Private VIP Party

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justlooking said:
See, the problem is, I've read guys claiming the same distribution for standard Underground events.
Hey, it's all a matter of opinion. One man's 10 is another man's 6. Nobody is "right" or "wrong".

It reminds me of years ago, i was working in an office. We had an informal poll among the men in the department : who would you rather fuck, Pamela Anderson or Kate Moss ? Almost every guy picked Pam. I picked Kate Moss, because Pam is not to my taste and Kate is (I can't stand fake tits or bleached blonde hair. That's probably why I don't go to most "mainstream" clubs). But in such a comparison . who is "right" ?
 
#22
jjhunsecker said:
Hey, it's all a matter of opinion. One man's 10 is another man's 6. Nobody is "right" or "wrong".
Hey, I agree with you 100%, jj (accent on the second "j" so I sound like Tony Curtis). That was the point I was trying to make. That just because one guy says this party had a lot of 8s doesn't differentiate it from the parties he's trying to differentiate it from. (Maybe a little description would help.)

jjhunsecker said:
It reminds me of years ago, i was working in an office. We had an informal poll among the men in the department : who would you rather fuck, Pamela Anderson or Kate Moss ? Almost every guy picked Pam. I picked Kate Moss, because Pam is not to my taste and Kate is (I can't stand fake tits or bleached blonde hair. That's probably why I don't go to most "mainstream" clubs). But in such a comparison . who is "right" ?
FWIW, our taste in women is exactly the same. (Which is why that's not a reason in itself to avoid mainstream clubs.)
 
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#23
A friend of mine gave me the info and I spoke to the woman who was organizing the event who was also one of the strippers. She told me that there would be about 25 girls. Lap dances were $30 and VIP was $200-300 depending on the girl. I asked if there were any extra costs and she said no.

It was held in the basement of an Italian Restaurant/catering hall in NJ. There was a full bar there and there was a buffet with rigatoni, lasagna, vegetables, chicken filets, roast beef, pork, and Paella.

There were about 15 girls dressed mostly in skimpy evening gowns. A couple of Russian girls, a couple of American White girls, one or two Latinas, and some more exotic mixes of Phillipino/Latina, and also a WOC or two. Overall, they were attractive girls who worked at clubs like Stilettos but some told me they worked in Bridgeport. I rated their looks to be on the level of mid to lower level of top drawer strip clubs in Manhattan and the mid to upper level of Jersey clubs.

After I paid my 100 dollar entrance fee I got my free drink and sat down. The girls came over and introduced themselves and asked if I wanted a dance or a VIP. It was then that I learned that most girls were asking $300 for a half hr and $500 for an hr in VIP and some wanted a hundred extra for a handjob and $200 extra for a blow job. Some of them said they didn't offer straight sex.

A tall and thin blond Russian girl came and sat with me. She was sexy, witty, and sensual with a very nice soft touch, but like most Russian girls put such heavy and continuous pressure to get me to VIP with her that I began to feel like I was being hustled. Then when she altered the rate she quoted for VIP from $200 to $300 and denied she ever said $200 I knew for sure I was being hustled. If she said she had mispoke or was mistaken about the rate I would have gone with the flow but with the possibility that hidden or unspoken charges might be added once we got the VIP being a distinct possibility I balked.

As the evening progressed the girls became more bold and some were directly propositioning me for blow jobs. One had the nerve to ask for 300 for the room and $300 for her for a blow job, when I shook my head no she said we could work something out, but I knew by her manner that the service would suck (pun intended) and so I passed.

In a way, at that point the event seemed more like an Asscon with slightly better looking girls and way inflated prices. Slinky's phrase "indoor streetwalking" was very prominent in my mind throughout the later part of the event. Ultimately, I had a few high mileage lap dances and didn't VIP. The event started at 6pm and was winding down by 10pm.

In summary, I felt that I could probably do just as well or better for the money in a NJ strip club because you might pay about the same money but would also have a better selection of women to choose from. I also think you could do just as well or better with an internet independant in terms of both looks and cost since these girls were not really low mileage strippers but rather strippers who regularly worked as prostitutes both in the clubs and on the side.
 
#24
Elliot- thanks for the review...I've always wanted to know more about these events. I was considering going to this event, but the way I saw The Kid sell us on this event, I decided to pass on it. Particularly this is not the type of environment I would have been used to.

A must person must have this type of the UG fetish to willing to pay $300 for the room and another $300 just for a BJ. That's just insane. I can get a real hot indy for 2 hours at those rates.

