Review: Passion of the Christ
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Originally posted by jras
odddude -
LOTR was terrific, but its "book" hasn't spawned any Crusades, racist missionaries, anti-scientific babble, proclamations of infallability, threats to personal choices, hate-mongering or self-righteousness.
(I assumed most folks would recognize the lyrics from Lennon)
Ww-
heh
(do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too?)
odddude -
LOTR was terrific, but its "book" hasn't spawned any Crusades, racist missionaries, anti-scientific babble, proclamations of infallability, threats to personal choices, hate-mongering or self-righteousness.
(I assumed most folks would recognize the lyrics from Lennon)
Ww-
heh
(do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too?)
If people get out of this movie that JC makes an extremely arduous sacrafice because he loves the whole of humanity and so the brutality dipicted is only a reminder of the love that the Christian theology esposes than I suppose it was a good (as opposed to evil, not bad) movie.
It was an absolute bloodbath, though.
(Stunning since all the blood was shed by one man)
I wonder if the scenes of love and devotion (of Christ, his followers, and those who are touched by him) are sufficient to overcome that bloodbath in the mids of viewers.
It was an absolute bloodbath, though.
(Stunning since all the blood was shed by one man)
I wonder if the scenes of love and devotion (of Christ, his followers, and those who are touched by him) are sufficient to overcome that bloodbath in the mids of viewers.
Originally posted by h. von bingen
i mean jesus's life is as redemptive as his death.
i mean jesus's life is as redemptive as his death.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not die, but have everlasting life" - John 3:16
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I don't see how anyone can make the argument that this movie encourages anti-semitism. Remember that throughout the Old Testament, the prophets proclaimed Jesus' coming, that he would not be accepted by his people, that he would suffer and be crucified. It was God's plan that this would happen. You cannot blame the Jews for what God had planned to happen.
Besides, blaming the Jews collectively for Jesus' crucifixtion is like blaming a people collectively for the sins of their leaders. Saying that all Jews are to blame for Jesus' death is like saying that
1. It is ok to bomb the WTC because American citizens are guilty for the actions of our government.
2. It is ok to blame Muslims for the actions of a few terrorists.
3. It is ok to hold the Japanese accountable for their leaders' decision to bomb Pearl Harbor.
4. It is ok to hold all Germans responsible for the Holocaust.
Besides, blaming the Jews collectively for Jesus' crucifixtion is like blaming a people collectively for the sins of their leaders. Saying that all Jews are to blame for Jesus' death is like saying that
1. It is ok to bomb the WTC because American citizens are guilty for the actions of our government.
2. It is ok to blame Muslims for the actions of a few terrorists.
3. It is ok to hold the Japanese accountable for their leaders' decision to bomb Pearl Harbor.
4. It is ok to hold all Germans responsible for the Holocaust.
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Originally posted by oddfellow4870
Members of the cultural left are opposed to this film because of the fear of its effectiveness as a tool of revival.
Members of the cultural left are opposed to this film because of the fear of its effectiveness as a tool of revival.
The "cultural left" knows people will watch the film, be moved for a day or two, then go right back to being the same shit they were before.
Originally posted by Hawley Griffin
The direction and glaring lack of message bothered me.
I am not religous whatsoever, BUT, if youre going to show the sacrifice of Jesus in a movie you really should delve into what he made that sacrifice for.
The direction and glaring lack of message bothered me.
I am not religous whatsoever, BUT, if youre going to show the sacrifice of Jesus in a movie you really should delve into what he made that sacrifice for.
You miss my point.
My point is that a movie about the final 12 hours of Jesus has much less of an impact than a movie that leads up to it.
Even if he chooses to stay with the last moments, there are many cinematic devices to portray or signal the viewer to the message. Otherwise it gets lost in brutality.
My point is that a movie about the final 12 hours of Jesus has much less of an impact than a movie that leads up to it.
Even if he chooses to stay with the last moments, there are many cinematic devices to portray or signal the viewer to the message. Otherwise it gets lost in brutality.
Originally posted by justme
jseah - Yeah, all that makes logical sense but the historical evidence is that fundamentalist Christians get all anti-semitic whenever they get the crucification story.
(I personally believe that's because most Christians are not very Christian)
jseah - Yeah, all that makes logical sense but the historical evidence is that fundamentalist Christians get all anti-semitic whenever they get the crucification story.
(I personally believe that's because most Christians are not very Christian)
Sorry Justme. but I spent half of my life (15 - 30 ) with evangelical christians and I never ONCE saw anything close to anti-semitism. Unless you consider Jews for Jesus as an anti-semitic group (which some Jews do, I know), all the buzz was positive. In fact, Jews were a primary conversion target if anything. Often referred to as God's chosen people, etc etc etc ........
Originally posted by Hawley Griffin
My point is that a movie about the final 12 hours of Jesus has much less of an impact than a movie that leads up to it.
My point is that a movie about the final 12 hours of Jesus has much less of an impact than a movie that leads up to it.
I have to go with Oddfellow on this one. I think if any Christians are guilty of anti-semitism right now it's the liberal churches, not the evangelicals.
Last time I went on a road trip in the South (Ken, Tenn, NC) and I was amazed to see Israeli flags flying on churches in towns so small I knew bloody well that they had no Jews in them. But they were flown as an expression of solidarity. It was such a shock from what I am used to from 'liberal' Christians; which is basically that I am expected to renounce any support for Israel whatsoever in order not to be immediately treated as the enemy.
Sorry folks, I have family over there. I don't want to see them blown up. If that means building a wall, then build the damned wall. And ONLY the evangelicals have understood that. I think all Jews owe them a great deal of gratitude for support through an extremely difficult time.
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Last time I went on a road trip in the South (Ken, Tenn, NC) and I was amazed to see Israeli flags flying on churches in towns so small I knew bloody well that they had no Jews in them. But they were flown as an expression of solidarity. It was such a shock from what I am used to from 'liberal' Christians; which is basically that I am expected to renounce any support for Israel whatsoever in order not to be immediately treated as the enemy.
Sorry folks, I have family over there. I don't want to see them blown up. If that means building a wall, then build the damned wall. And ONLY the evangelicals have understood that. I think all Jews owe them a great deal of gratitude for support through an extremely difficult time.
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