Setting your price point

betty_snj · Aug 4, 2002

I don't mind be used as example....use & abuse of me people!!!
I don't have any intentions of market testing because I'm happy with my present income and my clients never complains about my rates at all.
Au contraire, their comments are all about how great and reasonable they are.
Now, talking about hiking prices....when doing incall in the AC area, I use a Hotel on route 30.
Well, it's been couple months since I've been there, so when a client called saying he could escape for few hours from a family gathering to meet me, I suggested coming to my usual spot.
Well, I was booking the room, the clerk got my ID and when I asked how much I could not believe it.
The place was 69 dollars couple months ago. Today was 249 + tax...
I went to 6 different places and the cheapest was 149 bucks.
I called my client, asked him to kill some time so I could find a decent priced place.
Needless to say, we ended up at the "Bates Motel" few miles inland and we broke the bed lol...
I'm not using that area for incalls until the summer is over, otherwise I will have to increase my rates to absorb the hotel costs.

greekgirlinnj · Aug 4, 2002

Originally posted by jp1064
Some questions I'd like to ask (no offense),

1. What about the tips? Are you all including those in your calculations. I have never left less then a $30 tip on top of the $$$ charge. I average a $50 tip. Is everyone tipping indies or not?

2. Why is incall usually less then outcall? Why not pass these hotel charges to the client and lower the outcall to reverse the incall trend and make more money or the same on outcall.

3. Taxes. Do you pay them on this money?

4. Gifts? I gave a great indie a computer once as a tip. No rate adjustment was requested or required by me. I liked her.

I am totally reminded of my old regular indie who swears she made 6 figures at $.5 incall prices, although she probably did see 6-8 clients a day 7 days per week. Her attitude was to take as many clients from the competition as possible since she knew the average per regular client would only be 3-4 visits, and had to keep new clientel coming in. I saw her 8 times over 6 months until she quit to get into real estate.

And also, you know a lot of guys pay for and hour, take 15 minutes, and are out of there 5 minutes later. As told to me by a provider.

Not trying to be negative towards anyone, just curious. Please don't any providers be offended.

greekgirlinnj · Aug 4, 2002

Originally posted by jp1064
Some questions I'd like to ask (no offense),

1. What about the tips? Are you all including those in your calculations. I have never left less then a $30 tip on top of the $$$ charge. I average a $50 tip. Is everyone tipping indies or not?

2. Why is incall usually less then outcall? Why not pass these hotel charges to the client and lower the outcall to reverse the incall trend and make more money or the same on outcall.

3. Taxes. Do you pay them on this money?

4. Gifts? I gave a great indie a computer once as a tip. No rate adjustment was requested or required by me. I liked her.

I am totally reminded of my old regular indie who swears she made 6 figures at $.5 incall prices, although she probably did see 6-8 clients a day 7 days per week. Her attitude was to take as many clients from the competition as possible since she knew the average per regular client would only be 3-4 visits, and had to keep new clientel coming in. I saw her 8 times over 6 months until she quit to get into real estate.

And also, you know a lot of guys pay for and hour, take 15 minutes, and are out of there 5 minutes later. As told to me by a provider.

Not trying to be negative towards anyone, just curious. Please don't any providers be offended.

jp yes some men do tip....which is very kind of the gentlemen to do so but imho it is totally not neccessary and if u read my post before i do lower my rate if a hotel room is a meeting place and i usually give an extra half hour which seems to make them happy...

greekgirlinnj · Aug 4, 2002

i did an outcall to new brunswick area and only charged 25 bucks more (it was a private residence) he tipped me 50 which i gave back to him because i really didnt feel it was neccessary...

but i have to say this thread got me thinking about lowering my rates especially for my good clients..

greekgirlinnj · Aug 4, 2002

Re: savings & health care

this is probably one of the sole reasons i keep my real job because of my 401k and medical, dental and vision benefits

candie · Aug 4, 2002

market might be unstable but business for the 300 and up girls, businesses are booming right now. I would think in september rates just might begin to go up again when things become nuts due to summer being over.

