Walking naked in the Garden of S.I.N.
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Reviews don't get taken off here for "saying too much".
They get taken off here for "shilling" -- providing free advertising -- for service providers who don't buy ads.
One good way to write the kind of "review" that gets removed as a "shill" (as opposed to being a genuine, real review) is to clear it with the review subject before posting it.
They get taken off here for "shilling" -- providing free advertising -- for service providers who don't buy ads.
One good way to write the kind of "review" that gets removed as a "shill" (as opposed to being a genuine, real review) is to clear it with the review subject before posting it.
Justlooking,
I recently put up a review of one of “the dish” girls and the post was deleted. I sent a message to Slinkybender so he could let me know what I did wrong. I think my review may have been too long and detailed. But, I honestly do not know. I hope that he will send me a message back so that I know what I did wrong and so that I can make sure not to do it again in the future.
The only reason that I was asking if I should clear it with the person that i was reviewing was because I thought that was the right thing to do. I only thought that it would be a common courtesy. I did not know if the other guys who post reviews were doing this, so this is why I asked.
As far as me “shilling”, I have no reason to do this. I do not have a vested interest in any of the girls. Shore, I enjoy the dance and the conversation, but that is it. If the girl were to make more money due to one of my reviews, do you think she is going to share it with me? No way. The only thing that I can possibly see happening is that I would have to wait longer if I went to see the girl on a particular day/night. This doesn’t seem like a benefit to me.
Seven had told me that Utopia Guide had many reviews on the girls at “the dish”. This is one of the main reasons that I had decided to join. My thinking was that I would rather read a review of one of the girls before going to see them, so at least I would know what to expect. This webpage has more discussions then reviews. All I wanted to do was start writing some reviews in hope that others would follow. I’m starting to sound like a broken record, but I’ll say it again “I am the new kid on the block and I have a lot to learn about Utopia Guide”. All I was doing was asking a question. It was my understanding that you could ask questions on this board. I did not think that LIWhoremaster would “beat me up” that way he did. Instead of ripping me apart, I wish that some would take the initiative and answer the questions that I have asked. I only want to do the right thing. I was hoping that someone could explain that to me. I guess, I’ll just have to wait and see.
Please do not take my message as being offensive in any way. This is not the purpose of my response. My purpose is to give you an understanding to why I had asked the above questions.
I recently put up a review of one of “the dish” girls and the post was deleted. I sent a message to Slinkybender so he could let me know what I did wrong. I think my review may have been too long and detailed. But, I honestly do not know. I hope that he will send me a message back so that I know what I did wrong and so that I can make sure not to do it again in the future.
The only reason that I was asking if I should clear it with the person that i was reviewing was because I thought that was the right thing to do. I only thought that it would be a common courtesy. I did not know if the other guys who post reviews were doing this, so this is why I asked.
As far as me “shilling”, I have no reason to do this. I do not have a vested interest in any of the girls. Shore, I enjoy the dance and the conversation, but that is it. If the girl were to make more money due to one of my reviews, do you think she is going to share it with me? No way. The only thing that I can possibly see happening is that I would have to wait longer if I went to see the girl on a particular day/night. This doesn’t seem like a benefit to me.
Seven had told me that Utopia Guide had many reviews on the girls at “the dish”. This is one of the main reasons that I had decided to join. My thinking was that I would rather read a review of one of the girls before going to see them, so at least I would know what to expect. This webpage has more discussions then reviews. All I wanted to do was start writing some reviews in hope that others would follow. I’m starting to sound like a broken record, but I’ll say it again “I am the new kid on the block and I have a lot to learn about Utopia Guide”. All I was doing was asking a question. It was my understanding that you could ask questions on this board. I did not think that LIWhoremaster would “beat me up” that way he did. Instead of ripping me apart, I wish that some would take the initiative and answer the questions that I have asked. I only want to do the right thing. I was hoping that someone could explain that to me. I guess, I’ll just have to wait and see.
Please do not take my message as being offensive in any way. This is not the purpose of my response. My purpose is to give you an understanding to why I had asked the above questions.
Sorry. I hope you haven't taken my posts on this subject to you as being offensive in any way, either. (Although it's easy to see how you could have.)
I have to say this (which is not meant to be argumentative, just in the interest of discussion):
I think one reason that the previous Dish review threads degenerated into such an unfortunate mess is that it's kind of impossible to have reliable consumer reviews in a situation where (a) the customers feel friendly with the service providers and (b) the service providers can read the reviews. Once the Dish girls found out about this site, something like what happened in those previous threads was bound to happen.