This is off topic...but if you guys ever go to London, there are some "real" parties there. Check out Sacred Rose Parties.. for about $280 US, you get 3 hours of continous fun with whatever girl you want in there. No tipping, everything is inclusive. Drinks, Buffet, all the sex you can handle for 3 hours. Plus the girls are smokin'.
 
#25
DaiDaiLun said:
A must person must have this type of the UG fetish to willing to pay $300 for the room and another $300 just for a BJ. That's just insane. I can get a real hot indy for 2 hours at those rates.
Or you can have a mainstream strip club fetish, where you can easily pay more than that for that same service. It's just different from seeing an indy. (Among other things, how many independents can you see on no advance notice? For another, what independent gives you the ability to talk to many women and then select the one you want before you buy?)
 
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elliot16 said:
I also think you could do just as well or better with an internet independant in terms of both looks and cost since these girls were not really low mileage strippers but rather strippers who regularly worked as prostitutes both in the clubs and on the side.
I just want to slightly disagree with one implication of this statement. Having to do with "looks" (not "cost"). A lot of the "in-club" "prostitutes" at top-level mainstream clubs are beautiful, better looking than the average internet independent in my experience. (But expensive as hell.)
 
#28
justlooking said:
Or you can have a mainstream strip club fetish, where you can easily pay more than that for that same service.
Actually, I misspoke. At mainstream clubs, you can in fact pay more than that for services that include a blow job, but since you pay for an hour rather than for just a blow job you get a lot more than just the blow job. I gather that at this event you paid for the service rather than the time period, so that your VIP was over once you came (and there were no repeats or threepeats).
 
#29
Elliot16 was obviously there and his review is fairly accurate.As for HIS rating
of the dancers I think we have to first agree on some basic frames of reference. Were they Playboy Playmates ? No. Could some of them have easily posed for Penthouse or Club. Definitely.In fact several did pose for the Diamond Girls Calendar which Elliot may have seen lying on several of the tables. Were they on average and on balance far superior to what is typically found at New York area underground event.Absolutely ! At least in my experience.Btw Elliot- I know exactly of whom you speak- Tall, blonde, Russki- I'd rate her a 6 at best and I'd never go near those prices. Certainly not for her or anyone remotely like her. As to all the upselling you referred to, I can't answer for it. I wouldn't pay those rates and in fact did not.I did pay $100 to cuddle with a long time dancer friend who is definitely low-mileage and is very honest about it. Later I paid $300 for 1/2 an hour with a "9" and everything except the back door was on the menu.I also know that some of those girls "date" for $500 an hr. so 3c's for a 1/2 didn't seem too out of line.
Could you do better elsewhere ? Please define "better" - cheaper ? Sure, but with what kind of woman. The fat slobs and crack ho's of events like Ass-con ? Or the Trans-Atlantic equivalent at Sacred Rose ?You seriously want to trot bareback with some of them ? Knock y-self out.We all know what the Champagne & VIP rooms cost at Score's and PEC and that's BEFORE you negotiate with the dancer. If $1500 & up is your idea of value- be my guest.
I've actually been to two parties that were even MORE expensive than this one. One was in Hollywood Hills last year ( Playmates, Exotica-2000/ Body
Miracle escorts,feature dancers ) $200 cover but with open bar.The other was in S. Florida during the Super Bowl- $1500 all inclusive for the day
including the companionship of the lady of my choice. Some will read this and say I'm bragging. I don't think so. I'm just pointing out how way,way down
on the scale of these events Ass-con, Studio 5 and The Harmony really are.
To each his own.
BTW- there will be another party in March. A lot of the same girls BUT a
different promoter who told me that by using a less expensive locale & scaling
back the menu he can charge $50 cover or maybe as low as $40.
 
#30
First let me say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said please pardon my ignorance, but what is the Diamond Girl calendar? Lots of girls pose for calendars but that doesn't make them either Penthouse girls or even Club girls. There were attractive girls at the party, but there wasn't a 9 in the bunch, not even an 8, yet I'll wager that most guys will be able to find 8's and maybe a 9 or two at a top level strip club in Manhattan on a busy night.

If I were to have paid what I was quoted for an half hr plus services it would have been 500-600 (and that's not counting the 100 dollar entrance fee) for a blow job...one and done. Are you saying that I couldn't get the same thing for that money at a quality club in NJ and have had a greater variety of girls of equal or better quality to choose from? Well, greater choice and quality for the same money seems like better value to me.

