The death of any illusions about my sanity
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Re: Re: my dear ms lovelis
hey thanks, but it's too true. i hope ana wasn't scared off about by the body parts comment, i think she mentioned she has piles of bones in her apt. you know, hh, if jl is the most respected whoreboard poster in the tri-state area (hobbyist category), i think you should go for most respected in the provider category and btw there should be a swimsuit portion to the competition (you know in jl's case).
humbly pegged,
hvb
hey thanks, but it's too true. i hope ana wasn't scared off about by the body parts comment, i think she mentioned she has piles of bones in her apt. you know, hh, if jl is the most respected whoreboard poster in the tri-state area (hobbyist category), i think you should go for most respected in the provider category and btw there should be a swimsuit portion to the competition (you know in jl's case).
humbly pegged,
hvb
Your comment reminds me of a rather sureal experience I once had checking into a hotel late at night after being seriously overserved at a local bar. The deskclerk was mute and had to write things down. We ended up having a 20-minute conversation without making a sound -- just passing the pad back and forth.
Wwanderer:
In my mind, that was always one of CitV theory's primary purposes.
It honors the dignity of women by showing that they can't be bought or made to feel or think anything.
It also honors the dignity of women by recognizing how talented they are (some are more flexible and talented than others) at providing men with the different sorts of illusions they need to sexually function.
Women have been shining men on since the common male ancestor of all men walked the earth 60,000 years ago.
You only get to hear the truth from women who are free to challenge, disrespect, fight and need you.
That's not happening in commercial sex.
Which is but another articulation of why I think Frog's theory is a perfect crock of shit.
Best, etc.
JC
In my mind, that was always one of CitV theory's primary purposes.
It honors the dignity of women by showing that they can't be bought or made to feel or think anything.
It also honors the dignity of women by recognizing how talented they are (some are more flexible and talented than others) at providing men with the different sorts of illusions they need to sexually function.
Women have been shining men on since the common male ancestor of all men walked the earth 60,000 years ago.
You only get to hear the truth from women who are free to challenge, disrespect, fight and need you.
That's not happening in commercial sex.
Which is but another articulation of why I think Frog's theory is a perfect crock of shit.
Best, etc.
JC
Sorry to hear that the green-eyed booga-boo was a concern. Its not easy. Not easy by a long shot. And sometimes it hurts.
I do agree with J.C. regarding your seemingly [and I would think actual] well groundedness. I have always thought of you as having very little in the way of 'rose tinted specs'. Probably less then myself, even.
[Because, while I know what I know, it hasn't kept me from making a fool of myself despite the knowing.]
It is what it is, while it is.
I do agree with J.C. regarding your seemingly [and I would think actual] well groundedness. I have always thought of you as having very little in the way of 'rose tinted specs'. Probably less then myself, even.
[Because, while I know what I know, it hasn't kept me from making a fool of myself despite the knowing.]It is what it is, while it is.
My tale - related to the original post
The situation maybe more common than originally believed.
Almost two years ago I happened across a woman who was working as a dancer in a strip club. From my perspective she really didn't fit in. She didn't have that silicone enhanced, California hardbody that many strip afficionadoes enjoy. At the time she was trying to make end meets and was dabbling in extracurricular activities.
We met off campus a few times and it was passionately erotic. She was by no means a pro but we quickl;y achieved a bedroom compatability I had never experienced previously. I contributed fiscally to her well-being.
Over time our dates became more frequent (within reason) and we started seeing each other outside of our "dates." Sneak away lunches. Dinners. Shopping.
Over a year ago she gave up escorting (it was a bust for her anyways) - - and took on more conventional employment. But we continue to sneak off and play.
Is it a relationship. Sure. Is it meaningful. Probably not as we're noth married to other people and neither of us can afford to dump our spouses. But there is a certain personal fulfillment to a sneak away romance. A lover. Someone more than just a "pay as you go" fuck. Will it last. Unfortunately not.