One other thought. Say there was a girl at the Dish who you really liked. But there are some "downsides" about her which, although they don't bother you, you know might bother other people (like maybe she has some cottage cheese in her thighs or ass, or she's considerably older than the norm, or she went to law school). Would you have the balls to put that in a review that you were going to give her to read before posting it? I don't think I would. Indeed, I'd never be able to say any of those things if I thought she'd ever be able to read the review.
But, if you left them out, don't you think you'd be being unfair to people who read your review and might care about one or more of those considerations even though you don't?
I have to say this (which is not meant to be argumentative, just in the interest of discussion):
I think one reason that the previous Dish review threads degenerated into such an unfortunate mess is that it's kind of impossible to have reliable consumer reviews in a situation where (a) the customers feel friendly with the service providers and (b) the service providers can read the reviews. Once the Dish girls found out about this site, something like what happened in those previous threads was bound to happen.
One other thought. Say there was a girl at the Dish who you really liked. But there are some "downsides" about her which, although they don't bother you, you know might bother other people (like maybe she has some cottage cheese in her thighs or ass, or she's considerably older than the norm, or she went to law school). Would you have the balls to put that in a review that you were going to give her to read before posting it? I don't think I would. Indeed, I'd never be able to say any of those things if I thought she'd ever be able to read the review.
But, if you left them out, don't you think you'd be being unfair to people who read your review and might care about one or more of those considerations even though you don't?
Also, re "shilling".
"Shilling" has sort of become a term of art on whoreboards.
It doesn't just apply to cases where the guy posting the review has an undisclosed financial interest in the review subject. It might even be more common for the "shiller" to be trying to help out someone he views as a friend, or to hope to get extra mileage in return for the favorable publicity he's generating.
But it always results in the same "evil": incomplete or unreliable consumer information on the board.
"Shilling" has sort of become a term of art on whoreboards.
It doesn't just apply to cases where the guy posting the review has an undisclosed financial interest in the review subject. It might even be more common for the "shiller" to be trying to help out someone he views as a friend, or to hope to get extra mileage in return for the favorable publicity he's generating.
But it always results in the same "evil": incomplete or unreliable consumer information on the board.
Exactly. The dish reviews are almost always super positive. Real reviews about anything in the world, even great ones, generally include a couple negative details. That's what makes a review a review and not an advertisement.
Question: Aren't there girls at the dish who would prefer not to be mentioned here for fear that one of their customers who they don't offer a lot of extras to for whatever reason might discover that they're doing more for certain other favorite customers? It seems to me that that might piss a lot of people off and subsequently lose the girl bussiness.
Question: Aren't there girls at the dish who would prefer not to be mentioned here for fear that one of their customers who they don't offer a lot of extras to for whatever reason might discover that they're doing more for certain other favorite customers? It seems to me that that might piss a lot of people off and subsequently lose the girl bussiness.
Nobody is ripping you apart. But if you are going to review, don't ask the girl, just do it. Look at Genius. He tells it like it is. The girls don't know who he is so he can say whatever he wants. Justlookings advice about six posts down tells it all. If you are freinds with these girls and you intend to run your reviews by them before submitting them then yuo are doing unsuspecting members a disservice. The thing that let to the old thread which had many good reviews, getting killed was this guy Anthony who was trying to sell this girl Loren as the sexiest thing. He had become freinds with her and wrote gushing reviews about her as a favor to her, and perhaps to secure extra services. When other saw her they were dissapointed.
1. This is one reason why I personally would feel uncomfortable about reviewing strippers. Because to me, it's understood (or maybe I should say "hoped") with at least many of them that mileage varies.
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2. If a girl works in a place that's frequently reviewed, it's kinda her tough luck if she doesn't want to be. I think a lot of reviewers quite justifiably don't feel any reason to honor any service provider's wishes not to be reviewed (because quite frankly such wishes are often suspect -- it's just as likely, for example, that she doesn't want her provision of certain services to be disclosed in a review because she wants to keep their prices artificially high by fooling each customer into believing she does them "only" for him when in fact she does them for everybody). The transparency that the internet review scene has created is not without its downsides -- ESPECIALLY for service providers.
BUT
2. If a girl works in a place that's frequently reviewed, it's kinda her tough luck if she doesn't want to be. I think a lot of reviewers quite justifiably don't feel any reason to honor any service provider's wishes not to be reviewed (because quite frankly such wishes are often suspect -- it's just as likely, for example, that she doesn't want her provision of certain services to be disclosed in a review because she wants to keep their prices artificially high by fooling each customer into believing she does them "only" for him when in fact she does them for everybody). The transparency that the internet review scene has created is not without its downsides -- ESPECIALLY for service providers.
