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Slinky Bender

Slinky Bender

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I really hate the idea of playing for $ online, but recently for a goof I started playing on the free side of PartyPoker. The play is really piss poor. So I'm wondering from guys who've ben there on both the free side and pay side: is the play really that bad when people are using real $? (i.e. people are really stupid, have no idea how to play, and it's incredibly easy to take their $).
 
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beadman

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Party poker is one of the harder sites to win on just imho. Having very good time at Noble poker. Party poker just TOO MANY people and other sites such as noble have min deposit of $20 instead of $50. So you can start smaller if you are talking Tourney play surely stay away from PP.
 
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aceofclubs26

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slinkybender said:
I really hate the idea of playing for $ online, but recently for a goof I started playing on the free side of PartyPoker. The play is really piss poor. So I'm wondering from guys who've ben there on both the free side and pay side: is the play really that bad when people are using real $? (i.e. people are really stupid, have no idea how to play, and it's incredibly easy to take their $).
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The free side is really bad....I've only played the lower blind pay games and it's not as bad but still pretty bad. Now if you enter the cheaper tourneys they run on the pay side, I've found that play to be just as bad as the free side.
 
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Cloud Nine

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The pay side is better with anything that involves higher than a 10 dollar tourney or $50NL or 1/2 blinds. Personally I stopped pklaying PP when I noticed too many weird things.
 
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Thorn

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What you noticed is collusion. It is simply too easy to be on the phone with another person you are working with at the same table and manipulate the game just enough to have a good edge.

Tourney play is a bit different, as tables are assigned and it is more difficult for two people willing to cheat by colluding to wind up on the same table.
 
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ollumi

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I agree, the collusion is there - easy to spot and not much you can do about it except switch to another table. The play level on pay is obviously better, as even a $5 pot will probably give the 8 yahoos around you a bit more thought in going all in with a 7-2 offsuit preflop than 1 million in play chips.
 
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ollumi

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Tournaments will still net you the odd players though...just ended up on a final table a week ago with not one, not two, but 3 out of a table of 6 players that did this: Pot size roughly 400k, they already committed 200k post flop, their remaining chipstack around 600k, their opponent just pushed all in with last 30k. Guess what they do? Fold. 3 whole damn people and so coincidentally against each other. I was just glad none of them made 1 or 2, it would've pissed the living shit out of me, as well as made me really wonder.
 
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junkie29

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I find it's just so much easier to click a button and make a bet online than it is to push real chips in a live game that people call or play pots they have no business being in. Even when the play is bad and the players are clueless, you get hit with bad beats all the time. The sheer volume of online players makes it impossible to win with skill alone. Don't get me wrong, this happens in live poker too. At this year's WSOP, Greg Raymer got reamed by they guy who sucked out a flush on the river, and never should have been in the hand. It just seems to happen every other hand online.
 
Slinky Bender

Slinky Bender

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But see, that would make me want to play. If it's a cash game (and especially pot limit), you just play right, and play long, and you will beat the snot out of those guys. For example, on the free side, they start you out with $1,000 in play money. I've been playing for about 2 weeks, I've never played in more than a $2,000 buy-in table, and I've got $300,000 in the "bank". If it's anywhere near that bad on the "real" side........................
 
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slicker647

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I believe that 90% of all the players have lost money on the partypoker site(myself included)Do yourself a favor, and don't even start---you will save yourself a lot of hard earned money.And, yes to people using phones at the tables---very easy to do.
 
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Cloud Nine

I had to open my big mouth.......
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The biggest problem with online poker is the speed of the hands. The rake will kill you since youre playing 4 times the amount of hands per hour than you are in casinos.
 
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beadman

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In the limit success I have had at online poker. I have found a small site with limited amout of players say about 1k-2k not 70k like PP and a good mix of Cash and Tourney tables. If you find one like this I feel its your best bet.
I have won about $1000 this month.
 
Supermong

Supermong

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Finally some honesty about poker and winnings. I am actually ahead via online poker but I usually only play cheap tourneys, 5-10-20 entry fees. It's a low cost with a big return once in a while.
 