Drew
The situation maybe more common than originally believed.
Almost two years ago I happened across a woman who was working as a dancer in a strip club. From my perspective she really didn't fit in. She didn't have that silicone enhanced, California hardbody that many strip afficionadoes enjoy. At the time she was trying to make end meets and was dabbling in extracurricular activities.
We met off campus a few times and it was passionately erotic. She was by no means a pro but we quickl;y achieved a bedroom compatability I had never experienced previously. I contributed fiscally to her well-being.
Over time our dates became more frequent (within reason) and we started seeing each other outside of our "dates." Sneak away lunches. Dinners. Shopping.
Over a year ago she gave up escorting (it was a bust for her anyways) - - and took on more conventional employment. But we continue to sneak off and play.
Is it a relationship. Sure. Is it meaningful. Probably not as we're noth married to other people and neither of us can afford to dump our spouses. But there is a certain personal fulfillment to a sneak away romance. A lover. Someone more than just a "pay as you go" fuck. Will it last. Unfortunately not.
Drew
While at the same time weakening them at the cost of other, more personal, resources. [Note to Providers: Don't get mad at that thought, the same is true for Clients as well.]
There is very little yin going on without yang.
Much like in the physical world, matter and energy are constant in their totality. They only change states.
So, very little is gained without some cost. Be it time, energy, emotional sacrific, or other resource.
Such is exactly why the nature of the client/provider symbiosis is what it is. The exchange, if allowed to be perfect, adds equal to the loss. Zero sum in totality, but what is given up is expendable and what is gained is needed.
The problem is, it is so very rarely allowed to be perfect.
There is very little yin going on without yang.
Much like in the physical world, matter and energy are constant in their totality. They only change states.
So, very little is gained without some cost. Be it time, energy, emotional sacrific, or other resource.
Such is exactly why the nature of the client/provider symbiosis is what it is. The exchange, if allowed to be perfect, adds equal to the loss. Zero sum in totality, but what is given up is expendable and what is gained is needed.
The problem is, it is so very rarely allowed to be perfect.
Re: My tale - related to the original post
Mr Park, I dont need another enemy. But I would like to address one thing here.(Im in a posting mood tonight)
Can you explain to me why you make a statement, she was by no means a pro, but.......
I have to tell you something, when they accept any form of compensation for sex, they are a pro.
If she only accepts small amounts of money, she is either an inexpensive pro, or a stupid one.
Once money is exchanged, she is a whore, and I dont care what anyone says, paid for sex is paid for sex.
ok...thats all I wanted to say.....
Mr Park, I dont need another enemy. But I would like to address one thing here.(Im in a posting mood tonight)
Can you explain to me why you make a statement, she was by no means a pro, but.......
I have to tell you something, when they accept any form of compensation for sex, they are a pro.
If she only accepts small amounts of money, she is either an inexpensive pro, or a stupid one.
Once money is exchanged, she is a whore, and I dont care what anyone says, paid for sex is paid for sex.
ok...thats all I wanted to say.....
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Re: first off, of course yr afraid of yr father, yr catholic, now
1. Yes faith and works. (accepting Jesus as my savior and therefore living by his teachings) are the paths to salvation, but God meets us halfway with love and forgiveness. Brilliant.
Buddhism is a religion (creation myth, primordial man, etc). They just do their best marketing when they ignore their Hinudist roots (and unerpinnings). Kind of like Protestants that deride ritual and mysticism that are such an important part of the history and development of Christianity (Judeo-Christianity, really... well you can even go back further than Judeo, but there's a character posting limit).
2. That's what I was trying to imply, but I was told it was impolite to call a woman, old.
3. Excpet I'm not a committmentphobe. If anything, my predisposition to codependence makes me a commitmmentphile.
4. I met her while she was a prostitute. She was an ex-prostitute when we had our relationship. The in between stuff is why I think CiTV is fundamentally flawed.
