Viagra, Cialis???
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Yes, Genius, you are correct and I appreciate the humor.
But I give that proviso about epimedium leaf (yin yang huo, horny goat weed) because even the ancients knew that it and others herbs must be carefully monitored because the hormonal influence could be extremely intense.
Ideally an herbalist is trained in pulse diagnosis and determines how much to use and moderates it with other circulatory herbs that will temper its extreme nature and allow the prostate to remain soft and pliable and not allow the fluid to remain stagnant in the lower sexual organs.
Traditional Chinese Medicine seldom uses a single herb to treat. Instead, it is a harmonious medley, a blend of herbs in a specific quantity for a specific patient to create balance within their system. A strong sex life is great. But a sexual appetite that is imbalanced is likely to lead to problems.
But, sexual strengthening common foods are far safer and not likely to lead to problems, especially when from the vegetable kingdom.
I have no experience with respect to V, C or L. But, the little that I do know, they relax the blood vessels to allow blood flow to the penis. So, it is more based on blood circulation. Many herbs can work that way also. So, for some, V, C and L are possibly safer for the prostate, in that they do not create a huge spike in hormonal production.
There are other Chinese herbs that I did not mention just because the sexual spike is actually FRIGHTENING, and misuse could cause discomfort.
But I give that proviso about epimedium leaf (yin yang huo, horny goat weed) because even the ancients knew that it and others herbs must be carefully monitored because the hormonal influence could be extremely intense.
Ideally an herbalist is trained in pulse diagnosis and determines how much to use and moderates it with other circulatory herbs that will temper its extreme nature and allow the prostate to remain soft and pliable and not allow the fluid to remain stagnant in the lower sexual organs.
Traditional Chinese Medicine seldom uses a single herb to treat. Instead, it is a harmonious medley, a blend of herbs in a specific quantity for a specific patient to create balance within their system. A strong sex life is great. But a sexual appetite that is imbalanced is likely to lead to problems.
But, sexual strengthening common foods are far safer and not likely to lead to problems, especially when from the vegetable kingdom.
I have no experience with respect to V, C or L. But, the little that I do know, they relax the blood vessels to allow blood flow to the penis. So, it is more based on blood circulation. Many herbs can work that way also. So, for some, V, C and L are possibly safer for the prostate, in that they do not create a huge spike in hormonal production.
There are other Chinese herbs that I did not mention just because the sexual spike is actually FRIGHTENING, and misuse could cause discomfort.
With insurance it's all about the copay and that is all about your plan and whether or not generic is avail. Check your plan - should be easy to look the drug up and what copay tier it is on.
I was absolutely shocked when I was not in Medicare and my insurance paid like $800 and my copay was $50 for V, a.k.a. sildenafil as it was top tier copay, whereas the generic V (sildenafil) was $30 total out of my pocket for same amount. So it was cheaper to pay not using insurance (both for ins co and me). Plus since I use Stop&Shop Rx only for my sildenafil and pay cash, there is no record in both my insurance records and the drug summary I get from CVS for both me and my SO.
I don't use Cialis (I also don't know if there is a generic as I don't care). My thinking is I don't want any drug in my system for 3 days (Cialis) if I only need it for a couple of hours (sildenafil - 4 hrs). However if you have an all-nighter or all- weekender with someone you may want the Cialis. My all-nighters are long gone ( sigh
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I was absolutely shocked when I was not in Medicare and my insurance paid like $800 and my copay was $50 for V, a.k.a. sildenafil as it was top tier copay, whereas the generic V (sildenafil) was $30 total out of my pocket for same amount. So it was cheaper to pay not using insurance (both for ins co and me). Plus since I use Stop&Shop Rx only for my sildenafil and pay cash, there is no record in both my insurance records and the drug summary I get from CVS for both me and my SO.
I don't use Cialis (I also don't know if there is a generic as I don't care). My thinking is I don't want any drug in my system for 3 days (Cialis) if I only need it for a couple of hours (sildenafil - 4 hrs). However if you have an all-nighter or all- weekender with someone you may want the Cialis. My all-nighters are long gone ( sigh
)I understand your point. Possibly as a stimulant drugs and alcohol let go of inhibitions when used in moderation. Used in excess, many people find their sex drive waning as the body becomes inordinately relaxed to the point of being unable to focus on an erection. Drugs tend to take the energy centered in your genitals and redistribute a sense of euphoria and relaxation throughout the body and mind. Intercourse is a very powerful focused act.
