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The Exiled

The Exiled

#61
#61
And while I'm at it let me also add CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57607200/how-many-americans-have-signed-up-for-obamacare/

"Health care consultant Bob Laszewski says plan insurers he has heard from report enrollment is low. The administration hoped 7 million would choose a policy by the end of the year. But he said some major companies have told him their enrollment numbers are in the hundreds."

"Emails we have seen written by insurance executives describe enrollment numbers as "ugly." One said politicians and others have their "heads in the sand."


Notice the left wing bias at the beginning of the video where the weasel Scott Pelley says:
"A new poll by The Wall Street Journal shows more Americans think the president's health care law is a good idea. Last month, 31 percent said they liked it; now it's 38 percent."

It comes across as if most Americans think Obamacare is a good idea when actually 62% know that it is crap. This is how they indoctrinate people like poor Emily who don't know any better.

By the way Emily, there is your 8 million. It's people who visited the website and not the # of people who had signed up.
 
fairemily

fairemily

#63
#63
The Exiled said:
Are my sources OK now???
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Your sources you put your faith in all questionable to say the least. You want to grasp at the tiniest straw to defame this president and and his signature legislation at all costs. The Republican party is full of zealots and cowards and are enemies of this country. You are also an anti-government extremist and nobody is fooled by the code language. Now the full faith and credit of our nation is being held hostage, you and the people you support are economically terrorizing this country over religious fervor and racism, there it is, now go into your fake outrage and deny, deny, deny but make no mistake I know and have known for quite some time the sinister motives of the Teapublicans. This bullshit with wanting a law to fail that hasn't even been enacted goes back to religious fanatic takeover of 2010 and their desire to control female reproductive rights and you are all up in arms that one of the provisions is no copay for various women's health concerns into birth control with the new healthcare coverage which you have proven to be completely clueless about how the medication works. I haven't forgotten your shameful ignorance, I'll never forget it because you are so ignorant on what the drug actually is and the various afflictions it treats I was embarresssed for you. This plan to sabatoge the law is not about socialism, freedom or healthcare but control over choice.

Republicans do not understand the meaning of democracy, they lost the election and they don't get to dictate policy they lost on by hijacking congress.
 
fairemily

fairemily

#65
#65
More evidence this anti-obamacare campaign is all about fanatical religious right wing overreaching and takeover of the Republican party. We spend trillions fighting extremists that want to harm our secular freedom across the world while allowing other religious extremists to committing economic terrorism to our country from within, when are the sane people going to stop this completely insanity??? Religious freedom doesn't mean religious oppression.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/b...-of-witnesses/2012/02/16/gIQA6BM5HR_blog.html
 
fairemily

fairemily

#67
#67
LISteve said:
But Emily ... more than half the country doesn't want Obamacare ... are they ALL right wing religious zealots?
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The majority that do not approve is because they feel it didn't go far enough and want complete universal care like the rest of civilized nations enjoy including Israel where we give loads of money while our citizens can't afford to get antibiotics. The small fraction of right wing religious zealots have a lots of money and greedy corrupt lawmakers thanks to citizens united and they are the ones doing all the obstructing and false propaganda. Now they are back on the birth control, what gives them the right to dictate what can and cannot be covered by private insurance ??? They don't even understand the drug and what reasons it is mostly prescribed. When I read or hear those sluts should just use a condom I want to tear the hair out of my head in frustration and disgust, the ignorance of the right wing is deplorable. Stu thinks birth control has nothing to do with reproductive disease, it's like stating insulin has nothing to do with diabetes or antibiotics has nothing to do with infection, that's how freaking idiotic his claim seems to me and anyone who is modestly medically literate. How the fuck are women supposed to use a piece of latex to treat something like endometriosis and the dozens of other reproductive diseases that ONLY birth control can relieve and halt progression? There is no other alternative except removal of the system causing early menopause and the dangers of that, unlike men our reproductive systems affect the way the rest of our body functions. It's very complex, too complex for the ignorant homeschooled right wing religious zealots to comprehend. These fanatics treaded into territory they have no buisness being in and their ignorance in matters regarding female health is not only offense but dangerous.

Everything from the right is turned into something perverse even degenerate genetic diseases of the reproductive system. What's next? sexualizing breast cancer. There is something twisted and deranged about conservatism and it's beyond denial now.
 
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oddfellow4870

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#68
Hmmm. Where's that old intellectual depth I used to find in this section?

The ACA cannot work unless it becomes popular and young people sign up.

Oh, it can limp along by gouging the taxpayers. But its design depends on the participation of the young.

Does anyone think that's going to happen?
 
