Poll: Discriminatory practices of providers

[Cat_Ballou]

As I said, if force is a factor, it immediately shifts to new territory, and even more so if the force involved is used in order for the club to provide women at a lesser cost. But I still am not clear on... well, too many things, and my ignorance of this subject is too vast, so I'll leave it alone...

It's been interesting, that's for sure...

 

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
For one person it's an A-1 BBBJ from a fine sistah who even DFK-ed him, and he decides to let himself think that maybe that's because she actually liked him, a little bit? (Not that he has any illusions, mind you...)

Have I mentioned recently how much I miss Egypt?

 

[occasionalhobbyist]

Originally posted by popeye
OH,

I see your point, but cannot agree with the distinction in use of the words ‘action’ and ‘expression’...

Regards,

Pop

Let me try one last time to clarify what I mean by these two related terms, and then I'll drop it.

"Expression" is taking your opinion public. Speech, talking, shouting, wearing a t-shirt that says 'fuck the draft'. There are more constraints on the t-shirt guy than on the speakers, but in all cases we're talking about things that don't intrude on someone else's physical space.

By "Action" I mean blocking someone's patch, denying them access, burning a cross on their private property (instead of yours), etc.

I generally have no problem with expression (and thanks JL, I know the constitutional territory here fairly well but a reminder is helpful.) Even when I disagree with the courts. I reserve the right to have a problem with actions. Can't control their opinions, but I can say their actions are wrong.

 

[Cat_Ballou]

Slinky's senior moment...

Originally posted by slinkybender
Have I mentioned recently how much I miss Egypt?

Yes...

 

[rufus4aday]

Cat, I wouldn't extrapolate too far based on that particular ad. My impression is that these lockdown parties have existed for a long time...well before the PMB boom.

I don't want to make the argument...it's confrontational and I am not sure I believe it myself...but it seems to me it needs to be raised. The argument being that (1) these WOC find themselves in (i.e. limited to) these bargain basement (sometimes literally) events for a cluster of reasons ultimately related to historical or current racism and perhaps (2) guys worried about the unethical discriminatory practices of providers should also question their own ethics in participating in what could be viewed as a mercenary adventure in crossing class borders.

I mean this is something I've done and felt a bit guilty about. That feeling is much more acute when visiting a place like, say, Tijuana.

And of course the same kind of concern could apply to things we never question...e.g. that cheap meal at McDonalds is possible because of cheap labor that is partially the result of racism.

Like I said...it's a harsh and confrontational take on things. Something I'll think about relative to my own behavior, and I'll let others think about themselves as they see fit.

 

[Cat_Ballou]

Originally posted by rufus4aday
...guys worried about the unethical discriminatory practices of providers should also question their own ethics in participating in what could be viewed as a mercenary adventure in crossing class borders.

I mean this is something I've done and felt a bit guilty about. That feeling is much more acute when visiting a place like, say, Tijuana.

I believe the expression is "slumming..."

It's certainly a fair topic, Rufus, but I still think it might be appropriate to start a separate thread for it. This one is already 20 pages long, and IMO has run its course...

(Personally, I find the extremely long threads that I haven't already participated in to be problematic, in that it takes so damn long to get caught up on anything, and so many of them meander off into other subjects...)

 

[justlooking]

Ummmmmmmm, as linked above, that already was discussed TO DEATH (with a great deal of acrimony on both sides).

 

[rufus4aday]

sorry sorry sorry...

I didn't get around to reading it...

If anyone wants to post about this please do go to that other thread.

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
God that was a long time ago.

Thanks for the fucking trip down memory lane.

Never post that link again, please...

Actually I am glad he did.

I had forgotten what A.K.F.B. stood for.

I was good for a chuckle.

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
Yes, this society is deeply fucked up when it comes to race, but it's fucked up across the board, at this point: so while we're shutting down all the Asians-only MPs for unethical prostitution and boycotting any pro with the stupidity and honesty to say out loud that she doesn't want to sleep with black men, let's not forget to suspend the hack license of every black male cabdriver who has ever refused to pick up a brotha because, as one driver told me one night, "hey, a cat may be cool, a cat may be a nigger. But when I'm driving this cab and I'm not sure? I drive right on by, no sweat. I feel for him, and I know it's not right, but if I guess wrong, and it turns out he is a nigger? I am one dead motherfucking cabdriver." And then he laughed...

Read Alice Walker's "Meridien" (1976) for one of the most truthful and disturbing discussions of the dark and murky intersections of sex and race and power and manipulation and exploitation...

Very well stated. Thank you.

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by justlooking
The drafters of the Constitution didn't use the word "expression". They used the word "speech".