It might slow down around the middle of october as november <repeat, for the 300 and over providers> its said that, a certain trail from florida is to take place. Election time too.

I know my stock market regulars can't book with me right now but frankly, I now am seeing tons of traveling clients which had just about died after 9 11

There will always be groups of levels of clients. I have learned that there is a large number of clients who refuse to use the internet which astounds me but one thing is for sure, I won't see anyone who barters with me and trys to play the "lower your rate game" mainly cause I just dont have to.

I am though thinking of coming up with something within the next few months that is sort of a "thank you" for the regulars as if it wasnt for them I wouldnt of reached my goal in what I set out to do. I do believe in paybacks as I am quite grateful of what has happened. I can't go into details due to it being of a personal nature but............. most know already.

xxxcandie

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Flounder · Aug 4, 2002

Originally posted by betty_snj

Well, I was booking the room, the clerk got my ID and when I asked how much I could not believe it.
The place was 69 dollars couple months ago. Today was 249 + tax...
I went to 6 different places and the cheapest was 149 bucks.
I called my client, asked him to kill some time so I could find a decent priced place.
Needless to say, we ended up at the "Bates Motel" few miles inland and we broke the bed lol...
I'm not using that area for incalls until the summer is over, otherwise I will have to increase my rates to absorb the hotel costs.

The rooms at the Trump Marina were only $59 a night, what's going on with the pricing?!?

I'll help you break a bed Betty.

betty_snj · Aug 4, 2002

I know....I told them for that price I could get a room at the Taj.
But, at this time of the year, hotels close to vacation areas just raise their prices a lot.

Lets break some beds...cum over Delixxx!!!!

Flounder · Aug 4, 2002

Originally posted by betty_snj
I know....I told them for that price I could get a room at the Taj.
But, at this time of the year, hotels close to vacation areas just raise their prices a lot.

Lets break some beds...cum over Delixxx!!!!

You got it baby!

San_Te · Aug 4, 2002

Re: I don't get it San_Te

First, let me be clear I am not telling anybody to do anything. A person can run their business as they see fit. The free market will be the ultimate judge as to whether it is successful or not.

I made the post because Kimmie stated she runs in the negative, even on a good month. Well, it isn't rocket science, but there are two things to do to turn that around; increase revenues or decrease expenses. I would suggest a combination of both. Kimmie stated she couldn't cut her fees because she was in the red every month. As Slinky pointed out, the market doesn't care about an individuals expenses when setting rates. I pointed out one may be able to increase revenue by cutting fees and getting more business resulting in an increase in TOTAL revenue. Since Kimmie states she can't cut her rates because she runs a loss every month I pointed out she can cut back on expenses. It appears she doesn't want to take either course of action so she must accept the fact she is going to run in the negative every month.

Yes, I made the point everybody can do with less. This is not in conflict with anything I have said. What did the escorts do before there were cell phones? I guess they didn't do any business 15 or 20 years ago and were sending up smoke signals. As to cars, I guess everybody in Manhattan owns a car; yeah right. Why doesn't everybody in Manhattan own a car? Maybe, it is more economical to walk, take a bus, a train or a cab. Hell, it might do alot of good walking now that 60% of the country is obese. As to it being a necessity in the suburbs isn't that a choice? Don't some people who don't own a car take that into consideration and move to an area where they could walk or take public transportation? Kimmie also stated she spends 1k in hotel expenses per month for 2 days a week of incall. Might it be possible to get an apartment for her incall? It might be cost effective. I know, I know, apartment rates are soooo high in Manhattan. Well, what if she shared an apartment with one or two other ladies. Might it then be cost effective? There are alternatives to everything! Businesses which fail to look for these alternatives will loose out to those who do and are able to adapt.

