There is no honor among Hobbyists

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#22
Re: like the illiad and the odyssey

Originally posted by h. von bingen
required reading:

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18494
I have a strong feeling that CB's complaint is not about a business relationship and is not in the least bit pertinant to this thread.

If you're trying to broaden the issue here to discuss the nature of internet relationships or even relationships in general or disappointment or failures in human relationships, then your link might be somehow loosely related to the topic. However, if the latter is your point you might as well link the whole board to this thread.
 
#25
Sorry, you're referring back to his title. I think we're talking about property rights and not honour here. His stable, his references, no honoring of his primary rights. He feels dishonored or foolish for losing a good thing by "helping" his "friends" and/or the girls out. Go figure.
 
#26
that's what i was saying:

there's no dishonour in the girls earning more.
there's no dishonour in the posters not passing along ***** addresses.

(okay, re: your edit. we're on the same page.)
 
#27
I was probably re-editing that last post while you were typing yours. Yes, agreed. When we start to look at these issues as matters of honor then it's sort of self-evident that a lot of puffery and self-deception is going on. Honor among....? Strikes me as ludicrous.
 
#28
Originally posted by elliot16
Finally, the ****** option was exploited by internet "pimps" who obtained freebies from girls for touting them to members through back-channeling. These are probably just a few of many reasons which led him to discontinue the ****** option.
This sir was the most insidious thing about back channeling through ******. Where posters would extort working girls for special services in exchange for a positive review. When I actually found out how wide spread this was, I popped a gasket. I think it was this aspect of mongering that made me appreciate the AMPs more. I’ve seen too many AMP women turn away a customer who was a jerk. These women have moxy and take no shit.

Dan,

You cannot imagine the esteem I have for you. If your off-board personality is anything like your on-board personae, then you are a one of kind gentleman. Please do not take this the wrong way, but this is a board for reviewing the services of working girls of all shades. What we do is illicit, and potentially dangerous in so many ways. You do not find many well-adjusted happily content people in this sphere of human existence. If anything, there is a preponderance of malcontents. I hardly trust myself, not to talk about someone met in an environment such as UG. I share here because I want to, and do not worry about the guy next to me. If I care for a particular provider, I do not share period. If she asks if I have friends, I tell her I do not discuss such things with anyone. I plan to die with the knowledge of this aspect of who I am. If you share, then just do it and do it because you like doing so, and know you take a risk doing so. If you don’t share, then don’t, but not because something some other guy does. Why do you think we have so many lurkers and so few posters- too many self-serving selfish posers out there? You my friend stay real and genuine, there are too few human beings like you out there. Share nonsense if you have to, but always remain generous with a big heart. Yours is such a rare quality, and the world is out to extinguish people with such character traits. Hope I made some sense in this drivel.

Regards,

Pop
 

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#31
Originally posted by popeye
I think it was this aspect of mongering that made me appreciate the AMPs more. I’ve seen too many AMP women turn away a customer who was a jerk. These women have moxy and take no shit.

But they are prone to attempting to manipulate the boards (especially this one) just as much as anyone else.
 
#33
Re: Re: like the illiad and the odyssey

Originally posted by elliot16
I have a strong feeling that CB's complaint is not about a business relationship and is not in the least bit pertinant to this thread.

If you're trying to broaden the issue here to discuss the nature of internet relationships or even relationships in general or disappointment or failures in human relationships, then your link might be somehow loosely related to the topic. However, if the latter is your point you might as well link the whole board to this thread.
you're so serious elliot, lighten up babe. there is a connection actually, but it's funny and attenuated.
 
#35
Originally posted by slinkybender
But they are prone to attempting to manipulate the boards (especially this one) just as much as anyone else.
Slink,

Thanks for making that comment regarding AMPs and the manipulation of reviews on the Internet. There was a time, prior to two to three years ago, when I never saw any reviews of AMPs on the Internet. Mind you I was never a member of JAG, ASPNet, and other members only review sites- kind of stumbled onto this stuff. I just used to check out a few popular escort sites and that was it. Then in the past couple of years I noticed everywhere I turn the AMP is openly discussed. It is just amazing. I’ve been frequenting AMPs for a long time and getting fully serviced at such establishments. It just seemed that traditionally information on AMPs could only be found in alternative print media such as Screw Magazine and the Village Voice.