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LISteve

#69
#69
Not unless they are forced to. Obama is going to try to ram that down our throats. That's the end game. He will say that the system can't work unless the young and healhty are FORCED to participate. He will say that it is best for the young and healthy to have these "better" plans and that he knows what's best. That's what the Democrats are saying now.

The problem is that the media is finally starting to wake up and see Obama for what he is. That popularity will go away and he will lose influence and the dems up for reelection will bail on him. They have already started to turn on him.

Once the numbers come out and this shit sandwich exposes itself then the rest of the party will turn on Obama and blame him in hopes of retaining their seat.
 
The Exiled

The Exiled

#70
#70
ObamaCare-Pity the Middle Class

The Griffins, who live near Philadelphia, pay $770 monthly for their soon-to-be-terminated health care plan with a $2,500 deductible. The cheapest plan they found on their state insurance exchange was a so-called bronze plan charging a $1,275 monthly premium with deductibles totaling $12,700. "We're buying insurance that we will never use and can't possibly ever benefit from. We're basically passing on a benefit to other people who are not otherwise able to buy basic insurance," said Griffin

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-02-09-44-38

So that's ObamaCare in a nutshell taking medical coverage away from the middle class and burdening them with the bill for providing free full coverage for the so called poor. I wonder how many people will die from putting off medical treatment until it is too late because they can't afford or are too stubborn to pay the deductibles. Well I guess that's what freedom in America is today or what's left of it.
 
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LISteve

#71
#71
My plan is aout $1650 a month with no deductible and it's a family plan. That is probably the best bang for the buck out there right no for a family. It's very expensive .... but unless your family is very healthy ... you can't so a heck of a lot better.

I had BCBS but they shitcanned my company because they want no part of small business any more.
 
fairemily

fairemily

#72
#72
oddfellow4870 said:
Hmmm. Where's that old intellectual depth I used to find in this section?

The ACA cannot work unless it becomes popular and young people sign up.

Oh, it can limp along by gouging the taxpayers. But its design depends on the participation of the young.

Does anyone think that's going to happen?
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Young people are covered until 26, being in your late 20's might certainly be young but they are adults.

It's not fair that the uninsured are piling into the ER and the bills they can never afford to the are cost shifted to the few insured and whatever wasn't squeezed out of them comes from the taxpayers. This right wing illusion that the Hypocrathic Oath means doctors work for free is childish, they do not work for free and somebody is paying for decades worth of unpaid hospital bills. The AHCA would not to have even had to be designed if Reagan didn't mandate the hospitals with a federal law to see everyone no matter what their financial situation in 1986. His mandate opened the gateway to unaffordable healthcare prices and unattainable insurance premiums and I all the dismissing or avoiding of the Reagan mandate from the right doesn't make the problem he started disappear. I suggest repeal Reagan's socialist unconstitutional mandate and allow hospitals to refuse the uninsured and within a second everyone will be on board with signing up. I don't condone suffering and sm one of those peopje who wants universal care but unless more people starts joining in the system will implode from debt, it already has started, 60% of out citizens debt comes from medical costs, we have the highest prices and the worst care, no other civilized country has this problem. The social contract we have as humans must exist with something as important as health, it's unfair the few have to pay for the many because even young people get sick and have accidents. I can't understand how the right to shoot a gun overrides the right to be able to afford medication, the conservative priorities are twisted.
 
fairemily

fairemily

#73
#73
Steve, I have bc/bs and I'm not getting kicked off. It just seems curious to me that you of all people happen to be the part of the less then 5% of insured affected because their policies don't meet the high standards of the AHCA. It seems weird we have the same insurance carrier and I'm fine and you are being booted especially since you are so against the law. I'm sorry but I think you are leaving some important details out of your story.
 
The Exiled

The Exiled

#74
#74
fairemily said:
Young people are covered until 26, being in your late 20's might certainly be young but they are adults.

It's not fair that the uninsured are piling into the ER and the bills they can never afford to the are cost shifted to the few insured and whatever wasn't squeezed out of them comes from the taxpayers. This right wing illusion that the Hypocrathic Oath means doctors work for free is childish, they do not work for free and somebody is paying for decades worth of unpaid hospital bills. The AHCA would not to have even had to be designed if Reagan didn't mandate the hospitals with a federal law to see everyone no matter what their financial situation in 1986. His mandate opened the gateway to unaffordable healthcare prices and unattainable insurance premiums and I all the dismissing or avoiding of the Reagan mandate from the right doesn't make the problem he started disappear. I suggest repeal Reagan's socialist unconstitutional mandate and allow hospitals to refuse the uninsured and within a second everyone will be on board with signing up. I don't condone suffering and sm one of those peopje who wants universal care but unless more people starts joining in the system will implode from debt, it already has started, 60% of out citizens debt comes from medical costs, we have the highest prices and the worst care, no other civilized country has this problem. The social contract we have as humans must exist with something as important as health, it's unfair the few have to pay for the many because even young people get sick and have accidents. I can't understand how the right to shoot a gun overrides the right to be able to afford medication, the conservative priorities are twisted.
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Do you ever get tired of writing the same ole tripe over and over and over again?
 