Justlooking,
I have not found any of your messages to be offensive. I will admit that they have surprised me, but that is about it.
As far as the previous “dish” threads getting deleted I am not fully aware of what happened. I have been on UtopiaGuide for about a week and a half now. What happened before I arrived I am not aware of. Seven has tried to fill me in, but I have had questions for her that she couldn’t even answer. Why did the previous “dish” thread get deleted? Did some of the “dish” girls come onto the webpage and complain about bad reviews? Inform me. It will only help me to get a better understanding of what you are talking about.
I like the part about the girls’ downside being going to law school. That gave me a good laugh..
I can see what you are saying about showing the girl the review before posting it. This may cause me to leave out certain things that may hurt her feelings. That makes perfect sense. I am glad that you took the time to explain that to me. I just wasn’t shore how other reviewers were handling it. I just assumed that they ran the review by the subject. I just had a question and now you cleared that up for me. When I review a girl I will not even mention that I am reviewing her. Heck, if I do write something that was on the negative side about the dancer I would not want her to “ball” me out the next time that she saw me.
In response to your explanation about “shilling”. I do find many of the girls at “the dish” to be really cool, but I also understand that this is a business relationship. The only girl at “the dish” that I would say that I know on a personal basis is Seven. This is why I would never consider reviewing her. Heck, I’ll be the 1st one to say that she gives one of the best shows, but that is as far as I would go. As far as the other girls go, I don’t know them as well as I do her. I have had many conversations with them, but that is it. I am a realist and I understand when you exchange money for sexual favors this is a business transaction. The girls that I see regularly always give me a good show. I don’t need to try and get extra mileage from them. Honestly, it would be in my best interest not to review any of them because all it will do for me is increase my wait time when they are working.
Can you shed some light on why you don’t post reviews?
Thank you for taking the time to explain the above mentioned items…
Danielle,
You did not see my review. Or did you? It was deleted from the board. How can you say that I was trying to advertise and not give a fair review? I felt that my review was more than fair. What do you mean by your question? This was probably covered in another thread, but I have not read it to date.
LiWhoreMaster,
You have calmed down a lot. Your last message to me I did find to be offensive. Thank you for understanding that I am only attempting to gain knowledge about the UtopiaGuide World. I will say once again that I don’t consider these girls to be friends, but more like business associates. I can now understand why you guys feel that the posts should not be shown to the girl prior to posting. That makes a lot of sense and I will use that advice. The old “dish” thread was killed because some guy wrote about one of the girls being hot and everyone disagreed? Why would that kill a thread? I guess that was this guy’s opinion. I may think one of the girls is hot and you may not. If we disagreed, then a thread would get killed? I don’t mean to sound ignorant, but people will have different opinions. A wise man once said, “Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.” I though that the main purpose of this board was to share our opinions. I happen to like girls with brown hair and brown eyes and you may happen to like blondes with blue eyes; our preferences alone will make us have different opinions. I only wish that I was around when all the drama was going around in the threads. If I saw it first hand, I think I would have a better understanding of it.
SexyWhore,
Why do you think they would not want to review you?
I have not found any of your messages to be offensive. I will admit that they have surprised me, but that is about it.
As far as the previous “dish” threads getting deleted I am not fully aware of what happened. I have been on UtopiaGuide for about a week and a half now. What happened before I arrived I am not aware of. Seven has tried to fill me in, but I have had questions for her that she couldn’t even answer. Why did the previous “dish” thread get deleted? Did some of the “dish” girls come onto the webpage and complain about bad reviews? Inform me. It will only help me to get a better understanding of what you are talking about.
I like the part about the girls’ downside being going to law school. That gave me a good laugh..
I can see what you are saying about showing the girl the review before posting it. This may cause me to leave out certain things that may hurt her feelings. That makes perfect sense. I am glad that you took the time to explain that to me. I just wasn’t shore how other reviewers were handling it. I just assumed that they ran the review by the subject. I just had a question and now you cleared that up for me. When I review a girl I will not even mention that I am reviewing her. Heck, if I do write something that was on the negative side about the dancer I would not want her to “ball” me out the next time that she saw me.In response to your explanation about “shilling”. I do find many of the girls at “the dish” to be really cool, but I also understand that this is a business relationship. The only girl at “the dish” that I would say that I know on a personal basis is Seven. This is why I would never consider reviewing her. Heck, I’ll be the 1st one to say that she gives one of the best shows, but that is as far as I would go. As far as the other girls go, I don’t know them as well as I do her. I have had many conversations with them, but that is it. I am a realist and I understand when you exchange money for sexual favors this is a business transaction. The girls that I see regularly always give me a good show. I don’t need to try and get extra mileage from them. Honestly, it would be in my best interest not to review any of them because all it will do for me is increase my wait time when they are working.
