A New Jersey board
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There are literally HUNDREDS of massage joints in NJ including Nirvana/Pines; dozens of escort agencies; and dozens of independents. More than enough to make dozens of interesting threads for a NJ Board. Plus, what about the neglected South Jersey area that always seems to end up as "Philadelphia"?
I don't see why there's doubt that a NJ Board would thrive. I also don't agree that lumping it in with NY is effective. If NY can be divided into "NY" and "NY Spa", I really don't think it's overkill to have a NJ Category.
Just my two cents
I don't see why there's doubt that a NJ Board would thrive. I also don't agree that lumping it in with NY is effective. If NY can be divided into "NY" and "NY Spa", I really don't think it's overkill to have a NJ Category.
Just my two cents
what's the problem?
Why the reluctance to start an NJ board? Am I missing something here?
Look at the recency, # threads, # posts on the regional boards. The NY board dwarfs the others by every measure. How can splitting out NJ be a bad thing? Seems like it will only improve convenience. The other regional boards are a joke, but NJ could really be useful.
But why speculate? JUST DO IT! Don't see how it can be bad, but, if so, just fold it back into NY.
Why the reluctance to start an NJ board? Am I missing something here?
Look at the recency, # threads, # posts on the regional boards. The NY board dwarfs the others by every measure. How can splitting out NJ be a bad thing? Seems like it will only improve convenience. The other regional boards are a joke, but NJ could really be useful.
But why speculate? JUST DO IT! Don't see how it can be bad, but, if so, just fold it back into NY.
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I guess I don't understand the work involved.
How difficult is it to simply create an NJ board? No need to pull old messages from other boards into the NJ board: posters can simply begin using the NJ board if they wish. If it doesn't fly, just "lock" the NJ board so no new posts can be added ... again, don't think you'd necessarily need to merge the NJ messages into some other board.
Just my $.02
I guess I don't understand the work involved.
How difficult is it to simply create an NJ board? No need to pull old messages from other boards into the NJ board: posters can simply begin using the NJ board if they wish. If it doesn't fly, just "lock" the NJ board so no new posts can be added ... again, don't think you'd necessarily need to merge the NJ messages into some other board.
Just my $.02
Lets take a look at some of the arguements against a seperate NJ board.
EW claims that there's not even critical mass for a NJ board. Yet there is more then a dozen posters who posted in this thread requesting a seperate NJ board. Allot of these posters are not just lurkers either.
Where's the critical mass for the Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas boards?
Consider these facts;
Of the 82 threads on the regional boards, Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas, 27 of them are outright ads posted by providers who except for their ads do not have not contributed to any discussion. Posts that if were placed on the NYC board would have been deleted.
Of the 82 threads on the regional boards, Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas, 47 got zero responses. Another 18 only got 1 response each. Of these 65 threads which had 1 or less responses, they had 2,534 reads. GD there's allot lurkers on these boards.
EW also states that NJ is TOO large an area for a seperate board. NJ is 1/20th the size of California and 1/40th the size of Texas, yet both California and Texas have their own seperate boards. If you divide NJ in half and group NNJ with NY and SNJ with the Mid-Atlantic board you get the same sort of size difference as you have with California and Texas. Plus SNJ right now is lumped in with Philly, Baltimore and DC. This is akin to having NYC and Boston posts on the same board.
All I'm asking for is the same chance that hobbyists in Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas were given, a seperate New Jersey board.
EW claims that there's not even critical mass for a NJ board. Yet there is more then a dozen posters who posted in this thread requesting a seperate NJ board. Allot of these posters are not just lurkers either.
Where's the critical mass for the Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas boards?
Consider these facts;
Of the 82 threads on the regional boards, Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas, 27 of them are outright ads posted by providers who except for their ads do not have not contributed to any discussion. Posts that if were placed on the NYC board would have been deleted.
Of the 82 threads on the regional boards, Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas, 47 got zero responses. Another 18 only got 1 response each. Of these 65 threads which had 1 or less responses, they had 2,534 reads. GD there's allot lurkers on these boards.
EW also states that NJ is TOO large an area for a seperate board. NJ is 1/20th the size of California and 1/40th the size of Texas, yet both California and Texas have their own seperate boards. If you divide NJ in half and group NNJ with NY and SNJ with the Mid-Atlantic board you get the same sort of size difference as you have with California and Texas. Plus SNJ right now is lumped in with Philly, Baltimore and DC. This is akin to having NYC and Boston posts on the same board.
All I'm asking for is the same chance that hobbyists in Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas were given, a seperate New Jersey board.
California and Texas are of no concern to me. They are also non-factors as far as UG is concerned. I assume that when this board started the ideal scenario would have been for this board to have been nationwide in reach.
This obviously didn't happen. My guesses why:
there are established regional boards already in some of those areas,
TBD is the "national" board (like it or not),
a board,
as Phantom has pointed out a board lives and dies with their major posters.
As for the last point, I doubt that many of the Nj posters limit themselves to NJ geographically. My point is that NJ is naturally dominated by NY and Philly, either of which has far more activity. You could start a NJ board but that is like mining a lode that has a lower yield of ore than the mother lode right next to it.