Cnidium (She Chuang Zi, Cnidium Monnieri) is very potent. Increases energy, good for bones (no pun intended) as in osteoporosis, bacterial infections and asthma. (opens lungs quite nicely) However, not good for prostate as it increases sexual fluids in an extreme way. Very, very, very cheap. Probably not a good idea to buy an extract. Possibly too potent.
Any Chinese herbal store selling raw dried herbs in bulk will have it. They are little peppery seeds with a spicy bite and not an unpleasant taste but invigorating. (possibly used in the culinary arena) A teaspoon or even a half teaspoon or even less can be chewed well or boiling water poured over the seeds and sipped as a tea and finally eat the remains instead of discarding them. Or, in a pinch just chew the raw dried seeds and follow up with some water. Probably a big old bag weighing a pound or so will cost between 5 and 10 bucks and will probably last for 2 years.
I notice the full effects the next day but many use it and are roaring and wild within 2 hours.
Proviso: I am not a doctor offering medical advice. I am just a hack sharing my experience with this herb. Again, if you are waking up more than once a night and experience BPH (benign prostate hyperplasia) this might be an herb that you experiment with in small quantities or not use. This herb will help produce large amounts of semen and prostatic fluids that will fill the seminal vesicles and beg for release.
However, I am not a purist but I don't use gas station and bodega and other fast outlet prepackaged mega sex pills nor do I use Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and the like. So for me, this is a HUGE hit that I use carefully and with respect and caution because my health and peace of mind is more important than impressing a woman at this stage in my career. But compared to the wild formulas out there, this might not be as wild and FRIGHTENING as I claim, for you, but for me, I handle with care.
(Recently, I took a small dose over a few days and half-crazed ran to the red-light district by the park in a foreign land and literally grabbed something really nice and petite by the arm with fire in my eyes, breathing heavy, groped her in the stairway, got her in the room and really became savage. Savage but not rough --- she loved it. She was a flirty Betty Boop)
All those warnings being given might be just my fear of causing another discomfort which I would never do. So, that being said, throughout history this herb has been used without risk and is a staple in Chinese Medicine for thousands of years and is a natural seed not broken down into chemical subparts and pressed into a more potent pill. So, I pass on this information with the confidence of its history being the source of good usage. Also, it has not been banned as a dangerous substance by any US authorities or any authorities for that matter as some herbs in the Chinese pharmacopeia are banned entry into this country or limited and sold only to qualified herbalists.
So, by all accounts this herb is safe. My extreme caution emanates from its reaction in my system which I still label as "FRIGHTENING." Hopefully for you guys it will merely be a powerful sexual, libido enhancing aid to do your thing.
Good luck gentlemen.
PS: The other "FRIGHTENING" natural substances possibly might be HORRIFYING" for you with respect to preparation and not at all practical and require conjunction with other herbs probably already discussed many times in this forum and possible animal matter, and the discussion would become more like a seminar (as if this one was not) so lets just end the answer to the query here.
Any Chinese herbal store selling raw dried herbs in bulk will have it. They are little peppery seeds with a spicy bite and not an unpleasant taste but invigorating. (possibly used in the culinary arena) A teaspoon or even a half teaspoon or even less can be chewed well or boiling water poured over the seeds and sipped as a tea and finally eat the remains instead of discarding them. Or, in a pinch just chew the raw dried seeds and follow up with some water. Probably a big old bag weighing a pound or so will cost between 5 and 10 bucks and will probably last for 2 years.
I notice the full effects the next day but many use it and are roaring and wild within 2 hours.
Proviso: I am not a doctor offering medical advice. I am just a hack sharing my experience with this herb. Again, if you are waking up more than once a night and experience BPH (benign prostate hyperplasia) this might be an herb that you experiment with in small quantities or not use. This herb will help produce large amounts of semen and prostatic fluids that will fill the seminal vesicles and beg for release.
