Obamacare

fairemily · Oct 4, 2013

Steve, speaking of sports I have a close friend who is a sports fanatic who can't understand my interest in politics. I think sports entertains and bonds families and friends but it's otherwise useless. Politics affects everything we do whether people take interest in it or not, it's political policy that rules our existence.

I also want to note that "free" has a cost, it could be humiliation or owing in another way but your theory of free as free without stipulations is unrealistic, nothing is truly free.

fairemily · Oct 4, 2013

Steve, I still don't understand how you can think letting the unfortunate afflicted uninsured go without preventive care until their condition becomes a expensive life threatening emergency room situation that is cost shifted onto the tax payer and insured then opening up the insurance market so these people can obtain affirable insurance to manage their care in a more responsible self sufficient manner, economically it makes more sense to reduce avoidable emergency room situations.

The Exiled · Oct 7, 2013

Liberal Remorse

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area

fairemily · Oct 7, 2013

The Exiled said:

You are again confusing Reagancare with Obamacare. Reagancare is the free unfunded socialist healthcare law. Obamacare is the afforable healthcare insurance exchange option for the uninsured working poor people to purchase so they don't freeload the system relying on the free ER Reagancare option, get it???

I'm not surprised by your confusion, conservatives also believe the Hurricane Katrina debacle was President Obama's fault.

Liberal remorse?? there have been around 8 million uninsured signing up for afforable health insurance, I am guessing there are some Republicans signing up too. When questioned many people think the AHA and Obamacare are two different things. They are signing up for afforable healthcare under state exchanges not even realizing it's Obamacare.

fairemily · Oct 7, 2013

As of Jan 1st all insurance carriers must spend 80% of the premiums on actually medical care or they must provide a rebate to their policy holders. Prices might spiking for some up as a last ditch effort to get as much as they can before rip off scheme is stopped by the AHA. Once again the AHA will not be implemented until Jan 1st so any negative reaction is just that, a reaction brought on by the desperate and greeey as a means to stop the law that will end their unsavory practices.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w...-obamacare-provision-that-terrifies-insurers/

fairemily · Oct 8, 2013

Renowned physician Dr. Corey Herbert explains the AHCA that a child's mind could understand. He basically explains the benifits, debunks the myths in a straightforward simple manner.

http://www.blackhealthtv.com/content/obamacare-made-simpler

LISteve · Oct 8, 2013

I read for 5 minutes and it is garbage.

I have never had a lifetime cap on my health insurance, nor have I ever had one for my employees. So I believe that is either exaggerated or a complete fallacy.

Plus I love your source Emily ... maybe slightly biased?

How about someone who is a little higher on the evolutionary ladder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWBY9LBGdS8

So simple ... a child can understand.

The Exiled · Oct 8, 2013

fairemily said:

So tell me how are these uninsured working poor going to be able to afford Obamacare? I understand it will be much cheaper but what if they still can't afford it. And with the little that they do pay how will that offset the high cost of the treatment they receive? The answer is that rates are going to skyrocket. And that is what people are seeing today as they are getting notices from their insurance companies showing the increases like in the article I posted before that you didn't bother to read. Listen use some common sense. You make a big deal out of your so called unfunded Reagancare yet you don't see that the funded Obamacare can only be funded by raising rates. Yes more people will be paying into it but the majority of the poor will be paying peanuts and the young and healthy will pay a small fine.

How do you know it's 8 million when the gov't doesn't even know.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ebelius-on-health-care-law-am-i-a-stupid-man/

They paid a ton of money 86 million for a website that doesn't work, it keeps pinging itself in a loop so that 8 million is probably a few thousand.

I'm not surprised by your confusion, liberals also believe the Hurricane Katrina debacle was President Bush's fault.

fairemily · Oct 8, 2013

Stu, read the link, I stated even a child's mind could understand. Sometimes your questions are so ridiculous I just do a face palm and wonder how you manage to do basic tasks. You do not seem to have the ability to comprehend things are painful obvious to anyone who uses their brain.

The exchanges will open more affordable insurance that the working poor can actually afford, duh. You think it's better they pile into the ER and leave the bill to be cost shifted on others or obtain afforable insurance according to their incomes, any person would common sense would prefer they be able to afford health insurance.

The website does work, it had a few glitches due to so much traffic but that just means people want afforable health insurance and i. This law is the 1% worst nightmare, they can't exploit the government and insured if they have over 50 employees and the overpaid insurance CEO have to actually take less to the buyers get more for the money they she'll out. The Koch's have spent a lot of money spewing lies about the AHA but don't expect an invite to their next soirée for all the work you are duped into doing on their behalf, they still think anyone worth under a 100 million is riff raff.

fairemily · Oct 8, 2013

Just so you know Stu, many people who are against the AHCA are so because they feel it isn't socialist enough and wanted a universal plan like the rest of the industrial nation. We are the only western democracy that citizens go bankrupt because of medical bills. We give a small fortune to Israel to be our friends so they can afford a great socialized medical system. We are the only ones and it's the most expensive and worst care, we have to finally admit our employer based secret pricing system is a failure and was steadily imploding since Reagan socialized only one aspect of it without funding in 86'.

celtic knight · Oct 9, 2013

Obama Care

Medicare for everyone

fairemily · Oct 9, 2013

LISteve said:

My source is from one of the most renowned medical professionals in the country and just cares about what will improve the health of Americans and your source knows nothing about the medical system, is an advocate for the failed Lazzire Faire economics and opened compared the president to Hitler, not biased at all right? Comparing the president of the united states to the mass murderer of millions is not moving higher up the evolutionary ladder, sorry.

