SOP for NYC LE john Strings

#22
Perhaps my question has been addressed before, but I usually do not read threads on topics of LE busts. I stick to UTRs that are limited in who they see. That is until my recent deviation from my hobby MO. The desire for new flesh that is not Asian had me contacting new and unknown providers of other ethnicity.

In a few instances I noticed something seemed off with the audio quality of the call, as if either a recording device was in use or perhaps the person on the other end of the line had the call on speaker. In either case I was spooked and did not proceed with an appointment. In most cases I refrained from partaking due to too much attitude on the phone for merely trying to get information on services offered.

One question is whether LE uses real working women as decoys? Also, why would a provider put a call from a John on speakerphone for anyone within proximity to hear her conversation? If she were driving in a car alone, I would understand, otherwise it is incomprehensible to me. As stated by another the SOP described in this thread is designed for SWs, does anyone know the SOP for hotel or incall setups. Inquiring minds want to know.

Perhaps I will just stick to my regular Asian mistresses- through the years they have treated me exceptionally well. The grass is not greener on the other side.

Regards,

Pops


To answer your question LE does not use real working girls in a sting. The reason being that whoever interacts with the John on the phone or in person may have to testify in court if the case goes to trial. Therefore they always use female police officers as decoys and they usually record the interaction. in a sting they want you to talk about services and price. If a girl refuses to discuss services or price over the phone it is a good indication that she is not a cop. Conversely the girls know that cops will always try to get them to specify their services over the phone before a bust. Therefore when a caller is asking about services they will get nervous and think you could be a cop. you can usually tell from the add what services are offered. When calling just say hey I saw you add and want to make an appointment. That's it go TOFTT and write a review.
 
#23
Slightly off topic... But kinda relative. There are ads daily on provider sites fir legalizing prostitution. Apparently 3 NY reps are actually behind it! One can only hope.
 
#24
The days where some LE guy wearing some large headset and a reel to reel tape recorder both connected to the telephone line with alligator clips are long gone. There is no reason today why the audio characteristics of a recorded line will be any different from that of a line that isn't being recorded. Also note that in the Bust the Johns stings a few years back, where Nassau LE bust 100 johns in an escort decoy, no recordings were made.

As far as speaker phone, I put mine iphone on speaker a lot when I am doing another task, sometimes as menial as making a cup of tea or coffee, while talking on the phone or perhaps I just do not want to be holding the phone up to my ear
Yes, I am sure with the sophistication of audio today and digital as opposed to magnetic tape, the spy game can go forward with no apparent clue to the directed target but still, that "spooky feeling" must be honored. Your "spidey sense" is really your bread-and-butter, not only in this game but in the entire game of Life. Your intuition sometimes can be hijacked by fear, but it still can't be ignored and you never want to walk into a building half-hearted or with trepidation. You are going to have a good time and you should go into the scene with full confidence or as confident as you can be whilst still performing as illegal act. That's why both johns and providers always appreciate a familiar face.

I once knew a provider that got raided by LE and she was a smart provider who knew the game all too well being busted before. But LE was cute and cunning enough to lure her into a warm comfortable feeling and the provider saw the good money and it looked all too routine and cozy just before through the back door came about 5 overly-aggressive LE's banging and shouting out official language and taking some of the gals away. I asked the provider how she fell for it. She told me that her "intuition" warned her and she was aware that she was making mistakes but it seemed good enough and she went along with the neatly choreographed routine "regular guy" superimposition and ignored her gut feeling. It can happen to anyone.

During WW2, there were far more plots and plans to assassinate Adolf Hitler than we will ever know about. They all failed because he never followed a strict routine but went by his own intuition and thusly averted many attempts on his life before committing suicide.

Without following your intuition, you are merely following a collection of data in memory and if that be the case, your reactions are predictable and robotic.

Always trust your intuition. It's sole purpose is your survival.
 
#25
..... female police officers as decoys and they usually record the interaction. .....
In the Operation Flush the Johns sting where over 100 suspects johns were arrested, the decoy testified to an incredulous judge that not only didn't they record any audio but she didn't even take notes on each bust. The judge, when he threw out the case of one of the few guys that fought it in court, said that if you are trying to send a guy to jail that you just can't rely on your (the decoys) memory.
 
#26
In the Operation Flush the Johns sting where over 100 suspects johns were arrested, the decoy testified to an incredulous judge that not only didn't they record any audio but she didn't even take notes on each bust. The judge, when he threw out the case of one of the few guys that fought it in court, said that if you are trying to send a guy to jail that you just can't rely on your (the decoys) memory.
Yes that was in Nassau county in NYC the decoys wear a wire and after that debacle they probably wear them in Nassau going forward.
 
