Holy shit don't you know anything before you post. You got every single thing you wrote... wrong
Ozzy, F&F was started during the W. Bush years
Wrong... F&F was started in the fall of 2009 by the Phoenix Branch of the ATF. Because the operation involved international cooperation (Mexico) or placing agents across borders, required a sign off by the highest level of the Justice Dept. Similar to the current AP scandal getting those subpenas, it required the signature of only the Director of the Justice Dept (Eric Holder) or his Deputy Director (David Ogden).
I don't see how an ATF program started under W. is an current AG blame when he ended it. how should Eric Holder who stopped the program be held responsible.
Wrong... You've just been schooled above that Bush had nothing to do with this. And Holder didn't end anything... he started it. More than 2,000 gun were illegally sold by undercover ATF agents to Mexican gun smugglers over two weeks in Sept 2009. Guns the ATF hoped would lead them to drug kingpins or smuggler routes. Instead only days after they sold the guns... they lost track of most of them (more than 1,700). Of those 1,700, 1,300 have never been recovered and over 200 have since turned up as murder weapons at homicide scenes on both sides of the border... including the gun used to kill a US border agent. That's when the shit hit the fan and the press and congress demanded answers. Holder ended nothing. When he was hauled in front of congress and asked about it... He claimed he didn't know. Then when congress asked to see who signed the Federal Order he or his deputy would have had to sign off on... he fired his deputy (David Ogden) and refused to hand it over and made history when he became
the first presidential cabinet member to be held in contempt of congress... EVER. Holy fucking shit and he didn't go to jail for that. Obama rather than lie about his knowledge, invoked executive privilege in regards to answering any questions from congress about F&F.
Is the JD part of the ATF now?
I'm gonna school you again... so listen so we don't have to do this again.
The ATF, FBI, DEA, US Marshal Service are all divisions of the "Investigative Branch" of the Justice Dept. And it's not something new... it's been that way since the JD was formed in 1870 and as each division came into existence they went under the jurisdiction of the JD. They each have their own Director, they ALL answer DIRECTLY to the Justice Dept Director (Holder) or his Deputy Director. Before they proceed with any major or international operation they have to ask their bosses at the JD if they can legally do it. No division of the investigative branch ever operates as a renegade. Ie... they don't take a fucking piss without their bosses in Washington telling them to. And that means getting signed approval by only The Director of the JD, the Deputy Director of the JD or the President.
The Secret Service was part of the Department of the Treasury until Bush formed Homeland Security and now it's part of that. The CIA and NSA are enigmas. They're not part of the JD, Homeland, the State Dept or the military. They are independent and have Directors but pretty much answer only to the president... and sometimes not even him.