5. I'm sure. Every expression of individual identity is another step in alienation and isolation. And it's not just getting worse as we get older, it's getting worse as society does.
I miss her, but our relationship is what it is. I think it would be counterproductive to attempt to make more of this than it really is.
There is a fine line between... But that's the way I like to think about it.
1. Yes faith and works. (accepting Jesus as my savior and therefore living by his teachings) are the paths to salvation, but God meets us halfway with love and forgiveness. Brilliant.
Buddhism is a religion (creation myth, primordial man, etc). They just do their best marketing when they ignore their Hinudist roots (and unerpinnings). Kind of like Protestants that deride ritual and mysticism that are such an important part of the history and development of Christianity (Judeo-Christianity, really... well you can even go back further than Judeo, but there's a character posting limit).
2. That's what I was trying to imply, but I was told it was impolite to call a woman, old.
3. Excpet I'm not a committmentphobe. If anything, my predisposition to codependence makes me a commitmmentphile.
4. I met her while she was a prostitute. She was an ex-prostitute when we had our relationship. The in between stuff is why I think CiTV is fundamentally flawed.
5. I'm sure. Every expression of individual identity is another step in alienation and isolation. And it's not just getting worse as we get older, it's getting worse as society does.
I miss her, but our relationship is what it is. I think it would be counterproductive to attempt to make more of this than it really is.
There is a fine line between... But that's the way I like to think about it.
Re: first off, of course yr afraid of yr father, yr catholic, now
Vis-a-vie christianity you are technically incorrect.
Faith alone is redemptive. Works can be evidentiary of faith, but are not, in and of themselves, acts of faith.
Example: The sinner who, on his death bed, repents truly of his sins and asks that he be forgiven is redeemed. He offers no works as evidence of his faith. Simply his true penitent nature, his desire to seek grace, and his faith in God to provide redemption.
Example: The sinner who has no faith in God, but frequently acts in charity and performs works of good will. He offers much in the way of works, but has no belief in redemption or the grace of God. He is not redeemed and does not enter Heaven.
Conclusion: Faith alone is redemptive. Works have nothing to do with it other then being a possible outward sign of the presence of faith.
Now, Judism is a whole other ball of wax.
Vis-a-vie christianity you are technically incorrect.
Faith alone is redemptive. Works can be evidentiary of faith, but are not, in and of themselves, acts of faith.
Example: The sinner who, on his death bed, repents truly of his sins and asks that he be forgiven is redeemed. He offers no works as evidence of his faith. Simply his true penitent nature, his desire to seek grace, and his faith in God to provide redemption.
Example: The sinner who has no faith in God, but frequently acts in charity and performs works of good will. He offers much in the way of works, but has no belief in redemption or the grace of God. He is not redeemed and does not enter Heaven.
Conclusion: Faith alone is redemptive. Works have nothing to do with it other then being a possible outward sign of the presence of faith.
Now, Judism is a whole other ball of wax.
BTW
If you got an original copy,you can see Frog in the last row on the Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band album cover.
If you play All you need is love backwards, you'll hear Frog anticipating JC's CiTV and opining that because he wasn't hugged enough as a child he would be doomed to look for love in all the wrong places.
Love can come in vending machines....It's just more imperfect.
If you got an original copy,you can see Frog in the last row on the Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band album cover.
If you play All you need is love backwards, you'll hear Frog anticipating JC's CiTV and opining that because he wasn't hugged enough as a child he would be doomed to look for love in all the wrong places.
Love can come in vending machines....It's just more imperfect.
A big part of the reason that I think this relationship is so much more functional and healthy than my others is that I found your second paragraph to be very much the case. Whereas in other relationships, I almost felt as if things were draining energy from me, this one seemed to give energy back.
You obviously believe in love. Anyone who can read your posts and not see that clearly is an idiot.
You obviously believe in love. Anyone who can read your posts and not see that clearly is an idiot.