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LISteve

#76
#76
fairemily said:
Steve, I have bc/bs and I'm not getting kicked off. It just seems curious to me that you of all people happen to be the part of the less then 5% of insured affected because their policies don't meet the high standards of the AHCA. It seems weird we have the same insurance carrier and I'm fine and you are being booted especially since you are so against the law. I'm sorry but I think you are leaving some important details out of your story.
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BCBS got rid of all small business a long time ago so many aren't blaming Obamacare ... but that was the reason why according to my insurance broker. It was not an individual purchase plan. It was purchased by my small business. Insurance companies classify you a small business plan if you have less than 50 employees enrolled in their plan. BCBS eliminated MOST small business plans ... maybe ALL ... I am not sure.

I had the EVO plan which was their top tiered plan with no deductibles and no referrals needed. You could go to any doctor. That plan was the BEST plan you could get from BCBS and it cost over $1700/month. I had to go to Oxford to take a worse plan which requires referrals which sucks ... but it is the best plan I could get. It actually costs less by about $100 a month ... but I am sure that savings will be gone at my next renewal.

SO ..... I lost my preferred plan thanks to Barry (June 2012) and now I have a worse plan and it costs a little bit less .... but I would rather have my BCBS evo plan back. To be fair ... this plan has all my wife's and kids doctors and they have been cooperative with the referrals when needed. 12 years ago when I started with BCBS ... my monthly premium was like $700 a month. Now it is $1600 and change. Ridiculous.

Obamacare is not good Emily. IT was badly thought out and Barry lied his ass off in order to get it voted on and now he won't own up to it. What he did is called: "FRAUD IN THE INDUCEMENT". That means he lied to get you to approve of something.
 
fairemily

fairemily

#77
#77
Steve, that's the insurance companies taking advantage of the law, if you go on the exchange I'm sure you will find a better plan. They are not know for their honesty and integrity. This is why I wanted to get rid of them all together but republicans refused single payer claiming it's socialism so blame them. I can't believe you are complaining about the free market and capitalism, I guess you don't like it when it doesn't go your way. Your plan is bidded out by competition, it's the American way right?
 
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LISteve

#78
#78
I went on the echange ... NOTHING is better and there are plenty with $3,000 deductibles. The plans on the exchanges are MOSTLY SHIT plans!!! There were one or two that were slightly comparable to my plan .... but my plan was still better since it was Oxford as compared to some company called "Oscar". ... I mean really ... "Oscar"???? Why would I want Oscar Madison providing my health insurance???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMy8e5ioYCo

Why in the world would you pay as a family plan over $1,000 a month with a deductible of $3,000????? It would make sense to not pay for ANY insurance and pay the fee of a few hundred a YEAR!!! Then if you get a severe illness ... then get the insurance since you can get it with pre-existing conditions!!!

The only way it pays for you to buy insurance on these exchanges is if the ANNUAL premiums are LESS than the deductibles. RIght now the average annual family plan premium is like $14,000. The annual deductibles are $3,000.

HOWEVER .... if you want to steal money out of other people's pockets then it might be less expensive for you. Problem is ... I don't qualify to legally be able to steal other people's money. For you liberals ... that's what a subsidy is.
 
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Duckman

Moderator
#79
#79
fairemily said:
ost shifted to the few insured and whatever wasn't squeezed out of them comes from the taxpayers.
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And Obamacare is essentially the same thing. Young people must buy into the system in order for it to work so the costs of the elderly can be SHIFTED to the young.

That's why regardless of age or condition, you must have MATERNITY and PEDIATRIC care regardless of whether you can have children... to suck in more money into the system to pay for someone else.... and that is COST-SHIFTING.

If you are a fan of Obamacare, but not of cost-shifting, you are living a logical inconsistency.
 
The Exiled

The Exiled

#80
#80
Well he lied again

Obama insisted anew Thursday that the problem is limited to people who buy their own insurance. “We’re talking about 5 percent of the population who are in what’s called the individual market. They’re out there buying health insurance on their own,” he told NBC.

He conveniently left out all those that will lose it next year when the employer mandate goes into effect and those numbers could be between 23 million to 41 million.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html
 
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