Coronavirus
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To put the Corona virus in perspective — yes it can be a major problem, IMHO mainly because of the modern transportation systems that exist today.
However the influenza pandemic of 1918 infected approximately one-fourth of the 100 million population of the United States and killed an estimated 675,000 w/o modern transportation systems .
Globally, roughly 500 million people were infected, with a death toll estimated at 50 million out of a total of just over 2 billion (note that today China has around 1.5 billion) and in 1918 you couldn't leave China and be in the US the next day.
The corona virus is different from the 1918 flu in that deaths are primarily with people who are already medically compromised whereas the 1918 flu kill young healthy adults. For example some of the military boot camps were very hard hit and those that died were primarily healthy fit young men.
However the influenza pandemic of 1918 infected approximately one-fourth of the 100 million population of the United States and killed an estimated 675,000 w/o modern transportation systems .
Globally, roughly 500 million people were infected, with a death toll estimated at 50 million out of a total of just over 2 billion (note that today China has around 1.5 billion) and in 1918 you couldn't leave China and be in the US the next day.
The corona virus is different from the 1918 flu in that deaths are primarily with people who are already medically compromised whereas the 1918 flu kill young healthy adults. For example some of the military boot camps were very hard hit and those that died were primarily healthy fit young men.
Let's hope this coronavirus stays relatively benign. A decade ago I had a tiny role planning avian influenza pandemic response for a northeast city. H5N1 had crossed the species barrier in Asia and was exceptionally deadly. A pandemic(s) could possibly come and go here - in waves of six and eight weeks. Only oseltamavir and zanamavir were deemed effective medications and supplies were insufficient for wide application. Daily necessities of life would be severely affected. Employers would be asked (told?) to furlough staff or have them telecommute. Zero public assemblies. Senior living and nursing facilities, a prep school and several colleges would be emptied - populations expected 'to go home' wherever that may be. Curfews, checkpoints and quarantine zones would be regulated by local, county and state officials including police. Martial law was not mentioned other than 'such planning is for others'.
-> What condition would trigger first actions from that plan? The mere appearance of infected individuals in any major travel hub one hop outside the US. No waiting for first cases in the US for H5N1. My plan? Vacate to a suitably stocked friend's place, way off the beaten track. The veneer of civilization is thin and fragile.
-> What condition would trigger first actions from that plan? The mere appearance of infected individuals in any major travel hub one hop outside the US. No waiting for first cases in the US for H5N1. My plan? Vacate to a suitably stocked friend's place, way off the beaten track. The veneer of civilization is thin and fragile.
USA government jet loading up Americans locked in Wuhan, the epicenter. Not enough room for all. It will be interesting to see how many if any at all contracted the virus.
Chinese are germaphobes. It has been in their culture definitely before this outbreak. Even prior to this outbreak in China and surrounding Asian countries I have seen a very high percentage of people wearing surgical masks. All the doctors in all the hospitals well prior to this outbreak wore surgical masks even in pleasant conversation as well as all store clerks and at least half of the general public.
It always was very difficult to understand peoples' speech muffled through the mask.
A few months back I went for treatment in an Asian country for a muscle tightness issue and spoke to the doctor. After a masked conversation, I was a little annoyed because I could not understand everything being said to me. Anyway, she looked cute and I told her that I would love to see her with her mask off. Neither her nor the masked nurses found my cute joke funny. Now in Asia, getting a girl's mask off is more difficult than removing her bra and panties.
They are so attached to their masks. And if you don't wear a mask, you are considered belligerent
and selfish. I am in a neighboring nation and I might have to succumb to dawning a mask for fear of not the virus but peer pressure.
Secretly, behind closed doors, I fitted a mask on to see how it feels. Asia is a bit cold now and I was pleasantly surprised that the inhalation and exhalation of breath creates a lovely warm environment in and around the face, much like an English scarf. Kind of puts you in your own kind of isolated space, isolated from the masses. Very peaceful sensation. I could see where it can cause addiction to mask-dawning.
