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Stitch

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#101
I've realized that one of the stranger things about me, and it ain't much on the strange front, is that I have no erotic interest WHATSOEVER in most American porn. Even as a kid, with Playboy, I was never attracted to the centerfold. What turned me were the more casual, informal snaps.

Obviously, a lot of guys like the fake look, enjoy the whole air of acting out...I don't think the people only look trashy, for me that's not really the problem. I think they look ludicrous. The performance is just so lousy. I don't understand why they don't suddenly start laughing at themselves.

I prefer no tits to fake tits. If some girl I've just met starts cooing "honey," "baby," "you're so hard" or moaning like a porn star, I get turned off and would just as soon leave.

The "authenticity" I seek -- see, I put it in quotes -- doesn't have to be cutesy or sweet. I prefer that special look of disgust some providers direct at johns when the johns aren't looking to some cooked-up naturalness.
 
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Monk

#102
#102
Slinky Bender said:
a) It depends on what they are using the ads for
b) When guys on PMB's give "advice" to women on PMB's, it is almost always bullshit. Sometimes intentional, sometimes unintential.
c) I realize Monk is th eprofessional here, but in my experince directly asking a customer what type of advertising they want to see rarely results in producing the most effective advertising for a business.
d) There are lots of things in this business which guys won't ask for, or even seek out in "normal" ways, but when they see certain advertising, they are all over it. One really good example is that photo.
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a) Yes, and to the later point, it depends on what you're selling and what market you're targeting. Both are key issues to take into consideration.

b) Too true

c) Since I don't have anything to do with creating hobby or porn-related advertising of any kind, most of my comments here are educated guesses and what I've picked up simply by being a consumer. Consequently, I'd hardly describe myself as a "professional". At some point, someone who runs a business doing this sort of thing will become a UG member and tell me that I'm full of shit and I'm sure he or she will be right! (If Ozzy doesn't do it first.)

That said, however, my experience in marketing informs me that asking consumers what they want is exactly how most marketing is created in this country. Everything is tested these days, focus groups are going on across the country as I write this gathering consumer opinions on everything from soap to frozen foods. Often marketers take those consumer insights and spit them right back out into the market, assuming that's what people want to hear.

More to the point, in direct response and retail advertising (which is how I'd characterize most hobby-related ads), ad agencies that specialize in this type of thing make a science of measuring consumer behavior as it relates to responding to advertising of all kinds. If a sizable number of people respond to a certain technique, that same technique is repeated over and over again to great effect. If you've ever wondered why ads end in phrases like "Call 1-800... today," it's not because we're all a bunch of hacks who can't think of something more brilliant to say. It's because we've tested everything you can possibly think of against that phrase and nothing's beaten it yet.

When I first went into marketing/advertising, I thought that innovation and originality was the name of the game; after having built a career in it, I realize that it's quite the opposite. Sad, but true.

d) That's true with most marketing, isn't it? In fact, it's true with most of my clients, no matter what business they're in. They don't know what they like until they see it.
 
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lamont5123

#103
#103
A decent snapshot will do.

I don't necessarily have to see the face, but I'd like to see the form of the woman.

Being a photographer myself, I have always believed that less is more and do my best to stop a model from completely disrobing.
 
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masquerade

#104
#104
Stitch said:
Obviously, a lot of guys like the fake look, enjoy the whole air of acting out...I don't think the people only look trashy, for me that's not really the problem. I think they look ludicrous. The performance is just so lousy. I don't understand why they don't suddenly start laughing at themselves.
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I feel this way all the time at work. I see some of the girls do the most ridiculous gestering and make the dumbest looking faces. I have to force myself not to bust out laughing sometimes. I mean, sometimes I laugh at myself just for being there... I see the mirrored walls and the ugly lap dance seats and some beer poster with a chick on it and I'm like... wtf man. hmmmphhh... hppppttt.. bfwaaaa hahahaha....! My job is so weird and great and unlike anything else in the world.
 
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Monk

#105
#105
Masquarade, you've inadvertently brought up a good point. There's definitely an element of sexual politics at play here. You know, feminists used to argue that women were forced to dress a certain way because they were anticipating the way men wanted to see them. These days, though, I think it's pretty well established that women tend to dress up for each other. (Britney Spears' biggest fans were other teenage girls, for example.) So, while this whole discussion has centered around what we, as customers, respond to in ads, there's also an element of how a provider wants herself to be perceived in the marketplace. By potential clients. But also by other providers!
 
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masquerade

#106
#106
Monk said:
Masquarade, you've inadvertently brought up a good point. There's definitely an element of sexual politics at play here. You know, feminists used to argue that women were forced to dress a certain way because they were anticipating the way men wanted to see them. These days, though, I think it's pretty well established that women tend to dress up for each other. (Britney Spears' biggest fans were other teenage girls, for example.) So, while this whole discussion has centered around what we, as customers, respond to in ads, there's also an element of how a provider wants herself to be perceived in the marketplace. By potential clients. But also by other providers!
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Oh yeah, for sure. It's sort of like Halloween. Halloween is the only day during the year where it's socially acceptable for woman to dress like whores and not be ostracized by other women. Working like a strip club is like Halloween every day in that respect. The whole point is to look as provocative as possible; we love it. Women love to dress like whores.
 
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BedroomMartyr

#107
#107
It's odd. I've seen pictures of CL women, met them, and although they looked different (which was at first upsetting), the women themselves did not look any less than a 7 overall. Of course there's a security aspect of posting pictures, but I feel as long as I get a realistic impression of the body (tits, waist, ass), and maybe a tiny amount of face, than I'm motivated enough to choose that woman over another.
 
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James Bannan

#108
#108
BedroomMartyr said:
It's odd. I've seen pictures of CL women, met them, and although they looked different (which was at first upsetting), the women themselves did not look any less than a 7 overall. Of course there's a security aspect of posting pictures, but I feel as long as I get a realistic impression of the body (tits, waist, ass), and maybe a tiny amount of face, than I'm motivated enough to choose that woman over another.
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Absolutely! When I search for a new provider, I expect that the pics may not be real....but as long as it's a good representation of what I'm getting, I'm fine. If its off by more than a point, I walk.
 
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Monk

#109
#109
I think it has a lot to do with the part of the market you play in. For middle market indies with their own sites and "gallery" sections, if they're not the girl in the picture, they won't last long. Mid-to-high end agencies that post pics on their sites also have reputations to protect. That doesn't mean posting phony pics in these markets doesn't happen, but simply that there's less of it than on the lower-end CL/BP, where it seems to be more and more the norm to post "representational" photos. Personally, I hate the practice. As a consumer, I want to know exactly what I'm contracting for, not "kind of, sort of" what I'm contracting for. It's a deliberate misrepresentation at my expense.
 
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justlooking

#110
#110
I dunno about that. I tend to find that at the upper-level agencies, the website photos still tend to be "representational", because the kind of girls who do that kind of agency work don't want their photos associated with prostitution (for some reason, the upper-level agencies rarely do face blocks).
 
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justlooking

#113
#113
You'll have to explain how someone's putting her face in a prostitution ad on the internet, where it can be seen by any and everyone and where she can never eliminate all traces of it, tells you anything other than that the woman is foolhardy.
 
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