#27
BTW thanks to those that answered my questions. Still wary of venturing out of my comfort zone- too many risk factors. Yet, I have met some gems in my hiatus from Asian mistresses, but none could satisfy the itch. I've been scarred for life by Asian quim. Warning to those wishing to venture down this rabbit hole. Yes- I think my wanderlust has come to an end and I will stick to my regulars.

Best regards,

Pops
 
#28
I took this thread with a grain of salt until today. When I walked into a Starbucks and saw two female cops in uniform with papers everywhere discussing a variety of cases/strategies. I guess LE now uses Starbucks as remote office space.
 
#30
Gee thanks for your vote of confidence.

Better atmosphere than Dunkin' I guess or maybe bigger tables to spread papers around.
I agree. A more uppity clientele that savors and sips rather than gulps a cup. Starbucks meticulously scrutinizes coffee beans from select countries of origin, growing, harvesting, roasting, preparation, fine Italian-made coffee brewing methods and of course their higher level staff attends "Starbucks' Barista Training." And the darker lighting demure, comfortable seating together with the super caffeine focus in this Hitler-like bunker strategy coffee room all assist our fearless men/women-in-blue in planning to "blitzkrieg" their next heavily fortified and extremely hostile fight-to-the finish Asian spa. The only downside is a much higher price and no pink frosted doughnuts and Dunkin Munchkins if you want just a light snack. But "'Do-nut worry;' be happy."
 
#31
I agree. A more uppity clientele that savors and sips rather than gulps a cup. Starbucks meticulously scrutinizes coffee beans from select countries of origin, growing, harvesting, roasting, preparation, fine Italian-made coffee brewing methods and of course their higher level staff attends "Starbucks' Barista Training." And the darker lighting demure, comfortable seating together with the super caffeine focus in this Hitler-like bunker strategy coffee room all assist our fearless men/women-in-blue in planning to "blitzkrieg" their next heavily fortified and extremely hostile fight-to-the finish Asian spa. The only downside is a much higher price and no pink frosted doughnuts and Dunkin Munchkins if you want just a light snack. But "'Do-nut worry;' be happy."
Yeah, it's a shame (for the cops) that Starbucks doesn't have the pink frosted doughnuts and Dunkin Munchkins - just think of the combination of the caffeine high combined with the sugar high — my god! — they would be even more unstoppable and fearless during their '"blitzkrieg" [of] their next heavily fortified and extremely hostile fight-to-the finish Asian spa'.
Ps. Given their salaries (plus whatever money they make from any, ahem, extra earnings) they have I don't think the downside of "a much higher price" is relevant
 
#32
Yeah, it's a shame (for the cops) that Starbucks doesn't have the pink frosted doughnuts and Dunkin Munchkins - just think of the combination of the caffeine high combined with the sugar high — my god! — they would be even more unstoppable and fearless during their '"blitzkrieg" [of] their next heavily fortified and extremely hostile fight-to-the finish Asian spa'.
Ps. Given their salaries (plus whatever money they make from any, ahem, extra earnings) they have I don't think the downside of "a much higher price" is relevant
Or, going one step further, forget the coffee houses completely. Coffee is great but is also a diuretic and when in "blitzkrieg" mode, you can't call for a "cease fire" to hit the john. (no pun intended) (and besides AMP bathrooms as we all know are usually notoriously filthy and the foot soldier could become disgusted, experience battle-fatigue and is unable to stand his ground) (or your brothers are left in a perilous battle to fend for themselves while an officer enjoys a long drawn out whiz or worse yet a more aged but battle-hardened foot soldier might have problems starting and stopping urination and the whole operation must be aborted.)

No, no, no, no. Rethink this. They are Chinese. "The Tao of War by Sun Tzu." And "You must know your enemy as yourself." Forget the coffee. Move the war room to a Chinese restaurant. Cordon off a section. Order everything on the menu --- a business expense. The MSG is the perfect caffeine replacement. Study the movements of the Chinese waitresses. Quite possible they have worked an AMP and could offer valuable advice on the raid. (leave a hefty tip)

And just to lend credence to this whole theory and sorry for changing cultural styles of attack so frequently, (German blitzkrieg, "The Art of War by Sun Tzu" and now the Japanese invasion of Pearl Harbor) Marshal Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, the mastermind behind Pearl Harbor, attended Harvard University, the great American Institution and knew the mindset of the American culture.
He knocked out the entire Pacific fleet in a matter of hours. Utilize the police auxiliary forces -- get everybody involved -- every able-bodied, gun-wielding, young and old -- hit every AMP at the same time. They won't know what's coming, the johns, the gals, the mamasans, round em up. Not enough police??? Utilize other public servants, postal employees, garbage men, even teachers.

And the next morning, when the sun rises, the chaos of the night before, well behind us, AMP's obliterated from our society, perpetrators behind bars awaiting sentencing, social order restored.
 
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