Can you shed some light on why you don’t post reviews?
Thank you for taking the time to explain the above mentioned items…
Danielle,
You did not see my review. Or did you? It was deleted from the board. How can you say that I was trying to advertise and not give a fair review? I felt that my review was more than fair. What do you mean by your question? This was probably covered in another thread, but I have not read it to date.
LiWhoreMaster,
You have calmed down a lot. Your last message to me I did find to be offensive. Thank you for understanding that I am only attempting to gain knowledge about the UtopiaGuide World. I will say once again that I don’t consider these girls to be friends, but more like business associates. I can now understand why you guys feel that the posts should not be shown to the girl prior to posting. That makes a lot of sense and I will use that advice. The old “dish” thread was killed because some guy wrote about one of the girls being hot and everyone disagreed? Why would that kill a thread? I guess that was this guy’s opinion. I may think one of the girls is hot and you may not. If we disagreed, then a thread would get killed? I don’t mean to sound ignorant, but people will have different opinions. A wise man once said, “Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.” I though that the main purpose of this board was to share our opinions. I happen to like girls with brown hair and brown eyes and you may happen to like blondes with blue eyes; our preferences alone will make us have different opinions. I only wish that I was around when all the drama was going around in the threads. If I saw it first hand, I think I would have a better understanding of it.
SexyWhore,
Why do you think they would not want to review you?
So after picking my brain for the entire day and night I finally have found out why my post was deleted. I was serioulsy starting to think that Slinkybender thought that I was shilling, but that is not the case. I was reading through the rules and the "newbie sections" and I realized that to start a thread in the "Strippers and Pornstars" board I need to have a minimum of 50 posts. I have a lot less than that. I originaly posted my message on the "General Board" as this was the only board that allowed me to start a new thread. I then ******ed Slinky to see if the post could be moved to the "Strippers and Pornstars" board, and this is when the post was deleted. I feel a lot better. I'd like to apoligize to Slinkybender for my error and for bothering you with my ******s.
Time to drink some more coffee and get back to studying...
Time to drink some more coffee and get back to studying...
Originally posted by lawyer101
So after picking my brain for the entire day and night I finally have found out why my post was deleted. I was serioulsy starting to think that Slinkybender thought that I was shilling, but that is not the case. I was reading through the rules and the "newbie sections" and I realized that to start a thread in the "Strippers and Pornstars" board I need to have a minimum of 50 posts. I have a lot less than that. I originaly posted my message on the "General Board" as this was the only board that allowed me to start a new thread. I then ******ed Slinky to see if the post could be moved to the "Strippers and Pornstars" board, and this is when the post was deleted. I feel a lot better. I'd like to apoligize to Slinkybender for my error and for bothering you with my ******s.
Time to drink some more coffee and get back to studying...
So after picking my brain for the entire day and night I finally have found out why my post was deleted. I was serioulsy starting to think that Slinkybender thought that I was shilling, but that is not the case. I was reading through the rules and the "newbie sections" and I realized that to start a thread in the "Strippers and Pornstars" board I need to have a minimum of 50 posts. I have a lot less than that. I originaly posted my message on the "General Board" as this was the only board that allowed me to start a new thread. I then ******ed Slinky to see if the post could be moved to the "Strippers and Pornstars" board, and this is when the post was deleted. I feel a lot better. I'd like to apoligize to Slinkybender for my error and for bothering you with my ******s.
Time to drink some more coffee and get back to studying...
jl
I think most experienced PMB readers know how to distinguish a John Simon review from one from Peter Travers.
You Asked For It
1. I don't post reviews because for the most part I don't want people to be able to connect my internet whoreboard identity to my real self. But since I would never write a review that wasn't very detailed, anyone I'd review would be able to tell from reading it who wrote it. I don't wan't that. So I wouldn't post a review anywhere where they might be able to read it.*
2. Also, I know I'd never be able to bring myself to write a completely honest, objective review if I thought there was a chance the review subject could ever see it (especially if she was someone I intended to keep seeing). And I wouldn't waste time (mine and the readers') writing something that was significantly self-censored.
3. Most of my commercial sex now is either with UTR or PS girls** or with strippers (mainly the latter, if you care). I don't think UTR or PS girls should be reviewed in public because they don't advertise, so I don't think they've implicitly consented to being publicized as participants in illegal activities. The same goes for strippers (I'm talking about "normal" strip clubs, not places like the Dish), who ostensibly don't provide "real" sexual services (even if in fact they might, at least to some favored customers). So I think it would be wrong to review them as such.
