Advice needed on getting ripped off

[erueru]

Had a horrible experience tonight and was wondering if I handled it wrong and what would you guys have done in my situation. Looking for advice.
Contacted some cunt for some quick head. Asked her in a text if she did girlfriend style, she said to call her. I called her and asked if she would do a short stay with BJ with no condom and she quoted me $80 but no uncovered sex. Once I got to the room as I’m taking off my pants I say that I only want a BJ no condom and no sex, so is $60 okay? She says no $80. Okay I say, cock in hand, walk over to her. She takes the money. She gets on her knees and proceeds to unwrap a condom. I say whoa, I said no condom. She says that will be $100. I said forget it, and I want my money back and I’ll be gone. She fucking flips out, starts screaming at me to get the fuck out or she’ll call” her man”. She herself is a big tall tough girl really that scared the shit out of me. I figured it’s best to just put my pants back on and book. I got dressed and reminded her of our texts and phone conversation where we discussed pricing for a BJ no condom. She fucking screamed at me again and told me I was lucky I didn’t get a beating. I was calm the whole time, by the way, trying to de-escalate the situation.
Once I got in my car, I felt like a putz for basically getting ripped off but figured it was wiser to just leave rather than continue the conversation with her pimp.
What would you all have done? How would you have handled this? I realize I’m not the first person this has happened to.
By the way, it was Cassie 929-270-3204 (Backpage LI,NY
Not sure where to post this, and I didn’t want it to make it a review of her per se, more to the issue of how to handle getting ripped off by scary hookers who either lie or misunderstand, and keep the money under threat.

 

[backseat]

let's all book with her and be no shows. I would have done just what you did, get out safe

 

[genius]

....I called her and asked if she would do a short stay with BJ with no condom and she quoted me $80 but no uncovered sex. Once I got to the room as I’m taking off my pants I say that I only want a BJ no condom and no sex, so is $60 okay? She says no $80. Okay I say, cock in hand, walk over to her. She takes the money. She gets on her knees and proceeds to unwrap a condom. I say whoa, I said no condom. She says that will be $100. I said forget it, and I want my money back and I’ll be gone. ..... I got dressed and reminded her of our texts and phone conversation where we discussed pricing for a BJ no condom. .......
By the way, it was Cassie 929-270-3204 (Backpage LI,NY
Not sure where to post this, and I didn’t want it to make it a review of her per se, more to the issue of how to handle getting ripped off by scary hookers who either lie or misunderstand, and keep the money under threat.

IMHO you both handled this poorly.
Over the phone you tell her what you want and she quotes you a price. If that price was unacceptable to you the correct (from a proper business point of view - and after all this is a business transaction) was to say at that time "I'm sure you are worth it but I only have $60 available to spend and covered bj doesn't do it for me". This allows her to save face and accept your counter offer or to say "No, I get $80 for what you want" and let you accept or hang up (I've had both happen at various times).
Then you get to the room and you lowball her on what was, from her point of view, your implicit acceptance (by not making a counter offer at that time) of her phone offer. You play games - she then plays games (sounds like she was pissed).
Look at it this way - you call up a service station and say you want a Mobile 1 synthetic oil change with Fram filter for your model make car (you give engine size, year, etc) and the guy quotes you $50. You tell him you are coming over.
He pulls your car into the bay and you say that you don't want to pay $50 - you only want to pay $40. I would suspect that he would get pissed just like Cassie did.

 

[erueru]

Genius- you are correct in that I may have mishandled the negotiating but my question to the community is more to the point about how to handle the situation once the deal goes bad.
The fact they can literally refuse to give your money back after 12 seconds and start threatening in an aggressive manner is what I can't wrap my head around.
I know there's no customer service department but is there no recourse?

 

[LISteve]

When you are dealing with the cheaper side of this industry you have to realize that pimps/drugs/alcohol and psychosis are all at play. You simply can't expect sane and reasonable behavior. After it went bad .. you knew in your mind that played a game and you lost a gamble ... best to leave safe and in one piece. You did the right thing. There was no way you were getting your money back.

 

[latinoli]

Maybe what you couldve done was tell her sorry to waste our time can you give back $60. But was both wrong and ripped off.

 

[genius]

....I know there's no customer service department but is there no recourse?

Nope. You walk away.

 

[Slinky Bender]

Like most things in life, the way to stop problems is to avoid them rather than trying to fix them once they have occured. I agree with genius that the way to solve this problem is not to do things which will cause it to begin with.

 

[trigger]

Hey! You are lucky to get out in one piece. I always assume that these chicks can pull a knife or worse. As mongers, we need to be careful because you do not know what you are walking into. Stay safe on all.fronts.

 

[erueru]

Here goes:
I am going to relate an even worse occurrence that happened to me years ago. I never posted about I think because it has upset me so much in the last few years that I didn't even want to think about it. I posted a review years back on this very board of some one of whom I gave a mixed review. On one hand she gave exceptional head, on the other hand she was an overweight grotesque creature. After the review posted I met up with this provider (who took my review obviously personally as I had used some harsh descriptions). After I removed my clothes, she proceeded to lock the bedroom door, reach under her bed and point a fucking handgun at my face and told me to give me all my money. I obliged and she demanded my wallet which I said was in my car. She made me, under the point of a gun, go outside and empty my wallet in her hand. She was upset that I had used insulting and derogatory language in my review. So she robbed me at gunpoint over a review.
Ok, now was there any recourse? Could I have called the police? Would they have arrested me as well? I've thought about this a lot since this happened and I must say it scared my out of mongering for a while and may have influenced my meek retreat which is at the heart of my original post here. I have always wondered a lot since then if I had any legal recourse that night.

