i have never been to any of the g2g's nor have i ever met john j. i have been with b2s once last year and had a very very nice time. i have always supported her on these boards. but if johnj's story has any truth to it then b2s dissed him big time. he was very nice in saying that he was only dissappointed. if it were me i would have been totally pissed off. i have no problem with his post .
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John, B2S has a good and longstanding reputation, preceeding even the existence of UG. She probably wasn't comfortable with you and preferrered not o see you. Which is her right, I guess - to see whomever she is comfortable seeing. And the lady desn't owe anyone any apology or expalantion for that. At least, that's what I've heard from people on this board.
.......JJ, i was standing right there next to you outside and i told you to forget it. i know it sucks but it was a busy night and B2S was there early and left late....if you get my drift.....
hey i've had my share of missed opportunities with brenda also...it comes with the turf. you want to see her for a reason...she's very highly regarded by many, and not just on UG. the reason is that she's so unique. with that uniqueness come these hassles in setting up appointments.
[Edited by ozzy on 08-17-2001 at 05:32 PM]
hey i've had my share of missed opportunities with brenda also...it comes with the turf. you want to see her for a reason...she's very highly regarded by many, and not just on UG. the reason is that she's so unique. with that uniqueness come these hassles in setting up appointments.
[Edited by ozzy on 08-17-2001 at 05:32 PM]
You guys see my point?
One person posts that a well known member of this community stood him up, and now everybody has to get into it with their opinions of rumors of things whose true nature they know nothing about.
This board is supposed to be fun and educational.
The more it turns into a forum for people's real-life gripes about each other, and hordes of ignorant third parties expressing their opinion of rumors they've heard, the less useful and fun this board is for me.
fish
One person posts that a well known member of this community stood him up, and now everybody has to get into it with their opinions of rumors of things whose true nature they know nothing about.
This board is supposed to be fun and educational.
The more it turns into a forum for people's real-life gripes about each other, and hordes of ignorant third parties expressing their opinion of rumors they've heard, the less useful and fun this board is for me.
fish
FF - I'd be more than happy to agree with you that negative posts should not be made about UG providors' performance if you'll agree that if we ban negative posts then we must necessarily ban positive posts as well. Otherwise, if you filter just the negative posts than you allow the board to paint a very biased viewpoint of an individual.
What ought to be banned is knight in shining armor posts from anyone who has no direct knowledge of a situation (as opposed to, say, Oz's post above which relates the knowledge of someone in the presence of the events).
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One thing that continues to amaze me is that experienced johns are still surprised by a lack of professionalism exhibited by most providors. After years of reading these boards and being involved first hand, I've come to realize that we should really only be surprised when one exhibits any professionalism.
What ought to be banned is knight in shining armor posts from anyone who has no direct knowledge of a situation (as opposed to, say, Oz's post above which relates the knowledge of someone in the presence of the events).
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One thing that continues to amaze me is that experienced johns are still surprised by a lack of professionalism exhibited by most providors. After years of reading these boards and being involved first hand, I've come to realize that we should really only be surprised when one exhibits any professionalism.
I have to give JohnJ allot of credit for telling his story regarding B2C. How many of you guys, myself included, have accepted at one time or another a load of BS from a provider for a broken appointment that they were hot to see?
And why?
Because they knew that if the load of BS wasn't accepted, they would have no chance of ever seeing that provider, so you gulped and swallowed hard, trying your best not to offend and accept any BS that was shoveled your way. The providers know they can get away with the shit they do in regards to breaking appointments and standing guys up.
I think that if a study was done, and the following is just taken from reading different boards, escorts as a group would have a very high rate of car accidents, sudden deaths and illnesses in their families and cell phone failures.
And if you want to read just positive, glowing posts about the business, go read tbd, where negative posts are quickly deleted.
[Edited by Phantom on 08-17-2001 at 07:20 PM]
And why?
Because they knew that if the load of BS wasn't accepted, they would have no chance of ever seeing that provider, so you gulped and swallowed hard, trying your best not to offend and accept any BS that was shoveled your way. The providers know they can get away with the shit they do in regards to breaking appointments and standing guys up.
I think that if a study was done, and the following is just taken from reading different boards, escorts as a group would have a very high rate of car accidents, sudden deaths and illnesses in their families and cell phone failures.
And if you want to read just positive, glowing posts about the business, go read tbd, where negative posts are quickly deleted.
[Edited by Phantom on 08-17-2001 at 07:20 PM]
observations on this thread
I have been trying to book with B recently myself. On our last attempt, she canceled at the 11th hour. HOWEVER, I should hasten to point out that I myself had only tried to book her about two hours in advance, so I can't really complain.