However, I am not a purist but I don't use gas station and bodega and other fast outlet prepackaged mega sex pills nor do I use Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and the like. So for me, this is a HUGE hit that I use carefully and with respect and caution because my health and peace of mind is more important than impressing a woman at this stage in my career. But compared to the wild formulas out there, this might not be as wild and FRIGHTENING as I claim, for you, but for me, I handle with care.
(Recently, I took a small dose over a few days and half-crazed ran to the red-light district by the park in a foreign land and literally grabbed something really nice and petite by the arm with fire in my eyes, breathing heavy, groped her in the stairway, got her in the room and really became savage. Savage but not rough --- she loved it. She was a flirty Betty Boop)
All those warnings being given might be just my fear of causing another discomfort which I would never do. So, that being said, throughout history this herb has been used without risk and is a staple in Chinese Medicine for thousands of years and is a natural seed not broken down into chemical subparts and pressed into a more potent pill. So, I pass on this information with the confidence of its history being the source of good usage. Also, it has not been banned as a dangerous substance by any US authorities or any authorities for that matter as some herbs in the Chinese pharmacopeia are banned entry into this country or limited and sold only to qualified herbalists.
So, by all accounts this herb is safe. My extreme caution emanates from its reaction in my system which I still label as "FRIGHTENING." Hopefully for you guys it will merely be a powerful sexual, libido enhancing aid to do your thing.
Good luck gentlemen.
PS: The other "FRIGHTENING" natural substances possibly might be HORRIFYING" for you with respect to preparation and not at all practical and require conjunction with other herbs probably already discussed many times in this forum and possible animal matter, and the discussion would become more like a seminar (as if this one was not) so lets just end the answer to the query here.
@mugi I don't doubt anything you are saying about the power of these herbs.
My problem is how I would put this information to practical use.
Since about a year ago when I first asked about horny goat weed you have been talking about going to a good Chinese herbalist and getting the dry leaves, boiling them ect.
Well first off I wouldn't know where to find "a good Chinese Herbalist"
Then if I did, I would have no idea what he is selling me is really what I'm asking for. Since I have no idea what this stuff is supposed to look like, for all I know he is selling me the leaves from his back yard that fell off his tree.
How do I trust he is selling this white boy what I asked for and not playing a game?
Thoughts?
My problem is how I would put this information to practical use.
Since about a year ago when I first asked about horny goat weed you have been talking about going to a good Chinese herbalist and getting the dry leaves, boiling them ect.
Well first off I wouldn't know where to find "a good Chinese Herbalist"
Then if I did, I would have no idea what he is selling me is really what I'm asking for. Since I have no idea what this stuff is supposed to look like, for all I know he is selling me the leaves from his back yard that fell off his tree.
How do I trust he is selling this white boy what I asked for and not playing a game?
Thoughts?
Lmao!!
Exces slea ves from mah home. Make deeck like ax and cut tree. Gooood!
Excellent questions. Mugi obviously has an inside track (language, knows what the stuff looks like, reliable herbalist).
If the herbalist's address or contact be known ... he'd become a billionaire from UG clientele ...
Maybe HE takes an ad here, how about that? A provider of a different kind ...
V
Exces slea ves from mah home. Make deeck like ax and cut tree. Gooood!
Excellent questions. Mugi obviously has an inside track (language, knows what the stuff looks like, reliable herbalist).
If the herbalist's address or contact be known ... he'd become a billionaire from UG clientele ...
Maybe HE takes an ad here, how about that? A provider of a different kind ...
V
Sorry, guys, I would never make it more complicated than it really is. It just seems complicated because we are modern men and not farmers anymore. We are used to buying pre-packaged off-the-shelf products and trusting labels with ingredients. These are the origination materials of what ends up in a GNC store and the package will be given sensational art. Cnidium is a common plant, very cheap and grows in America and Europe as well as Asia. Used by early American settlers and the American Indians. But, sure there is probably some variability in cnidium, depending on the geographic location of origin. But I have never been disappointed by it.
Okay, history lesson over.
Where you can get it?