You had written before you don't provide healthcare for your employees, we had a whole discussion about it but now you do, I guess that's the Republican spin in you. Millions of people had lifetime caps, it's great you havd been able to afford primo insurance that excluded the lifetime cap but you are far better off then the average citizen from the information you have revealed. Anything other then an accident can be construed as a pre existing condition because it's too expensive to do generic testing to disprove and thankfully that unsavory practice will be finished. I received a medical code of a pre existing condition but my doctor never even told me, he says he suspected it but still submitted it to my insurance company securing it my official records without my knowledge. I didn't find out for three years. I think I wasn't dropped is because it's super rare in with a name nobody can pronounce so I was fortunate it was overlooked and was able to keep my insursnce, surely if it was more popular I would have been dropped. Millions are denied because of a variety of common pre-existing ranging from minor to serious. I don't understand why Republicans relish in unnecessary human suffering so much so they don't want millions of uninsured access to afforable health insurance.

fairemily · Oct 9, 2013

Steve, Thomas Sowell is plagued by controversy, he fancies himself as a Clarence Thomas, voted in favor of the Bork nomination claiming he was most qualified nominee in Supreme Court history. Yes, The same Bork that was even too conservative for Reagan, the same monster who judicially decided women should be forced to be sterilized so they could sue their corporate employer for fetal abnormalities they would surely have exposed to dangerous chemicals they had to work with. Sowell is a heartless scoundrel and comparing him to the empathic Dr. Herbert as more superior is disgraceful. Do you hate humanity that much to root for this disgrace??

fairemily · Oct 9, 2013

Sowell also believes we should open up a free market to sell out organs, yeah, that's not going to accelerate into a slippery slope for the destitute and desperate. First goes the kidneys, skin and bone marrow, next something we might really miss like a liver, heart, lungs just in order for people to provide for their families. We might as well bring back the sucide clause in life insurance so we can all put a bullet in our brains so our loved ones collect from our deaths. This Sowell "let's sell our organs" guy Steve considers higher in the evolutionary ladder from a good man and doctor or who selflessly gives advice and explain in simple terms how to live a healthier life. I can't take conservative once you are out of the womb cruelty anymore. We are all disposable on their view after birth of course, fetuses are the only important stage of a human life they care about unless your rich of course.

LISteve · Oct 9, 2013

fairemily said:

No spin Emily .... I am honest ... I did not offer healthcare for a long time. Now I do because I found a couple of really good people and that was part of the deal in order to get them to work for me. I pay for half of their plan ... but only because it's part of the deal. I will not make that offer to other employees. NOW .. by law ... thanks to the almighty Barry ... I have to "offer" it although I do not have to contribute anything. I don't mind offering it as long as I don't have to contribute anything towards the plan.

Emily ... your views are skewed and one sided. Having the government run more things is ALWAYS a mistake.

Furthermore ... you can tweak regulations and laws ... that's fine ... but starting a whole new entitlement program is NOT the answer. It is not what this country is about and it will ultimately fail. To think otherwise is foolish.

fairemily · Oct 9, 2013

Steve, all I hear from the right is cruelty and it's getting worse. The only humanoid entity you bunch care about is fetuses maybe because they are out of sight in the womb. I don't understand how you think, it's a Grapes of Wrath style existence and I think it's horrible. I'm don't think I'm biased, I believe I'm on the right side of history and humanity. Claiming your religious doesn't make a person good, being a good person makes does that. Just wanting to exist while working full time with a fair wage, modestly afforable healthcare, basics is not entitlements. How can you justify any person in this country who works full time and doesn't earn enough to see a doctor or pay rent or buy food, I can't justify it. We have the largest income disparity in the western world and any chance to make it smaller is deemed socialism, it's doesn't make sense, without a strong middle income class this country will implode. Most people don't expect to be in the 1% but they want to exist with some dignity.

The Exiled · Oct 11, 2013

For Miss Know It All

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-51-000-completed-insurance-applications.html

Republicans could probably sit back and relax as this monstrosity will sink all by itself.
8 million lol.

fairemily · Oct 14, 2013

The Exiled said:

Your source isn't even from an American publication. The Daily Mail is a UK conservative tabloid and has been suited successfully several times for libel damages. It is a completely unreliable source and you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel in your losing battle against a law that will benefit your own fellow citizens. Those hacks over at the Daily Mail enjoy a socialized civilized healthcare system and do not understand what it's like to fear losing their home from one affliction. You claim to be such a patriot but believe a foreign tabloid is more informative regarding matters of your own country. Next you will be claiming Canada isn't a foreign country like the other Teabagger Cruz fanatic.

fairemily · Oct 14, 2013

It gets better, look at the rap sheet of Stu's Daily Mail source, really trustworthy, lol. David Martosko is notorious for his shady and shoddy journalism.

http://stophumanewatch.org/blog/david-martosko-rap-sheet

The Exiled · Oct 14, 2013

fairemily said:

We are still waiting to see the source of your claim of 8 million which is what is in question here. I would also like to take the opportunity to add Forbes Magazine to my list of sources.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiam...ple-have-enrolled-in-obamacare-an-early-look/