secure.
Fascinating stories from ZD. I hope you never tire of discussing your version of the "high life" as the Miller Beer truck driver so eloquently calls it.
Since you are a country club member, perhaps you are a golfer as well. There is a very exclusive c.c. call Phar Mor in Putnam County. I'd like to invite you to join me there for a round some time. If you don't mind, I'd like to have Superwoman as my caddy (she likes golf) and I will arrange for the redoubtable Bill Furniture to come out of retirement to caddy for you. How about it?
Chels, To the Manor Born!
Since you are a country club member, perhaps you are a golfer as well. There is a very exclusive c.c. call Phar Mor in Putnam County. I'd like to invite you to join me there for a round some time. If you don't mind, I'd like to have Superwoman as my caddy (she likes golf) and I will arrange for the redoubtable Bill Furniture to come out of retirement to caddy for you. How about it?
Chels, To the Manor Born!
NYChelsea, Hi! Yay, another clubber. Thank you for asking, I would love to and Putnam County is an easy drive. If I was to come, would it be alright if I was to ask to bring my dearest friend, Cara Saint James along?
LOL, the stories. Ahh, what can I say, I am a true to the heart courtesan and love the attention. All kidding aside, I do enjoy the interaction and being able to, with hope, dispel some of the myths when it comes to women in this industry.
Granted, some of them are true. There are drug addicts, alcoholics, and people who support others who are abusive, (as is found in any occupation) but there is also the other side, which I think more began to become aware of when Ann Marie, The Educated Escort, began to blog and have her presence known on another, now defunct Texas board.
It always surprises me when I realize that sometimes it’s not so well known that some of us do actually understand marketing, taxation, setting up corporations for ourselves, or LLC’s, and that we do have plausible means to explain our earnings, that we are able to belong to clubs, purchase homes, and many times do have a wide array of talents outside of this world. It’s all of those talents and knowledge, plus some, that pushes us forward to a different level in this industry.
Let me know if it is okay to invite Cara, and if you have any specific time frame in mind. And thank you, it was very kind of you to extend the invite to me.
LOL, the stories. Ahh, what can I say, I am a true to the heart courtesan and love the attention. All kidding aside, I do enjoy the interaction and being able to, with hope, dispel some of the myths when it comes to women in this industry.
Granted, some of them are true. There are drug addicts, alcoholics, and people who support others who are abusive, (as is found in any occupation) but there is also the other side, which I think more began to become aware of when Ann Marie, The Educated Escort, began to blog and have her presence known on another, now defunct Texas board.
It always surprises me when I realize that sometimes it’s not so well known that some of us do actually understand marketing, taxation, setting up corporations for ourselves, or LLC’s, and that we do have plausible means to explain our earnings, that we are able to belong to clubs, purchase homes, and many times do have a wide array of talents outside of this world. It’s all of those talents and knowledge, plus some, that pushes us forward to a different level in this industry.
Let me know if it is okay to invite Cara, and if you have any specific time frame in mind. And thank you, it was very kind of you to extend the invite to me.
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Well, Zephyrine, I'm pleasantly surprised that you answered so quickly. Naturally, the course has to open in order for us to play! I expect it to oepn of the season some time in April - it is very wet in some places.
By the way, it is the course that was formerly owned by AIG. Maurice Greenberg's (sp)weekend home is directly across the street from the entrance.
Looking forward to a challenging round of golf, not to mention an enjoyable 19th hole.
Chels
By the way, it is the course that was formerly owned by AIG. Maurice Greenberg's (sp)weekend home is directly across the street from the entrance.
Looking forward to a challenging round of golf, not to mention an enjoyable 19th hole.
Chels
NYChelsea, LOL, its okay, I think that we both had a bit of a brain freeze. I was thinking of a cc in a whole different state! A state not far off, but still a different state.
H4C, I don't post photo's on boards, only because once they are posted on boards, I no longer have any control of them, and with the life that I lead, I don't need, nor do my companions, need for my photos to be found on sites like this. I am sure that you understand. They are however on the mess, that I call my site .
H4C, I don't post photo's on boards, only because once they are posted on boards, I no longer have any control of them, and with the life that I lead, I don't need, nor do my companions, need for my photos to be found on sites like this. I am sure that you understand. They are however on the mess, that I call my site .
ZD,
Excellent discussion.
My husband and I are master degreed professionals in marketing.
You have a sound understanding of your market - it shows.
Like you, my husband and I cater to a very select and highly targeted niche, that we enjoy thoroughly.
We'd love to swap a few stories, insights, thoughts if you are up to it.
Thank you for spending so much time to share your thoughts here.
xxoo
Christine & Alex
www.flirtywife.com
Excellent discussion.
My husband and I are master degreed professionals in marketing.
You have a sound understanding of your market - it shows.