I am not being evasive nor elusive but I have been away from New York for a very long time. In Flushing there are so many herb stores in that hub where the ladies are. Being away for a while, I am not sure what stores remain open. I once counted like 7 or 8 in a short walking distance of each other when I had to go from store-to-store to find a missing herb in a formula that everybody was out of.
For example, a very honest herb store is at 37-11 Prince Street Flushing NY 11354. You can get any herb there in bulk at a very fair price. Most Chinese herb stores' main business is ginseng and that could be very expensive, depending on the quality and cultivation, BUT NOT THIS COMMON SEED OR SEED-FRUIT CALLED "CNIDIUM." It is a cheap old wild plant with a cluster of cheap seeds so for this plant don't worry about quality.
The store above (one of many) should be open and it is run by a very nice Asian lady with better English than mine. (so, that's not really a complement LOL) When she is off taking care of other matters, sometimes poor English speakers might be present. But, I have included the Chinese character below. Just show them that and they will surely serve you. And below is the link if you so choose to buy from a different online vendor. (one of many) Flushing should even be cheaper. But this one pound bag for between 5 and 10 bucks is enough probably at LEAST for two years.
The store above is unique because I believe on top of the good English speaking owner, she usually has on hand an herbal doctor. The store is also very popular for Lotto and cigarettes and other items to keep it going when the herbal business is slow.
You don't have to buy a big one pound bag, either, when buying in Flushing or in any Chinatown. They sell it by the ounce also. OR ONLY BUY A COUPLE OF OUNCES TO SEE IF YOU LIKE IT --- for a dollar or two.
You could also use a high-speed blender and make a powder for better assimilation into your body system. I am sure if you search the internet you will find pills and extracts of cnidium. I shy away from those (it doesn't mean you have to shy away from them) as they are not so natural anymore but probably work even stronger and faster and with more convenience and control.
Depends on you and your body type. And for other herbs and other conditions, I might try the pills. But, for me, this herb is very peculiar in that I find it so powerful, it needs no help. Granted, right now, my source is a good Asian country. But when you buy it on line or in Flushing, 90% chance it is coming from China. Some herbs taken in this simple manner would render them useless. For example boiled horny goat weed is quite powerful for me but needs other herbs to soften the blow but I have found raw horny goat weed powder to be useless.
It might take a few days for it to build a little momentum in your system. A teaspoon of the herb for me is really too much. But if you are extremely sexually active like some of you studs are, it might be fine and you can adjust according to your system.
You see, guys, this being a plant, its potency varies from farm-to-farm and plant-to-plant just like grapes for wine vary vastly in the quality of the wine. It is unlike a pharmaceutical or an herbal extract which is standardized. (this may sound like a contradiction from what I said before about comparing it to ginseng, but it is not, really, because ginseng and some other plants are highly-prized and very expensive and highly cultivated and cnidium is not.)
So, please be patient before you feel I misled you or sent you on a wild goose chase. I am telling you in all honesty my simple humble experience. I am not even suggesting you try it. Some of you are quite happy with your own "helpers." I am not a doctor giving advice nor even a professional herbalist, although I have spent a vast amount of time studying and can hold my own in discussions with herbalists.
Please read all prior warnings (prior posts) with respect to the prostate as --- of course -- it is a sexual stimulant and all your sexual organs will become engorged with your body's forced manufacture of semen and hormone-rich blood.
Out of courtesy and integrity, I must tell you all I know because if you choose to experiment it should be a safe and pleasurable experiment. So, in a bona-fide Chinese sexual formula, an herbalist would never give cnidium alone. It would be moderated by other herbs to sort of soften and smooth the impact. But, in low doses with careful observation -- a small amount on its own for a short time or taken with breaks to allow the system to cool down has caused me no harm and indeed, favorable results. And back off if too strong.
Because this is a general discussion and some of you guys might have other substances like V and C and L in your system or any of the other GNC products or bodega products or internet products, so we are not all on a level playing field. Therefore, we might have varying results.
Forgive me for the verboseness of this but the subject lends itself to it being long. You are all quite adept in the art of mongering and now you are on the road to become adept in the art of sexual herbal potencies.
Good Luck, Gentlemen.
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Okay, history lesson over.
Where you can get it?