In closing, everybody seems to make everything seem soooo complicated. If one doesn't have enough money at the end of the month, either find a way to increase revenue and/or decrease expense. It is that simple!

Kimmie · Aug 4, 2002

San Te you still don't get it.

I dont live in NYC.

I live in Orange County NY. Without a car I am fucked. I can't ask the cow down the road for a ride when I have a call. I NEED a car.

If I lived in NYC, I could use public transportation. There is NO public transportation up here in west bubble fuck. And surely not one that will transport me to my calls.

I live where I live to give my kids a better life. I dont need to move to a place with public transportation. I need to live where my family is safe. So cut the shit already because now you are pissing me off assuming shit about me. You have no clue.

I have stated numerous times in this thread that I am willing to accept the fact that I am in the negative AT THIS TIME because at one point I was totally burnt out from seeing too many clients in a week. I know what I need to do to increase my revenue. I need to say yes to every single call and ***** I receive. But I don't want to put myself in that position.

I am sure I will be taking on more clients soon, but at this time I need to cut back.

I am no dummy. I know what I need to do to get out of the red. But sometimes "ya gotta do what ya gotta do." I feel that by cutting back on the amount of clients I see, I have added a few more months to me being in this biz.

Do you get it now? I am quite happy where I am right now.

Am I making less then 3 months ago when my rate was 200 hr? YES.

Does it bother me? NO. Because I have cut back on my wear and tear.

Slinky Bender · Aug 4, 2002

And with a car ?

Slinky Bender · Aug 4, 2002

While I can't speak for anyone else, this has been exactly my point all along. That is, very often cutting back on one's rate will end up with higher revenue, not lower. At the same time, anyone who is happy with their revenue "as is" doesn't need to lower their rate since "revenue enhancement" isn't their goal.

Casper · Aug 4, 2002

Fucked even more

San_Te · Aug 4, 2002

Kimmie, I got it all along but I don't think you understand what I have been saying. These are all your CHOICES. If you are happy with your choices then great. However, it still doesn't change the economic laws. As you state, you are making less money now at a higher rate than you were at a lower rate. This was the whole topic of this thread. If providers aren't happy with their business they should consider lowering their rates in this economy. Thank you for finally stating this fact!

Kimmie · Aug 4, 2002

San te

I dont want to get in a pissing match with you, cuz I can piss further then any men I know.... But if that is all you were trying to say then why did you bring up the shit about me not needing a car, getting an apartment for my incalls, cutting back on my expenses, which are all necessary if you have kids, and a long list of brilliant ideas you had for someone whos situation you had no damn clue about.

I kept saying in every damn post, I didnt mind taking the loss until I am ready to see more clients a week.

Direct your comments, and offer your advice, to the ladies who do want to see more clients at a lower rate.

San_Te · Aug 4, 2002

Easy question to answer Kimmie; it was in response to what you said in your original post, and I quote:

"Lower my prices? No. Sorry I can't. I am already in the negative, and that was a GOOD month.

If I didnt need to put a roof over my families head, maybe I could..

If my local supermarket lowers their food prices, if my phone company lowers their rates, if my kids don't require to be fed or clothed then MAYBE I could lower my rates."

I think many escorts hold this point of view and why I used your situation as an example. Kimmie you stated you couldn't lower your rates because you are already in the negative. However, you later stated raising your rates resulted in less income. Doesn't this result in a greater shortfall making it more difficult to pay those expenses you cited as to why you couldn't lower your rates in the first place? This was the whole point of the thread when Captian suggested that providers who aren't happy with their income should consider reducing rates in a poor economy to generate more income. This is nothing personal, it is just basic business.

Kimmie · Aug 4, 2002

San te has a thing for me. I just know it.....

Flounder · Aug 4, 2002

Damn, I was gonna say that!

jp1064 · Aug 4, 2002

Kimmie, give him a really low rate, and f**k the s**t out of him! He'll become a regular.

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