If I was to spend 1000 to 1400 in a high end NY strip club and got multiple events in the hr and a greater choice of girls who were of much higher quality would that be considered a better deal? Yes, because more time, better quality, better variety and better service are worth the greater cost.

If I spent an hr with a hot internet girl like Giselle for 400-500 and let's say I bought myself a much better dinner with that hundred plus a bottle of wine to drink with her that also sounds like a much better value to me.

It's not just the looks of the girls that makes an experience one of higher quality. When the girls at the party acted like Asscon girls and directly propositioned me for services (essentially acting like street ho's) the difference between the two sets of girls narrowed in my mind.

Of course this wasn't on the level of an asscon event, but the distance between an asscon and this is not nearly as great as you'd like to make it and yet the difference in the cost of the services was significantly higher.

For instance, I see a girl regularly at Asscon, and I think, as well as several of my friends think that she's a very hot asscon girl who I'd rate a 7. For a half hr, with private VIP if it's available the cost is 140. Now, were the girls and the event in NJ worth 3-4 times what I can get at asscon? The answer is clearly no. And, I've said nothing about barebacking Asscon girls, are you telling me you got or were offered BBFS at that party?

You really make too many assumptions without knowing what my habits of play are. I've partied at the bottom with asscon and had threesomes and one on ones with pornstars and Playboy Lingerie issue girls. I've seen the internet stars and the up and comers. I've seen the touring girls and the local girls. I've fucked a number of very hot wannabee actresses and models. A sugar baby of mine made jaws drop when we went shopping at a local mall. And I've fucked most of these girls at rates that would make the guys who pay retail sick to their stomachs. Gee, I hope I don't sound like I'm bragging.
 
#31
I guess most mongers have the understanding of this event and if it works more power to them. Yet, degrading other underground events is not accurate, convincing or professional.
 
#32
Elliot- I respectfully submit that you & I agree more than we disagree.
Several copies of the Diamond Girls Calendar were in plain view at the party.
The "models" were fairly well known dancers on the NJ/NY circuit including
several who worked this party.
No, I was not offered bbfs and I never said that I was. Quite the contrary; the ladies who work these and other high end parties are notoriously hygienic
which I for one appreciate.
As far as your rating of the women all I can say is : " Wow ! and I thought
I didn't grade on a curve." I've certainly seen dancers that you and I would
probably agree were 8's ; 9's and maybe even a 10 once in a blue moon. BUT,
I know that I'm not willing to buy air dances from any of them ( and I assume
you feel likewise ). I'm not willing to pay anywhere from $350 to $1500 for
VIP's not including whatever the dancer charges for her , ahem, services.
In fact I've never bought a VIP at Scores, PEC or any other Manhattan
strip club and have no intention of doing so even if I hit the Lotto tomorrow.
There are other clubs where I have and gotten what you & I would probably
agree was a reasonable return for the money spent.These days most of my
recreational $ is spent on totally private 1 on 1 encounters in much more
comfortable facilities than strip club VIP's. I have one genuine "relationship" with a dancer who sees me gratis and the other 2 charge me a flat $500 for what is usually at least a 2 hr. session of very, very deep philosophical discourse. If you go back and re-read one of my previous posts you'll see that I mentioned one of it's purposes was to serve as a "meet & greet " for future OTC aka "take-out" activities and in fact that appeared to happen in more than one instance. I assume you took note of a few "couples" leaving together presumably ending up in a cozy motel with heart shaped tub; some fairly close by on Rte. 1 & 9.Or maybe they didn't like the food and went out to eat somewhere else.
I am full agreement that the price you were quoted by "T" ( let's avoid using
full names, shall we ) was ridiculous and I commend you for not paying it. I
certainly would not have. Likewise,when looked at in comparison to the entire spectrum of what else is available out there, and what it costs, you can make
the argument, a good argument in fact, that your entertainment dollar is
better spent or goes further than at this particular party. Btw, my issues
with Ass-con and Studio 5 NEVER had anything to do with the prices of
the services offered by the dancers that worked those parties. I hated the
club that Ass-con used ( cramped, run-down, dirty-esspecially the bathroom)
and I thought the drink prices were outrageous considering the atmosphere in
which they were served. As to the dancers, I've heard and read stories of
experienced vets hooking up with appealing women both there and at Studio.
I never did and in fact never saw anyone that had any allure to ME. We can agree I'm sure that my personal tastes & preferences do not necessarily
coincide with yours and vice versa. My 10 might only be an 8 to you. Your
9 might be as low as a 6 to me. For instance "T" had absolutely no appeal to
me whatsoever regardless of whatever her quoted rates may have been. I
wouldn't have trifled with her using your money.
As for the balance of your post describing your personal exploits all I can say
is : " Bravo ". Sometimes life is good isn't it.
 