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* You won't believe this, but the interent PMB ("Prostitution Message Board") community can be a really nasty place. There have been all sorts of instances of prostitutes retaliating against johns who posted unfavorable reviews, or johns mounting personal real-world attacks against other johns who they were jealous of or for some reason disliked. It pays to be careful.
** UTR = "Under the Radar". That refers to women who work as prostitutes, often just part-time, but don't advertise, relying instead on word of mouth, referals, and chance meetings.
PS = "Private Stock". That refers to women who aren't professional prostitutes but who cut deals with one or a few men they meet in various ways to provide sexual access in return for compensation.
1. I don't post reviews because for the most part I don't want people to be able to connect my internet whoreboard identity to my real self. But since I would never write a review that wasn't very detailed, anyone I'd review would be able to tell from reading it who wrote it. I don't wan't that. So I wouldn't post a review anywhere where they might be able to read it.*
2. Also, I know I'd never be able to bring myself to write a completely honest, objective review if I thought there was a chance the review subject could ever see it (especially if she was someone I intended to keep seeing). And I wouldn't waste time (mine and the readers') writing something that was significantly self-censored.
3. Most of my commercial sex now is either with UTR or PS girls** or with strippers (mainly the latter, if you care). I don't think UTR or PS girls should be reviewed in public because they don't advertise, so I don't think they've implicitly consented to being publicized as participants in illegal activities. The same goes for strippers (I'm talking about "normal" strip clubs, not places like the Dish), who ostensibly don't provide "real" sexual services (even if in fact they might, at least to some favored customers). So I think it would be wrong to review them as such.
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* You won't believe this, but the interent PMB ("Prostitution Message Board") community can be a really nasty place. There have been all sorts of instances of prostitutes retaliating against johns who posted unfavorable reviews, or johns mounting personal real-world attacks against other johns who they were jealous of or for some reason disliked. It pays to be careful.
** UTR = "Under the Radar". That refers to women who work as prostitutes, often just part-time, but don't advertise, relying instead on word of mouth, referals, and chance meetings.
PS = "Private Stock". That refers to women who aren't professional prostitutes but who cut deals with one or a few men they meet in various ways to provide sexual access in return for compensation.
Lawyer101-
Even if you were trying to write a "fair" review, when you leave out certain key details because you know the reviewee might see it at some point, then it comes off more as free advertising than a true unbiased critique.
In my opinion, the only way to write a real, unbiased review on this board or any other for that matter is to do it in total anonymity or with a complete disregard for whether or not the review might offend the review subject. Because you've gotten to know the girls at the dish and some of them are aware of you're internet personality it might be difficult for you to completely disclose everything you really think about them. This is not to say that you necessarily have any negative commentary to make, but if you did you would think twice about posting it here, wouldn't you?
Even if you were trying to write a "fair" review, when you leave out certain key details because you know the reviewee might see it at some point, then it comes off more as free advertising than a true unbiased critique.
In my opinion, the only way to write a real, unbiased review on this board or any other for that matter is to do it in total anonymity or with a complete disregard for whether or not the review might offend the review subject. Because you've gotten to know the girls at the dish and some of them are aware of you're internet personality it might be difficult for you to completely disclose everything you really think about them. This is not to say that you necessarily have any negative commentary to make, but if you did you would think twice about posting it here, wouldn't you?
Justlooking,
I would like to thank you for all the information that you have given me. Your wisdom has helped me to get a better understanding of the Utopia Guide World.
Thanks for explaining what PS and UTR girls are because I had no idea..
How do you meet these girls since they don’t advertise? You mentioned word of mouth, but from whom? Is this knowledge that you gain for reading UtopiaGuide or is this information that you get on your own off the board?
What is your secret with strippers? Are you “hooking up” with girls from main stream clubs or from small “dive” strip clubs? My assumption would be that it would be easier to get an outside meeting from a girl from a smaller strip club then from a mainstream club, but I guess if you are willing to spend the money anything is possible.
I would like to thank you for all the information that you have given me. Your wisdom has helped me to get a better understanding of the Utopia Guide World.
Thanks for explaining what PS and UTR girls are because I had no idea..
How do you meet these girls since they don’t advertise? You mentioned word of mouth, but from whom? Is this knowledge that you gain for reading UtopiaGuide or is this information that you get on your own off the board?
What is your secret with strippers? Are you “hooking up” with girls from main stream clubs or from small “dive” strip clubs? My assumption would be that it would be easier to get an outside meeting from a girl from a smaller strip club then from a mainstream club, but I guess if you are willing to spend the money anything is possible.
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