But carried it over to expression as a form of communication.

Strip-clubs. Nude dancing... etc. Come on, its right in our own backyard.

Look. I was going to finish up along the same lines as Cat, but she said it first and probably better then I could have.

I totally understand what you mean JL, but I can't agree. Though at this point I feel like we are talking circles around each other and 20 pages of this is enough for me.

 

[Thorn]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
Oh lord, my imagination reels with the possibilities that one brings to mind. The deconstruction of JC's play should take at least a dozen doctoral theses.

-Ww

Maybe if it were a thesis on abnormal psych, but other then that I think the theories of human dynamics at the heart of it can be summed up clearly in less then a single page. The vast majory of people simply don't work the way the characters in "Mrs. Chong's Debut" do. Hence the other-worldly veil that hangs over the work. It left me cold and unsympathitic to the characters. Feeling only that they were all so miserable I hoped they all fell off the planet in the final act.

Sorry, its how it made me feel.

 

[justlooking]

Originally posted by Thorn
But carried it over to expression as a form of communication.

Strip-clubs. Nude dancing... etc. Come on, its right in our own backyard.

Look. I was going to finish up along the same lines as Cat, but she said it first and probably better then I could have.

I totally understand what you mean JL, but I can't agree. Though at this point I feel like we are talking circles around each other and 20 pages of this is enough for me.

1. I was reacting to what I thought was an (unintentionally) improper argument by Popeye. To wit, "since the Constitution says 'expression' and not just 'speech', it seems pretty clear that it's not so limited that it doesn't cover 'actions'." But that's wrong. The fact is it says "speech" and then was expanded (by judicial decision) to include "expression." Expanding it further to "actions" is really a stretch that the meaning and purpose of the First Amendment won't bear. (You'd have to let people bomb buildings.)

2. I'd say that "stripping as protected expression" proves MY point. Stripping is dancing; it's purely "expressive" (the cases ignore the fact that viewers get erections). It's not an "action" that has an extra-expressive impact on someone else. That's why stripping is protected by the First Amendment but giving blow jobs in the back room isn't.

 

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Thorn

1 - I think the theories of human dynamics at the heart of it can be summed up clearly in less then a single page.

2 - It left me cold and unsympathitic to the characters. Feeling only that they were all so miserable I hoped they all fell off the planet in the final act.

1 - I agree, but if you had read as many doctoral theses as I have, you'd probably agree that it would not stop people from writing hundreds or thousands of pages about it...perhaps mostly to say how wrong it is or why it is wrong or why... Of course, I was only joking anyway.

2 - It left me so unengaged that I never could get through more than a few pages at a time and never did finish it.

-Ww

 

[Captain Kirk]

Originally posted by BigMadM
we all want to live in a perfect society where nothing is wrong.
its obvious, after reading some threads lately, escorts do choose by race who they will or will not see.
I dont agree with this practice, and never will.
I have seen alot of escorts. Alot.
I am willing to bet, that when the girl gives her boss,(lets forget about indies for the moment)her card, 30% of those cards have certain groups or race, color, whatever, that the girl refuses to see.
Plenty of reasons, alot of them might seem silly to us.
Racism? I dont think these girls view it as that.
They make decisions based on the clients ability to afford the service, hygiene, age(Im told younger clients might work a girl harder)and other various factors that are implanted in a girls head, whether due to upbringing, or other outside influences.
Racism sucks, bottom line.

Hmm. In another thread you said you were a professional writer but now I don't think that's possible.

 

[BigMadM]

I want to thank you for pointing out the obvious.
My writer remark was posted as a joke.
Im safe until the powers that be decide to ban people for lack of vocabulary, or writing skills. Grammar, spelling.

 

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by justlooking
One real-world thing this discussion has convinced me of is that prostitution should remain illegal.

I think keeping it illegal is better than tying it down with a bunch of government regulations about discrimination and other vexations of society. I for one am not ready to experience a hand-job from a woman that has been instructed by OSHA on how to avoid repetitive motion injuries.

 

[occasionalhobbyist]

Originally posted by Thorn
Actually I am glad he did.

I had forgotten what A.K.F.B. stood for.

I was good for a chuckle.

My desire to never see that thread again has nothing to do with JL's tag.

 

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by pjorourke
a hand-job from a woman that has been instructed by OSHA on how to avoid repetitive motion injuries.

LOL! Now this belongs on you greatest hits album, PJ. The more you think about it, the funnier it gets.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
My desire to never see that thread again has nothing to do with JL's tag.

"Some dance to remember; some dance to forget."

-Ww