 

[Banacek]

IMHO, you need to get a handle on when it's best not to speak. Regarding the overweight provider, no one - pardon the irony here - put a gun to your head and made you go along with the deed to begin with. If she was so grotesque, why even bother letting her service you? But then, probably to your amazement, she gives you "exceptional head." So how do you reward this experience? You slam her. And then you have the balls to meet up with her again. WTF is wrong with you? My hat's off to the hooker for getting even with you.

You should ask yourself whether you have some kind of quirk where you need to put yourself into dangerous situations in order to enjoy the experience. Cause obviously, just getting good head ain't doing it for you. So, it would seem that you got just what you were looking for from both providers.

 

[erueru]

Wow, that's harsh. You're saying I deserved being the victim of a violent crime because I dared criticize someone's weight on a review board? Is that what you're saying? I hope that never happens to you, my friend.

 

[genius]

Wow, that's harsh. You're saying I deserved being the victim of a violent crime because I dared criticize someone's weight on a review board? Is that what you're saying? I hope that never happens to you, my friend.

It's not that you deserved it - it is just that you shouldn't be surprised that when you do stuff like that you increase dramatically the possibility of bad things happening to you.

An illustrative thought experiment:
You are sitting at a traffic light in your convertible with the top down on a fine summer day looking at your cell phone. There are a couple of bad looking dudes siting on their motorcycles behind you. The light turns green and you don't notice. The bad looking dudes lean on their horns and shout profanities at you. You turn around and give them the finger.

Do you deserve to be dragged out of your car and have the crap beat outa you?
No you don't.
Is there a significant possibility that it can happen?
Yes.
Did you do something to increase that probability?
Yes you did.

ps. When I go into an AMP, pickup a SW or see an escort I have with me:
My wallet containing only my drivers license and the amount of cash I am willing to spend
A car key - no remote, no house key
2 condoms
Everything else is locked in my car's trunk

 

[erueru]

Looks like I'm not gonna getting any sympathy whatsoever here. You guys sound like the Paris terrorist sympathizers those who say "well that's what you get when you print cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, Charlie Hebdo knew the risks!"...Yeah I know, an imperfect analogy, but I digress.
Anyway can somebody please address what would happen if a totally innocent monger, (obviously not me) were to get held up in an armed robbery by a prostitute. My question is to the board: could you tell a cop and expect any recourse?

 

[genius]

Anyway can somebody please address what would happen if a totally innocent monger, (obviously not me) were to get held up in an armed robbery by a prostitute. My question is to the board: could you tell a cop and expect any recourse?

It is not a crime to pick up a hitchhiker. It is not a crime for you to get a massage in a hotel room (although it is a crime for an unlicensed person to give a massage). I would think the cops would want to know about someone doing armed robberies. However if it gets in the news do you really want your name out there?
Anyway - I think walking away from it is the best action.

Looks like I'm not gonna getting any sympathy whatsoever here. You guys sound like the Paris terrorist sympathizers those who say "well that's what you get when you print cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, Charlie Hebdo knew the risks!"...Yeah I know, an imperfect analogy, but I digress.?

Actually Charlie Hebdo is a good analogy but again you are confusing the cause of something with setting up a situation where your actions increase the probability of it happening:

To rephrase my post:
Do Charlie Hebdo deserve to be murdered for the cartoons he drew?
No.
Did he know that there was significant possibility that it could happen?
Yes.
Did Charlie Hebdo do something to increase that probability?
Yes he did.

 

[Slinky Bender]

While it won't get you remuneration you could have gone to a payphone and anonymously reported that you called an escort and when you went there she robbed you at gunpoint. In general "drugs and guns" is something most police departments take very seriously.

 

[Banacek]

Wow, that's harsh. You're saying I deserved being the victim of a violent crime because I dared criticize someone's weight on a review board? Is that what you're saying? I hope that never happens to you, my friend.

Without seeing the actual review, I have no idea what you termed her. But in your post, you referred to her as being more than overweight. You added "grotesque creature."
And I never said you deserved to be a victim of a violent crime. Rather, I congratulated the girl for getting even. But to be fair to you, adding the gun did take it too far. Taking your money did seem fair turnabout, though.
Still, I wonder if the excitement is what you were after all along. If so, you got your money's worth. Be happy that's all it cost you.

 

[Slinky Bender]

Getting even? You think robbing a guy is "even" with writing a bad review?

Although I do think if someone got robbed at gunpoint then posting a warning to other guys might have been merited.

 

[genius]

While it won't get you remuneration you could have gone to a payphone and anonymously reported that you called an escort and when you went there she robbed you at gunpoint. In general "drugs and guns" is something most police departments take very seriously.

I thought the same thing - but then I thought to myself "Where the hell do I find a payphone"

 

[out of control]

You could have called it in and the cops would have arrested her and charged her with robbery and gun possession. They would not have arrested you for patronizing a prostitution. They care much more about robbery and guns. When a prostitute is robbed at gunpoint, which happens much more frequently, the cops go after the robbers and do not charge the girl.