And yes, with the prominence of the Internet I have noticed some of the same abuses occurring with those AMPs that service non-Asians. Which is why I have worked harder to get into more selective establishments. But you are very correct in your assessment, and I’ve noticed it as well.

Regards,

Pop
 
#36
Thanks for all the feedback. Even those that tried to chide me. For doing so , you made me realize that my own deceptions occasionally are at the root of my own undoing.

Happy Hooker stated:

Daniel, no offense, but how can you expect honor among johns? Especially johns that have never even met each other??????

This is a dog eat dog world. It's every dog for themselves.
Of course you are spot on. I do not really know these people.

Sexy Whore wrote:

So what is it exactly that you're complaining about? the fact that you're utr whores wised up to your taking advantage of them by keeping them for hours and paying them streetwalkers donations or the fact that you were exposed for being a bottom bitch john.
Sure, quilty as charged. I have kept company and paid them what some would consider undermarket for their time and services. But at the time it was an arrangement willing entered into by both parties. If you were buying an antique that you knew was quite rare and valuable and you offerred the proprietor much less than its value, would you feel bad about it? He made money and you got a good deal. But you can't discount the times I contributed greatly towards their rent without any reciprocation. As far as being exposed as a bottom bitch John, I think you have me confused with someone else.

h. von bingin wrote:
i'm not sure what danielnyc's gripe is:

a) is his gripe that girls stop seeing him after awhile or
b) is his gripe that a poster here would not give him a working girl's ***** address?

if it's a, well maybe he should pay market value (and isn't).
if it's b, is every poster obligated to turn over ***** information?
Actually I have not had any provider refuse to see me, in fact as prices have increased, they have never raised my rate. But occasionally they get turned off to this "thing of ours" after meeting one too many inconsiderate johns

Secondly the e - mail addy was not of a provider, but of a rather astute female contributor. I respect that persons wishes for not wishing to engage in backchannelling for he is one of the good guys and I do trust him.

Popeye, Eliot, thanks for tour input.

I posted this this morning, not because all these things happenned last week, rather they have been building up over time.

When I sent that e - mail requesting that info, and found out that it was happennig to another poster I respect, well I got angry.

It is nice to have this "sounding board" to bounce ideas and thoughts around, then again I am entitled to a jury of my peers.
 
#37
Originally posted by popeye

Dan,

You cannot imagine the esteem I have for you. If your off-board personality is anything like your on-board personae, then you are a one of kind gentleman. Please do not take this the wrong way, but this is a board for reviewing the services of working girls of all shades. What we do is illicit, and potentially dangerous in so many ways. You do not find many well-adjusted happily content people in this sphere of human existence. If anything, there is a preponderance of malcontents. I hardly trust myself, not to talk about someone met in an environment such as UG. I share here because I want to, and do not worry about the guy next to me. If I care for a particular provider, I do not share period. If she asks if I have friends, I tell her I do not discuss such things with anyone. I plan to die with the knowledge of this aspect of who I am. If you share, then just do it and do it because you like doing so, and know you take a risk doing so. If you don’t share, then don’t, but not because something some other guy does. Why do you think we have so many lurkers and so few posters- too many self-serving selfish posers out there? You my friend stay real and genuine, there are too few human beings like you out there. Share nonsense if you have to, but always remain generous with a big heart. Yours is such a rare quality, and the world is out to extinguish people with such character traits. Hope I made some sense in this drivel.

Regards,

Pop

I will bookmark this post so that I may never forget the lesson you just taught here.

I appreciate the kind and heartfelt comments, it is posters such as yourself that make this site worthwhile.
 
#40
Originally posted by Daniel_NYC
No, I am not Catelli.
Do you see how this shit rubs off on you?
I think we need some animal references here, but I'm not sure whether it should be the one about laying down with dogs or sleeping with the fishes.
 
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