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Although it's been more than a year since I last used them, I've had fairly consistently (not invariably) good experiences with Le Directoire (http://www.ledirectoire.com) (forget the pictures -- nobody claims they have anything to do with actual available working women).
But nobody's 100%.
And I'd say it's more like they'll send you "roughly what they described" rather than "exactly what you asked for".
But nobody's 100%.
And I'd say it's more like they'll send you "roughly what they described" rather than "exactly what you asked for".
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I had a fairly good experience recently with Eve's Apple (http://www.eves-apple.net). Certainly their pictures are real. But you have to really like this type of thing to like it -- it's not going to do it for you if you're looking for someone who looks like she stepped out of a men's magazine to "rock your world". I posted about it at length somewhere else on UG -- http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=69508&highlight=eves+apple#post69508.
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I don't know if this qualifies as high end, but in the three or so years of engaging in this activity, I've spent most of my money on providers in the $500 - $700 range, with several forays into the $1000 plus category.
My general impressions?: the $1000+ women have not been worth it for me, either in the looks or service/demeanor/fantasy-fulfillment department. This is not to say that they cannot be worth it for anyone, and I've had at least one occasion with a $1000+ provider that was pretty damn awesome. But the main reason I say this is that many of these ultra-expensive girls slum at the mid-high-end agencies for the volume of calls. The same girl sometimes will book out at wildly varying rates at the same agency, based on whose "picture" you ask for, and what the agency thinks they can get out of you. I've had several "high-end" providers tell me this. Think about it: how many sheiks, internet millionaires, and Wall-Streeters (who haven't lost their shirts yet in stocks) are out there and who are willing to blow a grand, two grand or more for an hour with one of these girls? So for me, the mid-high-end girls have come closest to fulfilling the kind of experience I look for with a provider, at a price that at least hovers around being reasonable.
On to my specific impressions of agencies. Now, I don't claim that anything I'm about to say is definitive, as my experience with some of these agencies is limited. And as always, the experience depends ultimately on your tastes, your mood, and whatever chemistry you're able to achieve with a particular girl on a particular occasion. Also, I'm not as concerned with what acronyms a girl is willing to perform, but rather with her overall demeanor, warmth, and personability -- in short, how she makes me feel to be with her. With these caveats in mind, in no particular order:
EliteModels.net (same owner, I believe, as Chez Brigitte; at least according to the caller id on my phone): the times I've used them, photo was definitely fake. Phone girl will insist that all photos are real. Service and attitude vary somewhat: some girls DFK (which is something I particularly like), BBBJ; others won't consider it. Looks, while good, have honestly been less than what I was expecting. Too hit-and-miss imo at this price ($800 - $1200 for the girls I tried)
Enchantee (I think they're called Portfolio Elite now): the one time I tried them, it was an egregious bait and switch. The girl didn't come close to being the one in the photo, either in age or looks. She was plenty nice and accomodating, but not worth the fee imo in terms of looks.
Fleur de Elite: pics are real, at least the times I've used them. Couple of very nice experiences, although unfortunately both with girls no longer with them. Other times, service was quite mechanical, uninspired and rushed. Looks generally are of quite a high caliber at this agency. But given the varying service, too hit-and-miss imo at this price ($1000 - $1500 for the girls I tried).
Charles' Angels: pics are real, at least for some of the girls; some of the girls I've seen had no pics. The looks and service here in my experience vary wildly. Some girls are extremely accomodating (one offered me bbfs, which I declined of course); some are pretty cold fish and not worth the fee imo in terms of looks.
Belladonna/Lefleurissimo: laughingly fake photos. Looks and service though, the couple of times I've tried them, was surprisingly good at the price ($500).
Mona Lisa models: looks vary wildly, but service and attitude have been pretty consistent. Some photos on site are real, many are obviously fake.
I realize after going over this list that I haven't yet found an agency yet that I'm fully happy with; sorry but I guess my post doesn't really respond to the original poster's query. I guess if I had to pick one agency that I was happiest, or least unhappy with, all things considered, it would be Mona Lisa. There are others I want to try, but haven't gotten around to: American Beauties, Tower Models, NY Elites. But I hope my experiences help you guys as you wade through the sea of agencies out there. A couple of other points: some agencies will email real photos of girls they think you might like after you've used them a few times. And some girls will offer you their phone number so you can see them while cutting out the agency middle man. I'm not sure of the ethicality of cutting out the agency that introduced you to the girl, but I personally don't lose too much sleep over this because I know there's a pretty good chance I'll use the agency again. Hope some of this is helpful, and good luck.