#33
Kid,

Just to clarify, cause I don't want to quibble over small details, I guess that if there were 25 dancers there and the VIP was 300 flat for a half hour of whatever I wouldn't have had a complaint about the party. In fact, I would have happily indulged with a few of the girls who were there.

It wasn't on just one girl's quote that I formed my notion of the rates. I talked to 3 or 4 girls who were quoting the same or similar rates of 300 plus 100 for HJ or 200-300 for a BJ and some weren't offering FS. I think that part of problem was that the client to dancer ratio was high and some girls figured it was a seller's market and were gouging. If there were more girls and more competition I might have found a deal I would have been happy with.
 
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#34
Sounds Like....

A very, very, very expensive night out. 100 to walkin the door...30 per lap dance, so you are into about 200 before you have your second drink...200-300 for one VIP...thats 400-500 before I have my third drink...another couple of dances I am up to 500- 600...another VIP and another drink I am up to 1000. FOR WHAT...the chance to bang some dancer???

I could very easily spend 1000 on this event...shit my accountant would find a way to right it off as a business expense. But for 1000 I could get 3 very high mileage dates with three very hot ladies with multiple cups at each date and I could still afford after each date to stop for some sushi on the way home.

The lure of places like Asscon, for me anyway, was the novelty of banging some freak in a regular bar setting and perhaps you had an audience...in my world that doesn;t happen to often. Some of the girls were 5's and 6's but for 100 you got a quick shot in a sleazy dark room and in 15 minutes you were back doing shots with your buddies. I went to Asscon several times. Never spent more than 400 and got off 3 or 4 times, left with a nice buzz, had several laughs with the boys and still had money for sushi on the way home.

Sounds to me like this new "club" is for the rich and famous, or better yet, a source of profit for some good looking sluts who think they are worth more than they really are. This venue will put itself out of business before long. LE is probably laughing and letting them do it to themselves.

As always just my .02
 
#39
Elliot- I honestly can't explain your experience and what you relate runs
counter to what past parties were about and what this one was supposed to be as well. The $300 was SUPPOSED to be all-inclusive or at least almost
all-inclusive.The fact that you were quoted prices in addition or on top of that is what it is- "gouging", "overcharging" and I wouldn't pay it either.I was not privy to these conversations but it SEEMS like some of the gals felt free
to charge their regular hourly rate ( for a 1/2 hr.) which I would argue was inappropriate to say the least.This is compounded by the fact that they didn't have to share their ld or VIP $ with the house. From the feedback I've been getting overall attendance was apparently disappointing esspecially compared to the June & Sept. parties. Both had a lot more customers and the Sept. party had about 22 or 23 dancers some of whom were definitely a cut above what was present here. A lot of guys I know who wanted to go to this party had to attend their office or company X-mas party instead and despite clear announcements that the snow was not supposed to start before 2 or 3 A.M. ( on radio & TV) some stayed home out of an over- exercise of caution.Winter parties are always tricky because of the weather.

PONY- To each his own. If you re-read my previous posts, I clearly stated
that this party was NOT for bargain-hunters AND that Ass-con afficianados
would not necessarily appreciate a party such as this.From what I saw at the
Ass-cons I attended 5's and 6's were the upper end of the scale and I , for one, have no interest or desire to dance close with such women. Again,to each his own.Btw- this is not a "Club" and since it's a private party with limited admission and it's never held in the same place twice; let alone the same town I doubt if it's even up on anyone's radar screen. Why do you think
I waited until the last minute to post the location ?

On a more positive note, the promoters of the next one share some of the
ideas and concerns expressed here which is why they are going to use a less
expensive location; scale back the buffet menu, charge a much lower
cover AND try to have twice as many dancers. I'll pass along info as it becomes available except for the actual location which will be posted the
P.M. of , if at all. We'll see.

own
 
#40
who are the girls? if they are the girls from the diamond girlz calander 2005 id be there in a heartbeat. does anyone know what girls work these events? thanks.
 
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