I think John's post is pretty good, although his choice of adjectives in the summary probably could have been better. The facts should speak for themselves. Or should I say the "allegations", since B has herein acknowledged none of these events. Oh, Ozzy did in fact corroborate some of the story, so I correct myself.
The main thing I would say here is that I believe this thread has been a watershed in the UG history: nobody really got bent out of shape.
In summary, here are my current observations and suggestions for the participants:
JJ: Points made, let it go.
FF: Who of us really owns a thread?
HP: breathe in the good air, breathe out the bad air
RNB: excellent game plan
WSB and PS: gentlemen and scholars, carry on I say!
Oz: remarkably cogent, succinct and dispassionate
what is the world coming to?
Ph: I am beginning to genuinely feel a sadness for you.
SB: Hakuna Matata
[Edited by Humble Narrator on 08-17-2001 at 09:28 PM]
I have been trying to book with B recently myself. On our last attempt, she canceled at the 11th hour. HOWEVER, I should hasten to point out that I myself had only tried to book her about two hours in advance, so I can't really complain.
I think John's post is pretty good, although his choice of adjectives in the summary probably could have been better. The facts should speak for themselves. Or should I say the "allegations", since B has herein acknowledged none of these events. Oh, Ozzy did in fact corroborate some of the story, so I correct myself.
The main thing I would say here is that I believe this thread has been a watershed in the UG history: nobody really got bent out of shape.
In summary, here are my current observations and suggestions for the participants:
JJ: Points made, let it go.
FF: Who of us really owns a thread?
HP: breathe in the good air, breathe out the bad air
RNB: excellent game plan
WSB and PS: gentlemen and scholars, carry on I say!
Oz: remarkably cogent, succinct and dispassionate
what is the world coming to?
Ph: I am beginning to genuinely feel a sadness for you.
SB: Hakuna Matata
[Edited by Humble Narrator on 08-17-2001 at 09:28 PM]
Sure a lot of it is a load of BS.
Most people would not feel any better if the provider told you that she really doesn't want to see you because blah, blah, blah (I don't like you). So they lie. It's just like the old, "It's not you...it's me" bit. Evryone knows it's a lie but it feels better than I don't like you anymore.
Escorts do have personal lives. It seems that most clients have seem to ascribe to the theory that many escorts are "troubled" people in one respect or another. If this is true, then does it surprise you that their personal life is way more eventful, or their business practices reflect the freedom of being the proprietress of the business? I think many work enough to get them what they want, if circumstances change she might just decide that she doesn't really want to do her x:xxo'clock appointment. Crappy way to do business? Maybe. But then they would stop this practice before long if it really did affect their business.
In reference to littleguy's "What effect do we really have?" thread, I think our effect is momentary on their business. Why would anyone think any different when lust drives our actions? Yeah so X and X had a bad deal/time, what does it matter to the next guy if he decided that an escort is his type and decides to take a gamble and has a great session?
I've been shanked plenty. Me being a cheap bastard, I don't usually take it personally and say " I guess I saved xxx dollars". I've been to escorts where the picture isn't even remotely close to the live person. Live and learn. (Which by the way is proof positive that we have no effect, as this lady continues to do well)
Most people would not feel any better if the provider told you that she really doesn't want to see you because blah, blah, blah (I don't like you). So they lie. It's just like the old, "It's not you...it's me" bit. Evryone knows it's a lie but it feels better than I don't like you anymore.
Escorts do have personal lives. It seems that most clients have seem to ascribe to the theory that many escorts are "troubled" people in one respect or another. If this is true, then does it surprise you that their personal life is way more eventful, or their business practices reflect the freedom of being the proprietress of the business? I think many work enough to get them what they want, if circumstances change she might just decide that she doesn't really want to do her x:xxo'clock appointment. Crappy way to do business? Maybe. But then they would stop this practice before long if it really did affect their business.
In reference to littleguy's "What effect do we really have?" thread, I think our effect is momentary on their business. Why would anyone think any different when lust drives our actions? Yeah so X and X had a bad deal/time, what does it matter to the next guy if he decided that an escort is his type and decides to take a gamble and has a great session?
I've been shanked plenty. Me being a cheap bastard, I don't usually take it personally and say " I guess I saved xxx dollars". I've been to escorts where the picture isn't even remotely close to the live person. Live and learn. (Which by the way is proof positive that we have no effect, as this lady continues to do well)
Having never met with any of you fine hobbists and having never met B2C I can objectively say that I side with JohnJ. Why ? One reason, it seems she had better things to do that night and subsequent nights so be up front and stop pulling the guy's chain.
IMHO business must be so good that she can afford to offend someone who's a regular poster of a Hobby Board. Other than that I don't have a friggin clue.
Peace Out
C
IMHO business must be so good that she can afford to offend someone who's a regular poster of a Hobby Board. Other than that I don't have a friggin clue.
