I fucking hate heroin
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Withdrawals aside I think with any drug addiction, it you are going to kick it you also need to come to terms with the reason you started in the first place otherwise you will go right back. The worst side effect with drugs is that we lose our natural coping abilities so the first thing is to find a way to get that back through cognitive therapy, reasoning and self understanding.
I know this is controversial buy I don't believe in the 12 step programs, I think all it does is replace something for another but does not cure. How can you solve your underlying problems if you believe you have no control over your actions?
I know this is controversial buy I don't believe in the 12 step programs, I think all it does is replace something for another but does not cure. How can you solve your underlying problems if you believe you have no control over your actions?
The Rong Time Ruv-er is right. Addicts will give drugs the same priority as food. Think how you would behave if you seriously wanted to stop eating, but of course the hunger returns. Ask yourself: given sufficient hunger, would you lie or steal for a meal? After you ate, and you were sated, would you perhaps apologize and swear up and down that it would not happen again? Some people get clean, but they are more likely dabblers who get out early.
Be honest here, is an addict less repulsive when she is young and attractive? Of course she is! Is she less dangerous? Nope, she may be doubly so.
Be honest here, is an addict less repulsive when she is young and attractive? Of course she is! Is she less dangerous? Nope, she may be doubly so.
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LOL. Given that I have issues in that area, probably not. I have had to be admitted to the hospital in the past for severe malnutrition (I'm 5'10" and I weighed 109, and my liver and kidneys had shut down). I do get hungry, but somehow my brain does not make the connection that it means I need to eat.
The idea that pot causes long term memory loss is a myth. It doesn't. Studies (i'll find them if anyone cares) bear that out. It DOES cause *short term* memory loss while one is stoned. You may not remember what happened 30 seconds ago. When the drug wears off, that goes away. Long term is not effected.
Worst effect of regular pot use is chronic bronchitis (pot smoke is harsh and irritates the lungs - much worse than tobacco - but it is not as carcinogenic as tobacco). It also tends to make one very very lazy. To the point of making some folks unemployable.
Worst effect of regular pot use is chronic bronchitis (pot smoke is harsh and irritates the lungs - much worse than tobacco - but it is not as carcinogenic as tobacco). It also tends to make one very very lazy. To the point of making some folks unemployable.
People don't die from codeine or heroin withdrawal. It sucks, but it's never fatal (unless someone has some other health issue such as a bad heart and the withdrawal puts them over the edge)
Benzodiazapine (ie: klonipin, atavan, valium, xanax) withdrawal CAN be fatal. Cardiac arrest during seizures for a person with a perfectly healthy ticker is a real possibility.
Benzodiazapine (ie: klonipin, atavan, valium, xanax) withdrawal CAN be fatal. Cardiac arrest during seizures for a person with a perfectly healthy ticker is a real possibility.
In New York it pretty much is- or at least used to be when I lived in NYC - doctors prescribing it needed to use the special triplicate copy prescription pads when they prescribed it - one copy the dr. keeps, one copy gets filed with the state and one goes to the pharmacy. Same as when the prescribe any opiate.
Like how much misinformation can one cram into a single paragraph?
Firstly, there is no such thing as Metrobamate. I think you mean Meprobamate. (perhaps I am ignorant and you are speaking of some new drug used to calm metrosexuals?)
In any event, it is NOT a benzodiazapine. It *is* a tranqulizer, but not a benzo. In any case, it's rarely used nowadays.
Secondly, it's Xanax, not Xanex. And it is not considered to have any anti-psychotic properties. It *is* considered to have anti-depressant qualities. That's because of the triple ring structure it has stuck to it, similar to the molecules of the classic tricyclic anti-depressants such as Amitriptyline or Nortriptyline.
Thirdly, you compare in one sentence three drugs of three entirely different categories, implying all are anti-psychotics, of which only one was: Xanax, which is a benzo, Elavil (aka: amitripyline, its generic name), which is a tricyclic (or as some now call the heterocyclic) anti-depressant, and Thorazine, which is a classic anti-pscychotic (aka: neuroleptic)
Might as well say something like aspirin is not as strong as penicillin. You can't make such comparisons because they do entirely different things.
There is SOME validity to comparing Elavil and Xanax since Xanax has some anti-depressant effect. But still, it's main action is that of a benzdiazapine type tranquilizer.
You did at least get right what Xanax is usually prescribed for.
Firstly, there is no such thing as Metrobamate. I think you mean Meprobamate. (perhaps I am ignorant and you are speaking of some new drug used to calm metrosexuals?)