My general impressions?: the $1000+ women have not been worth it for me, either in the looks or service/demeanor/fantasy-fulfillment department. This is not to say that they cannot be worth it for anyone, and I've had at least one occasion with a $1000+ provider that was pretty damn awesome. But the main reason I say this is that many of these ultra-expensive girls slum at the mid-high-end agencies for the volume of calls. The same girl sometimes will book out at wildly varying rates at the same agency, based on whose "picture" you ask for, and what the agency thinks they can get out of you. I've had several "high-end" providers tell me this. Think about it: how many sheiks, internet millionaires, and Wall-Streeters (who haven't lost their shirts yet in stocks) are out there and who are willing to blow a grand, two grand or more for an hour with one of these girls? So for me, the mid-high-end girls have come closest to fulfilling the kind of experience I look for with a provider, at a price that at least hovers around being reasonable.
On to my specific impressions of agencies. Now, I don't claim that anything I'm about to say is definitive, as my experience with some of these agencies is limited. And as always, the experience depends ultimately on your tastes, your mood, and whatever chemistry you're able to achieve with a particular girl on a particular occasion. Also, I'm not as concerned with what acronyms a girl is willing to perform, but rather with her overall demeanor, warmth, and personability -- in short, how she makes me feel to be with her. With these caveats in mind, in no particular order:
EliteModels.net (same owner, I believe, as Chez Brigitte; at least according to the caller id on my phone): the times I've used them, photo was definitely fake. Phone girl will insist that all photos are real. Service and attitude vary somewhat: some girls DFK (which is something I particularly like), BBBJ; others won't consider it. Looks, while good, have honestly been less than what I was expecting. Too hit-and-miss imo at this price ($800 - $1200 for the girls I tried)
Enchantee (I think they're called Portfolio Elite now): the one time I tried them, it was an egregious bait and switch. The girl didn't come close to being the one in the photo, either in age or looks. She was plenty nice and accomodating, but not worth the fee imo in terms of looks.
Fleur de Elite: pics are real, at least the times I've used them. Couple of very nice experiences, although unfortunately both with girls no longer with them. Other times, service was quite mechanical, uninspired and rushed. Looks generally are of quite a high caliber at this agency. But given the varying service, too hit-and-miss imo at this price ($1000 - $1500 for the girls I tried).
Charles' Angels: pics are real, at least for some of the girls; some of the girls I've seen had no pics. The looks and service here in my experience vary wildly. Some girls are extremely accomodating (one offered me bbfs, which I declined of course); some are pretty cold fish and not worth the fee imo in terms of looks.
Belladonna/Lefleurissimo: laughingly fake photos. Looks and service though, the couple of times I've tried them, was surprisingly good at the price ($500).
Mona Lisa models: looks vary wildly, but service and attitude have been pretty consistent. Some photos on site are real, many are obviously fake.
I realize after going over this list that I haven't yet found an agency yet that I'm fully happy with; sorry but I guess my post doesn't really respond to the original poster's query. I guess if I had to pick one agency that I was happiest, or least unhappy with, all things considered, it would be Mona Lisa. There are others I want to try, but haven't gotten around to: American Beauties, Tower Models, NY Elites. But I hope my experiences help you guys as you wade through the sea of agencies out there. A couple of other points: some agencies will email real photos of girls they think you might like after you've used them a few times. And some girls will offer you their phone number so you can see them while cutting out the agency middle man. I'm not sure of the ethicality of cutting out the agency that introduced you to the girl, but I personally don't lose too much sleep over this because I know there's a pretty good chance I'll use the agency again. Hope some of this is helpful, and good luck.
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From my experience, once you have managed to become
intimate with the Madam they will then give you very
reliable advice about who is worth seeing and who
is not.
either way it is very rare that quality improves
above the 600 per hour level except when you
jump up drastically to the overnight only types which
sometimes I have found worthwhile provided that
they are only seeing one or two clients per week.
intimate with the Madam they will then give you very
reliable advice about who is worth seeing and who
is not.
either way it is very rare that quality improves
above the 600 per hour level except when you
jump up drastically to the overnight only types which
sometimes I have found worthwhile provided that
they are only seeing one or two clients per week.
Originally posted by justlooking
Thank you thank you thank you.
PS -- You might want to wade through the "You Asked For It Thread" so you can see just how funny your opening phrase was.
Thank you thank you thank you.
PS -- You might want to wade through the "You Asked For It Thread" so you can see just how funny your opening phrase was.
No problem. I sincerely hope my comments can be of some use. As for what price point demarcates "high end," I guess I was just going by what some of the girls themselves have mentioned to me: they seem to consider $1k and up high end. And reflecting the ambivalence that seems to pervade the psychology of many of these girls, some also look with a touch of contempt at those who spend that much, or can spend that much, on a regular basis: the calls pay well, but a lot of the guys are pathetically lonely rich guys who sometimes don't even want sex, just company; or can't have it because they're too coked up. Some girls have told me the regular high-enders are often the least demanding, service-wise, of clients; they're just happy to have eye/arm candy around while they're doing their thing. Could you imagine paying that much just to have some girl hang around?
ogami- Its a lot cheaper and easier to pay these gold-digger chicks to leave than to actually have a "relationship".