Peace Out
C
Fuck that Skagen, that's bullshit.
WSB's right yet again. (surprise, surprise)
I'm about as big a B2S booster as there is but if she did what John says she did, she owes him an apology at the very least. And a freebie or at least a nice discount at the most.
Although I must confess I was pretty whacked that night and I believe she was also. But that's no excuse.
WSB's right yet again. (surprise, surprise)
I'm about as big a B2S booster as there is but if she did what John says she did, she owes him an apology at the very least. And a freebie or at least a nice discount at the most.
Although I must confess I was pretty whacked that night and I believe she was also. But that's no excuse.
I can't comment on the two main protagonists in this thread, because I have met neither and obviously do not know the entire story (of course, this has seldom stopped me in the past). But I would like to relate a story of my own in this regard.
About a year and a half ago, I had made an appointment to meet the latest hot item on LI. She was "discovered" by the then reigning queen of that area, someone who I defended like an icon on TBD for ages, but that is another psychological textbook waiting to be written. Anyway, this new person had been introduced to the "queen" (whom I now liken to the queen in Aliens) by a friend of mine who I had met through the hobby. Anyway, to make a short story long, the time comes for our appointment, I call but get nothing but messages. Finally, I give up, realize I am being blown off, but this story has a happy ending. I luckily am able to scurry and make an appointment with another provider, who to this day still ranks as my # 1 ATF, and I get the additional pleasure of having my friend tell me that he had gotten in touch with my intended only to find out that she had completely forgotten about our tryst. I send her an e-mail in this regard, and instead of getting an apology, I get a rant stating something about our meeting not being definite, she couldn't get use of her friends apartment, yada, yada, yada. Never admitted to just forgetting, which I could have accepted. So, knowing what I knew from my friend, that she had forgotten the session, I have to admit that I got a chuckle out of the whole thing, wondering what type of personality would be so insecure as to have to script a load of bullshit to cover themselves.
Me, I forgot about her almost immediately, chalked it up to experience, still laugh to myself about the whole thing, and still recall with a smile my interlude with the person who stood in for her. I guess my point is, life is too short, we all can't please everybody. I truly believe that no one means to hurt anyone, but it happens, especially in this business. The best thing to do is move on to the next one, because there is always a next one. Good tidings to all involved.
MW
[Edited by mr. wonderful on 08-18-2001 at 12:29 AM]
About a year and a half ago, I had made an appointment to meet the latest hot item on LI. She was "discovered" by the then reigning queen of that area, someone who I defended like an icon on TBD for ages, but that is another psychological textbook waiting to be written. Anyway, this new person had been introduced to the "queen" (whom I now liken to the queen in Aliens) by a friend of mine who I had met through the hobby. Anyway, to make a short story long, the time comes for our appointment, I call but get nothing but messages. Finally, I give up, realize I am being blown off, but this story has a happy ending. I luckily am able to scurry and make an appointment with another provider, who to this day still ranks as my # 1 ATF, and I get the additional pleasure of having my friend tell me that he had gotten in touch with my intended only to find out that she had completely forgotten about our tryst. I send her an e-mail in this regard, and instead of getting an apology, I get a rant stating something about our meeting not being definite, she couldn't get use of her friends apartment, yada, yada, yada. Never admitted to just forgetting, which I could have accepted. So, knowing what I knew from my friend, that she had forgotten the session, I have to admit that I got a chuckle out of the whole thing, wondering what type of personality would be so insecure as to have to script a load of bullshit to cover themselves.
Me, I forgot about her almost immediately, chalked it up to experience, still laugh to myself about the whole thing, and still recall with a smile my interlude with the person who stood in for her. I guess my point is, life is too short, we all can't please everybody. I truly believe that no one means to hurt anyone, but it happens, especially in this business. The best thing to do is move on to the next one, because there is always a next one. Good tidings to all involved.
MW
[Edited by mr. wonderful on 08-18-2001 at 12:29 AM]
Sseems to me that if it happened (and I have no reason to doubt it and am certainly willing to take it at face value) that, given the nature of the business, soemthing like this should come as no surprise but that still doesn't mean it's not right and it shouldn't happen, on either side of the equation. Unfortunately, this is the way of world these days. If every guaged their behavior by how they would want to be treated soemthing like this would never happen.
And I don't think that, again assuming it happened exactly like it was stated, she owed him a freebie or a discount, deep or otherwise. An apology would be the appropriate response.
And the post is exactly the type of thing that should be posted (people will always debate over the words used and the tone) here.
And I don't think that, again assuming it happened exactly like it was stated, she owed him a freebie or a discount, deep or otherwise. An apology would be the appropriate response.
And the post is exactly the type of thing that should be posted (people will always debate over the words used and the tone) here.