Like you, my husband and I cater to a very select and highly targeted niche, that we enjoy thoroughly.
We'd love to swap a few stories, insights, thoughts if you are up to it.
Thank you for spending so much time to share your thoughts here.
xxoo
Christine & Alex
www.flirtywife.com
Dear ZD,
I have a site too - 71st & Madison, which corner do you walk?
I understand you dont have photos - its ok. I can take them for you. My photo shoot theme would be upscale hooker with a heart of gold who cares about little people. You know, all arty, intellectual to appeal to the upscale male who is so cool. It'd be all grainy, black and white stuff. I have a Kodak and a Polarod cameras, I know, all up to date and wow. Meet me by the 55th & West Side Highway Sanitation Garage, wear high heels, a tight miniskirt and a fur coat. I have some red paint, so we can spray the soles of your shoes so people think you have expensive stuff.
Let me know
your pal
h4c
I have a site too - 71st & Madison, which corner do you walk?
I understand you dont have photos - its ok. I can take them for you. My photo shoot theme would be upscale hooker with a heart of gold who cares about little people. You know, all arty, intellectual to appeal to the upscale male who is so cool. It'd be all grainy, black and white stuff. I have a Kodak and a Polarod cameras, I know, all up to date and wow. Meet me by the 55th & West Side Highway Sanitation Garage, wear high heels, a tight miniskirt and a fur coat. I have some red paint, so we can spray the soles of your shoes so people think you have expensive stuff.
Let me know
your pal
h4c
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Christine and Alex, I was forwarded your message, thank you! I will be responding to it shortly.
H4C, funny, funny, funny guy! As stated, I do have photos; I just do not post them onto boards as I do not choose to relinquish control of them.
LOL, please, leave the spray can behind, I am not a woman who has to find her importance in what I wear, and rather choose to wear what I want to wear, not dictated by the amount spent on someone else’s name. For that matter I am not a huge fan of Louboutin shoes, although I do admire his marketing. What better way to almost “force” those who are name conscious to buy your shoes? Any woman who wants the world to know she is wearing expensive shoes realizes that by wearing CD’s shoes everyone else will know by the red soles.
Much like the LV bags. I have a ton of them, but they sit in their dust covers, in their boxes, still tied with their bows, only bringing them out when I know the person that I am seeing draws from the very name game thing. I personally think they are ugly, lack much in design, although the luggage is well made and that I never will have to purchase luggage again.
Photo shoot at the Sanitation Garage? Interesting concept. At least it would be at one of the most highly valued pieces of NYC property and would keep me well away from my own neighborhood of the upper 60’s in the Park and Madison areas. ( In other words, if you are at 71st and Madison, I am 2 blocks from you, in a building with a 700 for its number)
Hmm, I wish that my old favorite restaurant was still open, The Right Bank. I would have asked you to meet me there for lunch or dinner. Quiet. You had to go down a few steps, so it afforded a little privacy from people peeking in. Low key. Decent food. And not over run by hordes of people, so it allowed for conversation. Were you in the neighborhood when it was still open?
Hmm, perhaps le Paris bistrot? It affords privacy from passerby’s on the upper level.
Your pal,
Zephyrine
H4C, funny, funny, funny guy! As stated, I do have photos; I just do not post them onto boards as I do not choose to relinquish control of them.
LOL, please, leave the spray can behind, I am not a woman who has to find her importance in what I wear, and rather choose to wear what I want to wear, not dictated by the amount spent on someone else’s name. For that matter I am not a huge fan of Louboutin shoes, although I do admire his marketing. What better way to almost “force” those who are name conscious to buy your shoes? Any woman who wants the world to know she is wearing expensive shoes realizes that by wearing CD’s shoes everyone else will know by the red soles.
Much like the LV bags. I have a ton of them, but they sit in their dust covers, in their boxes, still tied with their bows, only bringing them out when I know the person that I am seeing draws from the very name game thing. I personally think they are ugly, lack much in design, although the luggage is well made and that I never will have to purchase luggage again.
Photo shoot at the Sanitation Garage? Interesting concept. At least it would be at one of the most highly valued pieces of NYC property and would keep me well away from my own neighborhood of the upper 60’s in the Park and Madison areas. ( In other words, if you are at 71st and Madison, I am 2 blocks from you, in a building with a 700 for its number)
Hmm, I wish that my old favorite restaurant was still open, The Right Bank. I would have asked you to meet me there for lunch or dinner. Quiet. You had to go down a few steps, so it afforded a little privacy from people peeking in. Low key. Decent food. And not over run by hordes of people, so it allowed for conversation. Were you in the neighborhood when it was still open?
Hmm, perhaps le Paris bistrot? It affords privacy from passerby’s on the upper level.
Your pal,
Zephyrine