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njmalan

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I started online little over a year ago. Deposited $500 and built it up to $2000 playing 5/10 limit in little over 2 months. Subsequently lost $1000 in 1 week. I couldn't deal with the swings (variance as they say) so I switched to $10 and $20 single table Sit N Go's and have been successful to the tune of netting about $4000 in 8 months. (I play 2 tables at once)

You definitely experience less swings in Sit N Go's since you're limited to losing only the buy-in amount. You can consistently profit from these but you need to play a lot (1000s) and make sure to keep stats (place finish / how much $$ won etc.).

Stay away from party poker for Sit N Go's. You start with only 800 chips so it's a shootout. Best sites for tight solid players in terms of starting chips and blind structure would be Poker Stars (lots of people but only 9 players per table) or Ultimate bet (very little traffic but 10 players per table).

As for the bank roll, you should start with at least 40x the buy-in level.
$10 buy in = $400 roll
$20 buy in = $800 roll
This will absorb any swings you may potentially go through. (my worst streak was 16 out of the money - don't get discouraged if you go through one of these. It's bound to happen.)
 
MetroJay1

MetroJay1

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I like Pokerroom.com. I know I do not play the same way when I play for fun vs when I play for money. When I play for fun I'm like, ok, I'll take a chance and hope to get a 10 for the straight vs, the chances og getting that 10 are like 8% so I'll fold now.
 
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njbandit

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There is free online poker at bravo's website. The skill of the players varies and I think the prize for winning is a shot at being on there next season of Celebrity Poker Challenge.
 
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hankscorpio

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not a pro, but close

With all this poker talk, i've got to weigh in. I've been playing online poker practically since its inception. I'm talking about being on Party Poker when the site had less than 300 people, now it pushes 80,000 every day. During that time, I've studied and improved, regressed and studied again, and on and on.

Overall, I'm up a decent amount though I generally play low to medium limit games. I've played over 20 different sites and I can tell you that collusion does happen. That said, if you play properly and understand your opponents and your cards, you can reliably win in the LONG RUN. If you're not willing to work to master the game, then forget it. The rake will kill you along with the luck factor.

I'm not saying I'm a master, by any definition, but I have a lot of experience playing online 1/2, 2/4, 5/10, 20/40, limit, no-limit, tourneys, hold'em, stud, omaha, pineapple.... the list goes on. I know a lot of guys who make this a professional proposition and do well. It's a tough life and you gotta grind it out, but the possibility is there.

Check out a couple of sites and tools if you're interested in getting to the next level...

www.twoplustwo.com - best poker forum on the net.

www.pokertracker.com - one of the better stat engines for tracking your play.
 
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beadman

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Concern about poker sites

I see most sites are adding " casino styles games " to addition to poker.
This is bad news in my opinion and these games should be avoided at all costs. They provide bad odds and a way for these sites to hammer away at what little profits u can achieve from the rakes of these sites. any opinions ?
 
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mitchmaxx

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beadman said:
I see most sites are adding " casino styles games " to addition to poker.
This is bad news in my opinion and these games should be avoided at all costs. They provide bad odds and a way for these sites to hammer away at what little profits u can achieve from the rakes of these sites. any opinions ?
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STAY AWAY!!! I do pretty well on PP in the Sit and Gos,I play the 20 to 100 dollar entry, and usually place in the top 3 5 or 6 out of 10 times.... I started tooling around with the fuckin Black Jack that is on the top right when you play... I lost almost everything in my account, and I had built up a nice little bankroll.... DON'T PLAY THE SIDE BET BULLSHIT!!! I need to find a live freakin game...
 
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beadman

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mitchmaxx said:
STAY AWAY!!! I do pretty well on PP in the Sit and Gos,I play the 20 to 100 dollar entry, and usually place in the top 3 5 or 6 out of 10 times.... I started tooling around with the fuckin Black Jack that is on the top right when you play... I lost almost everything in my account, and I had built up a nice little bankroll.... DON'T PLAY THE SIDE BET BULLSHIT!!! I need to find a live freakin game...
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Yup, Craps is my downfall. Fucking greedy sites.
 
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