An extra board places additional strain on posters, not readers. We might read it all but we may not post. So, it is a certainty that the NY board will lose valuable posters and traffic, weakening it for a board that will never really be a major factor. I think JAG gives enough coverage, maybe not as nice a playground, but it isn't free and/or reliable. With the additional drain on resources mentioned lately in the threads by the people who run UG it seems a bad time to expand.
It's easy to ask to expand but I think it will weaken UG, and since SB and others are footing the bill and probably overloaded right now...
This obviously didn't happen. My guesses why:
there are established regional boards already in some of those areas,
TBD is the "national" board (like it or not),
a board,
as Phantom has pointed out a board lives and dies with their major posters.
As for the last point, I doubt that many of the Nj posters limit themselves to NJ geographically. My point is that NJ is naturally dominated by NY and Philly, either of which has far more activity. You could start a NJ board but that is like mining a lode that has a lower yield of ore than the mother lode right next to it.
An extra board places additional strain on posters, not readers. We might read it all but we may not post. So, it is a certainty that the NY board will lose valuable posters and traffic, weakening it for a board that will never really be a major factor. I think JAG gives enough coverage, maybe not as nice a playground, but it isn't free and/or reliable. With the additional drain on resources mentioned lately in the threads by the people who run UG it seems a bad time to expand.
It's easy to ask to expand but I think it will weaken UG, and since SB and others are footing the bill and probably overloaded right now...
EW at least we agree on one thing, that being that California and Texas are non-factors as far as Utopia Guide is concerned. Utopia Guide started as just a NYC metro area board back in December of 2000. Both the California and Texas boards were added in March of 2001.
FWIW and IMHO, Utopia Guide has surpassed both tbd and JAG for NJ/NYC/CT/LI info. I say this not only because UG is at this time free, but because of the qualities of the posters there, but also because of it's high percentage of being online and therefore being accessible when needed. I was a member of JAG during it's best days and I see the same sort of high level discussion that was on JAG at that time now taking place on UG. UG is great because of the qualities of it's posters, both guys and dolls, and the moderator, Slinkybender, who I'm sure must lose sleep at nights over some posts, but allows a very censorship free board and who does a great job.
It's true that NJ is dominated by Philly in the south and NYC in the north and this is the reason I believe that a separate NJ is necessary. Posts about NJ providers get lost in the sheer number of posts to the NYC board. There comes a time when something grows large enough and successful enough that it can survive spin offs. What's wrong with Utopia Guide striving to become the premier source for info for the NJ/NYC/LI/CT area? There are many corporate parks in NJ with hotels nearby that provide rooms for what I'm sure are many loney businessmen.
Was the NYC board weaken when the spa board was spun off? No, not at all. The spa board provides a venue for those interested in the MP scene to search for info without searching through the NYC board for the info they wish. Are they under any additional strain by posting MP info on the spa board? Somehow I doubt it. You say that if there is a separate NJ board the NYC board will lose valuable posters and traffic, but if you notice, quite a few of the posters on the spa board also post on the NYC board and elsewhere on UG. You act as if a separate NJ board comes into existence the posters who post there will not post in the other sections of UG. I'm sure they will continue to post in other sections of UG.
As for your claim that it's a bad time for UG to expand because of the additional strain on resources, well, lets just see what the future brings.
And Ozzy if you can give me the name and contact info for one indie on Staten Island, I'll support your request for a separate SI board if you think it's time for that.
[Edited by Phantom on 06-30-2001 at 08:08 PM]
FWIW and IMHO, Utopia Guide has surpassed both tbd and JAG for NJ/NYC/CT/LI info. I say this not only because UG is at this time free, but because of the qualities of the posters there, but also because of it's high percentage of being online and therefore being accessible when needed. I was a member of JAG during it's best days and I see the same sort of high level discussion that was on JAG at that time now taking place on UG. UG is great because of the qualities of it's posters, both guys and dolls, and the moderator, Slinkybender, who I'm sure must lose sleep at nights over some posts, but allows a very censorship free board and who does a great job.
It's true that NJ is dominated by Philly in the south and NYC in the north and this is the reason I believe that a separate NJ is necessary. Posts about NJ providers get lost in the sheer number of posts to the NYC board. There comes a time when something grows large enough and successful enough that it can survive spin offs. What's wrong with Utopia Guide striving to become the premier source for info for the NJ/NYC/LI/CT area? There are many corporate parks in NJ with hotels nearby that provide rooms for what I'm sure are many loney businessmen.
Was the NYC board weaken when the spa board was spun off? No, not at all. The spa board provides a venue for those interested in the MP scene to search for info without searching through the NYC board for the info they wish. Are they under any additional strain by posting MP info on the spa board? Somehow I doubt it. You say that if there is a separate NJ board the NYC board will lose valuable posters and traffic, but if you notice, quite a few of the posters on the spa board also post on the NYC board and elsewhere on UG. You act as if a separate NJ board comes into existence the posters who post there will not post in the other sections of UG. I'm sure they will continue to post in other sections of UG.
As for your claim that it's a bad time for UG to expand because of the additional strain on resources, well, lets just see what the future brings.
And Ozzy if you can give me the name and contact info for one indie on Staten Island, I'll support your request for a separate SI board if you think it's time for that.
[Edited by Phantom on 06-30-2001 at 08:08 PM]