I am not being evasive nor elusive but I have been away from New York for a very long time. In Flushing there are so many herb stores in that hub where the ladies are. Being away for a while, I am not sure what stores remain open. I once counted like 7 or 8 in a short walking distance of each other when I had to go from store-to-store to find a missing herb in a formula that everybody was out of.
For example, a very honest herb store is at 37-11 Prince Street Flushing NY 11354. You can get any herb there in bulk at a very fair price. Most Chinese herb stores' main business is ginseng and that could be very expensive, depending on the quality and cultivation, BUT NOT THIS COMMON SEED OR SEED-FRUIT CALLED "CNIDIUM." It is a cheap old wild plant with a cluster of cheap seeds so for this plant don't worry about quality.
The store above (one of many) should be open and it is run by a very nice Asian lady with better English than mine. (so, that's not really a complement LOL) When she is off taking care of other matters, sometimes poor English speakers might be present. But, I have included the Chinese character below. Just show them that and they will surely serve you. And below is the link if you so choose to buy from a different online vendor. (one of many) Flushing should even be cheaper. But this one pound bag for between 5 and 10 bucks is enough probably at LEAST for two years.
The store above is unique because I believe on top of the good English speaking owner, she usually has on hand an herbal doctor. The store is also very popular for Lotto and cigarettes and other items to keep it going when the herbal business is slow.
You don't have to buy a big one pound bag, either, when buying in Flushing or in any Chinatown. They sell it by the ounce also. OR ONLY BUY A COUPLE OF OUNCES TO SEE IF YOU LIKE IT --- for a dollar or two.
You could also use a high-speed blender and make a powder for better assimilation into your body system. I am sure if you search the internet you will find pills and extracts of cnidium. I shy away from those (it doesn't mean you have to shy away from them) as they are not so natural anymore but probably work even stronger and faster and with more convenience and control.
Depends on you and your body type. And for other herbs and other conditions, I might try the pills. But, for me, this herb is very peculiar in that I find it so powerful, it needs no help. Granted, right now, my source is a good Asian country. But when you buy it on line or in Flushing, 90% chance it is coming from China. Some herbs taken in this simple manner would render them useless. For example boiled horny goat weed is quite powerful for me but needs other herbs to soften the blow but I have found raw horny goat weed powder to be useless.
It might take a few days for it to build a little momentum in your system. A teaspoon of the herb for me is really too much. But if you are extremely sexually active like some of you studs are, it might be fine and you can adjust according to your system.
You see, guys, this being a plant, its potency varies from farm-to-farm and plant-to-plant just like grapes for wine vary vastly in the quality of the wine. It is unlike a pharmaceutical or an herbal extract which is standardized. (this may sound like a contradiction from what I said before about comparing it to ginseng, but it is not, really, because ginseng and some other plants are highly-prized and very expensive and highly cultivated and cnidium is not.)
So, please be patient before you feel I misled you or sent you on a wild goose chase. I am telling you in all honesty my simple humble experience. I am not even suggesting you try it. Some of you are quite happy with your own "helpers." I am not a doctor giving advice nor even a professional herbalist, although I have spent a vast amount of time studying and can hold my own in discussions with herbalists.
Please read all prior warnings (prior posts) with respect to the prostate as --- of course -- it is a sexual stimulant and all your sexual organs will become engorged with your body's forced manufacture of semen and hormone-rich blood.
Out of courtesy and integrity, I must tell you all I know because if you choose to experiment it should be a safe and pleasurable experiment. So, in a bona-fide Chinese sexual formula, an herbalist would never give cnidium alone. It would be moderated by other herbs to sort of soften and smooth the impact. But, in low doses with careful observation -- a small amount on its own for a short time or taken with breaks to allow the system to cool down has caused me no harm and indeed, favorable results. And back off if too strong.
Because this is a general discussion and some of you guys might have other substances like V and C and L in your system or any of the other GNC products or bodega products or internet products, so we are not all on a level playing field. Therefore, we might have varying results.
Forgive me for the verboseness of this but the subject lends itself to it being long. You are all quite adept in the art of mongering and now you are on the road to become adept in the art of sexual herbal potencies.
Good Luck, Gentlemen.
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(Cnidium Fruit, Fructus Cnidii, 蛇床子)
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