Chinese are germaphobes. It has been in their culture definitely before this outbreak. Even prior to this outbreak in China and surrounding Asian countries I have seen a very high percentage of people wearing surgical masks. All the doctors in all the hospitals well prior to this outbreak wore surgical masks even in pleasant conversation as well as all store clerks and at least half of the general public.
It always was very difficult to understand peoples' speech muffled through the mask.
A few months back I went for treatment in an Asian country for a muscle tightness issue and spoke to the doctor. After a masked conversation, I was a little annoyed because I could not understand everything being said to me. Anyway, she looked cute and I told her that I would love to see her with her mask off. Neither her nor the masked nurses found my cute joke funny. Now in Asia, getting a girl's mask off is more difficult than removing her bra and panties.
They are so attached to their masks. And if you don't wear a mask, you are considered belligerent
and selfish. I am in a neighboring nation and I might have to succumb to dawning a mask for fear of not the virus but peer pressure.
Secretly, behind closed doors, I fitted a mask on to see how it feels. Asia is a bit cold now and I was pleasantly surprised that the inhalation and exhalation of breath creates a lovely warm environment in and around the face, much like an English scarf. Kind of puts you in your own kind of isolated space, isolated from the masses. Very peaceful sensation. I could see where it can cause addiction to mask-dawning.
Would you believe there are people out there that think the Coronavirus is caught from drinking Corona Beer. I'm not making this up. On Google a large number of people are actually searching for Corona Beer Virus. Lately, for this and other reasons my faith in the Human Race sinks lower and lower. I wouldn't be surprised if some people are fleeing Corona Queens.
I've said something like that to friends and they think I'm some kind of survivalist nut (I'm not — if I was I certainly wouldn't be living in such a populated place as LI with only a few pinch point ways to exit).
Also some people say best investment is to keep some gold to use to barter for essentials. I strongly disagree; best investment is some weapons and ammunition. Not joking.
Also some people say best investment is to keep some gold to use to barter for essentials. I strongly disagree; best investment is some weapons and ammunition. Not joking.
Sure. Weapons would be needed for your survival as the neighborhood would become Dodge City.
If the social structure broke down and LE was non-existent, it would behoove us to have the foresight of Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in "Scarface" and pull out a Colt AR-15 with a mocked-up M203 grenade launcher and in your best Cuban accent announce "You wanna play rough? Okay. SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!"
If the social structure broke down and LE was non-existent, it would behoove us to have the foresight of Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in "Scarface" and pull out a Colt AR-15 with a mocked-up M203 grenade launcher and in your best Cuban accent announce "You wanna play rough? Okay. SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!"
Wasn’t it during the SARS scare in China that signs were posted all around not to spit. Seems like their personal hygiene is questionable.
On another note google Black cloud over China. I’d never travel over there, due to air quality issues. Their coal fired power plants during Winter when Hydro’s cut back really pollute the air. 1.5 Billion people live in China.
On another note google Black cloud over China. I’d never travel over there, due to air quality issues. Their coal fired power plants during Winter when Hydro’s cut back really pollute the air. 1.5 Billion people live in China.
Even the N95 masks (these are medical masks rated to filter out 95% of 0.3 micron particles) would not be all that effective as even though the viruses in the coronavirus family are all quite large as far as viruses go they average a little over 0.1 microns.
However the N95 and even the non-medical paper dust and pollen masks you can get at a hardware store (average pollen size is 25 microns) would prevent virus that may be on your fingers from getting in your mouth and nose as the mask would be in the way. Of course they don't cover your eyes so that method of exposure is available to the virus.
Also masks may prevent large droplets from a sneeze of cough.
My take: waste of time, money and very inconvenient.
However the N95 and even the non-medical paper dust and pollen masks you can get at a hardware store (average pollen size is 25 microns) would prevent virus that may be on your fingers from getting in your mouth and nose as the mask would be in the way. Of course they don't cover your eyes so that method of exposure is available to the virus.
Also masks may prevent large droplets from a sneeze of cough.
My take: waste of time, money and very inconvenient.
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