If you want some data points to analyze, consider talking to the people at Whiskey Park on CPS about the hot-looking chicks who get pregnant when some guy's bonus pans out - it happens a lot.
If you want some data points to analyze, consider talking to the people at Whiskey Park on CPS about the hot-looking chicks who get pregnant when some guy's bonus pans out - it happens a lot.
be honest
Let's be honest here. As long as there are guys who will pay $500 and up, there will be girls who charge these rates.
I have found that price does not always equal quality. Many times my $200 experiences are better than my $350 experiences.
It's like a car, just because it is more expensive, doesn't mean it is substantially a better quality car. Sometimes what is under the hood is what is most important; not what is on the surface, or the price tag.
Let's be honest here. As long as there are guys who will pay $500 and up, there will be girls who charge these rates.
I have found that price does not always equal quality. Many times my $200 experiences are better than my $350 experiences.
It's like a car, just because it is more expensive, doesn't mean it is substantially a better quality car. Sometimes what is under the hood is what is most important; not what is on the surface, or the price tag.
Re: be honest
Don't take it personal but ...........
The High End Room was set up to discuss high end women and service and availability etc. That is exactly why it was set up. Not whether they are worth it vis a vis a lower cost provider. Those discussions are for the general board.
Originally posted by jrman66
Let's be honest here. As long as there are guys who will pay $500 and up, there will be girls who charge these rates.
I have found that price does not always equal quality. Many times my $200 experiences are better than my $350 experiences.
It's like a car, just because it is more expensive, doesn't mean it is substantially a better quality car. Sometimes what is under the hood is what is most important; not what is on the surface, or the price tag.
Let's be honest here. As long as there are guys who will pay $500 and up, there will be girls who charge these rates.
I have found that price does not always equal quality. Many times my $200 experiences are better than my $350 experiences.
It's like a car, just because it is more expensive, doesn't mean it is substantially a better quality car. Sometimes what is under the hood is what is most important; not what is on the surface, or the price tag.
The High End Room was set up to discuss high end women and service and availability etc. That is exactly why it was set up. Not whether they are worth it vis a vis a lower cost provider. Those discussions are for the general board.
worth a try?
I came into the high end room looking for some leads on the high end agencies....I figure its time to try some......If what I read here is correct.......so many fake pictures....its quite discouraging....Maybe these things should be brought up in general.......False advertising is false advertising
I came into the high end room looking for some leads on the high end agencies....I figure its time to try some......If what I read here is correct.......so many fake pictures....its quite discouraging....Maybe these things should be brought up in general.......False advertising is false advertising
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To an extent, I agree with both BigMadM and justlooking. I have pretty particular tastes when it comes to which women I find attractive, and would consider worth it for me to spend $500 and up on. So especially when trying a 'high end' agency for the first time, I would like to think that who they'll send to me is more or less congruous with the expectation I've formed, via a combination of pictures on the agency's website and talking to the phone person. That said, I agree with justlooking that in this market segment, the better approach is to try and find one or more agencies whom you can trust to maintain a certain level of quality when it comes to who they'll hire, and to let them get to know your preferences so that they can make sound suggestions as to who they think you'll like.
The problem with this approach, though, is that it takes quite a bit of trial and error -- and money. I've spent more than I'd like to recall on sessions with high-end women that I left feeling disappointed. But I've had some memorable and enjoyable ones too. And some of these have been with girls I met, sight unseen, based on an agency's recommendation. So I agree that in this segment, it can pay to be willing to experiment. But I also wish that we could be sure every time to get the girl whose 'picture' we pick. In a perfect world, maybe, but a lot of these girls don't want their pictures plastered all over the internet. Also, it seems to me that girls come and go quite frequently in this segment; pictures on agency websites, less so. So BigMadM, try to experiment if your wallet can stand it. There are some gems out there. Fleur, like I said, maintains quite a high standard when it comes to looks, but doesn't seem to toe a company line when it comes to service. Mona Lisa in my experience is the converse: all the girls I've tried there were pretty accomodating and personable, but looks were hit and miss. Good luck.
The problem with this approach, though, is that it takes quite a bit of trial and error -- and money. I've spent more than I'd like to recall on sessions with high-end women that I left feeling disappointed. But I've had some memorable and enjoyable ones too. And some of these have been with girls I met, sight unseen, based on an agency's recommendation. So I agree that in this segment, it can pay to be willing to experiment. But I also wish that we could be sure every time to get the girl whose 'picture' we pick. In a perfect world, maybe, but a lot of these girls don't want their pictures plastered all over the internet. Also, it seems to me that girls come and go quite frequently in this segment; pictures on agency websites, less so. So BigMadM, try to experiment if your wallet can stand it. There are some gems out there. Fleur, like I said, maintains quite a high standard when it comes to looks, but doesn't seem to toe a company line when it comes to service. Mona Lisa in my experience is the converse: all the girls I've tried there were pretty accomodating and personable, but looks were hit and miss. Good luck.