In any event, it is NOT a benzodiazapine. It *is* a tranqulizer, but not a benzo. In any case, it's rarely used nowadays.
Secondly, it's Xanax, not Xanex. And it is not considered to have any anti-psychotic properties. It *is* considered to have anti-depressant qualities. That's because of the triple ring structure it has stuck to it, similar to the molecules of the classic tricyclic anti-depressants such as Amitriptyline or Nortriptyline.
Thirdly, you compare in one sentence three drugs of three entirely different categories, implying all are anti-psychotics, of which only one was: Xanax, which is a benzo, Elavil (aka: amitripyline, its generic name), which is a tricyclic (or as some now call the heterocyclic) anti-depressant, and Thorazine, which is a classic anti-pscychotic (aka: neuroleptic)
Might as well say something like aspirin is not as strong as penicillin. You can't make such comparisons because they do entirely different things.
There is SOME validity to comparing Elavil and Xanax since Xanax has some anti-depressant effect. But still, it's main action is that of a benzdiazapine type tranquilizer.
You did at least get right what Xanax is usually prescribed for.
BS. At least one well reviewed advertiser and regular poster on this board I know is an active junky. Track marks (not obvious one to someone who has not known dozens of junkies), itching and scratching... (and this is/was NOT the girl I started this thread about)
And no, I won't tell who it is or give further details because I do not want retaliation.
Older providers who are junkies just know better how to keep the drama hidden from their clients. They ARE more trustworthy than young junkies - they tend to think through the consequences of their actions. When they are older, they know it is harder to get new customers and rely more on repeat business. Much less likely to steal, give you a bad attitude, etc. Even when seriously jonesing. I have had more than a few BJ in my life from obviously dopesick older providers. And in most cases they still conducted their business like pros.
And no, I won't tell who it is or give further details because I do not want retaliation.
Older providers who are junkies just know better how to keep the drama hidden from their clients. They ARE more trustworthy than young junkies - they tend to think through the consequences of their actions. When they are older, they know it is harder to get new customers and rely more on repeat business. Much less likely to steal, give you a bad attitude, etc. Even when seriously jonesing. I have had more than a few BJ in my life from obviously dopesick older providers. And in most cases they still conducted their business like pros.
True for many drug abuse situations. IV heroin, however (as opposed to sniffing heroin), however, doesn't always fit the above. I have heard it described as "the best orgasm you ever had, times ten, and much longer" -- for many, feeling "normal" just holds no appeal whatsoever when they know they can feel like that whenever they want. "Normal" life seems bleak by comparison.
I agree 100% In fact, I would describe 12 step programs as "cult like" in some ways. I have seen so many make meetings their new obsession. Everything in their life revolves around their program.
Seems to be a cure that is not much better than the disease.
From what I have seen, given the old saying "jails, institutions or death", it's sad to say that for some folks, who never become functional, death may actually be the better option than a 12 step program. As a taxpayer I'd rather pay to bury 'em in potters field than pay welfare so they can attend 3 AA or NA meetings a day rather than work. At least when they were junkies working as providers they preformed SOME sort of useful service for humanity.
OK, that's too harsh, and I don't REALLY mean that. Life is precious, and I don't wish ANYBODY dead. But still...
I agree 100% In fact, I would describe 12 step programs as "cult like" in some ways. I have seen so many make meetings their new obsession. Everything in their life revolves around their program.
Seems to be a cure that is not much better than the disease.
From what I have seen, given the old saying "jails, institutions or death", it's sad to say that for some folks, who never become functional, death may actually be the better option than a 12 step program. As a taxpayer I'd rather pay to bury 'em in potters field than pay welfare so they can attend 3 AA or NA meetings a day rather than work. At least when they were junkies working as providers they preformed SOME sort of useful service for humanity.
OK, that's too harsh, and I don't REALLY mean that. Life is precious, and I don't wish ANYBODY dead. But still...
It's all about cost benefit. My point was simply don't assume an older well reviewed provider is not a junky. In fact, there is a very good chance she is. I'd bet at LEAST 50/50 for the older ones. If not more. Even higher than that for non-latinas. (maybe 75%?)
If the only point to avoiding college girls is to avoid junkies, then yes, it's BS. So that may open up the filed for some. For those who having a younger better looking provider is important, this distinction may be significant.
If the only point to avoiding college girls is to avoid junkies, then yes, it's BS. So that may open up the filed for some. For those who having a younger better looking provider is important, this distinction may be significant.