I get the picture jl
Originally posted by justlooking
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What else do I have to go on? An agency shows me a beautiful model and says 800 bucks an hour. I agree and then they send me anyone they please? That doesnt make sense to me as a purchaser. Why would I want to pay for an expensive item that is falsely represented? This is not a dvd player that I can expect an exchange if the product is not all its hyped up to be. I truly understand that the internet is not a perfect place, neither is this business, but if someone is asking 800 for an advertised face and body, I expect to see that body and face at my hotel door. Am I asking too much of a so called high end agency to make good on their ad?Why would anyone ever call a high end agency then in the first place. If they posted no pictures and the ad said TRUST US! THE LADY WE SEND TO YOU WILL BE OF MODEL CALIBER. I bet this company will be out of business in 2 weeks.I want to try some "model material", but it seems like it will be a pot luck session.
Mr Skelly- I am discussing high end woman in this post and the lack of honesty when it comes to representing themselves. If they are not representing themselves properly, then that makes them unavailable.
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What else do I have to go on? An agency shows me a beautiful model and says 800 bucks an hour. I agree and then they send me anyone they please? That doesnt make sense to me as a purchaser. Why would I want to pay for an expensive item that is falsely represented? This is not a dvd player that I can expect an exchange if the product is not all its hyped up to be. I truly understand that the internet is not a perfect place, neither is this business, but if someone is asking 800 for an advertised face and body, I expect to see that body and face at my hotel door. Am I asking too much of a so called high end agency to make good on their ad?Why would anyone ever call a high end agency then in the first place. If they posted no pictures and the ad said TRUST US! THE LADY WE SEND TO YOU WILL BE OF MODEL CALIBER. I bet this company will be out of business in 2 weeks.I want to try some "model material", but it seems like it will be a pot luck session.
Mr Skelly- I am discussing high end woman in this post and the lack of honesty when it comes to representing themselves. If they are not representing themselves properly, then that makes them unavailable.
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You Answered Your Own Question
That's exactly the point. The internet has developed this market that won't buy unless they see a picture. Agencies that have websites with pictures probably do better, at least in that market, than similar agencies that don't have pictures. So, just as you said, the agencies feel like they have to have pictures to do business.
But that doesn't change the realities that ogami referred to. Part-timers who have other careers they're trying to develop might not want their pictures on an escort agency site. The type of girls who work for these agencies come and go, so the agency might not have the same women working for them week after week (and their availability on a daily basis is also sporadic). So the agencies really can't post accurate pictures -- but yet they have to post some pictures, or else the market will reject them.
What should they do? Maybe it would be best if, once you called, they tried to steer you away from the pictures toward what they have available. But then johns would cry "bait and switch" and reject them before giving them a chance. So instead they humor the johns and send over someone similar to the picture. I never could see complaining about this, as long as I liked who they sent over. I mean, it's not like I knew the woman in the picture personally, and had some reason I had to see her and only her.
But this is all why, in the end, I favor agencies like Le Directoire, which don't even play the pictures game. And they somehow seem to do an OK business without it. I'll bet there are lots more agencies like that, and we all don't even know about them.
Originally posted by BigMadM
If they posted no pictures and the ad said TRUST US! THE LADY WE SEND TO YOU WILL BE OF MODEL CALIBER. I bet this company will be out of business in 2 weeks.
If they posted no pictures and the ad said TRUST US! THE LADY WE SEND TO YOU WILL BE OF MODEL CALIBER. I bet this company will be out of business in 2 weeks.
But that doesn't change the realities that ogami referred to. Part-timers who have other careers they're trying to develop might not want their pictures on an escort agency site. The type of girls who work for these agencies come and go, so the agency might not have the same women working for them week after week (and their availability on a daily basis is also sporadic). So the agencies really can't post accurate pictures -- but yet they have to post some pictures, or else the market will reject them.
What should they do? Maybe it would be best if, once you called, they tried to steer you away from the pictures toward what they have available. But then johns would cry "bait and switch" and reject them before giving them a chance. So instead they humor the johns and send over someone similar to the picture. I never could see complaining about this, as long as I liked who they sent over. I mean, it's not like I knew the woman in the picture personally, and had some reason I had to see her and only her.
But this is all why, in the end, I favor agencies like Le Directoire, which don't even play the pictures game. And they somehow seem to do an OK business without it. I'll bet there are lots more agencies like that, and we all don't even know about them.
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