Old men pushing 60 with prostate problems
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I guess I need to chime in too.. not quite 60 but the prostrate is enlarged and PSA was on the rise- Dr strongly suggested biopsy which was not like fun. Negative results, thank goodness, but it took a couple of months to recover.. blood in urine and really distorted ejacs for a while.. Prostate issues cause lots of problems
Read in mens health magazine to do kegels. It does miracles for prostate. Btw when you get the psa test no sex no kegels 3 to 5 days before. It raises the psa score. My score was raised and they wanted a battery of tests. Went back to normal in 2 weeks then again 2 mos later so....KEGELS. read about it gents
I get checked regularly due to prostrate cancer in the family so far I am all good time like I said spicy foods are starting to bother me but doc says stay away should be ok so I do although sometimes I par take in hot Italian sausage. I did read some where about kegels helping with prostrate issues
IMHO, doc's are to eager to do biopsy for modest increases is PSA. From my research on the matter, the concern of PSA modestly over 4.0 results in unnecessary biopsies for older men as PSA will rise for as the prostate enlarges (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia) in older men when there is no cancer and the side effects of biopsies can be serious.
Serious research with double blind studies on 2 tablespoons of ground flaxseed have shown reductions in PSA equal to or better than leading prostate drugs for Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia w/o the side effect of such drugs such as reduction in libido and male breast enlargement. Do some research with "Michael Greger MD flaxseed" as keywords. He is selling nothing, has useful podcasts and some books out (All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to charity) on health issues, and any advice from him as always based on legitimate controlled studies. Also having more of a plant based diet (you don't have to be a fanatic about it) also helps. Again do your research.
My recommendation is to do your research before you allow chunks of prostate tissue to be taken out of your prostate for analysis if you are an older guy. If you are a younger guy, say 40-60 and your PSA starts to change significantly you should take the matter more seriously.
Note that, for older guys, nonaggressive prostate cancer is almost "normal" and Watchful Waiting or Active Surveillance is now the recommended approach to treatment. Again do your research and stick to legitimate sources such as:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostate-cancer/treating/watchful-waiting
and
https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/guide/prostate-cancer-treatment-wait
Also note that elevated PSA in older men is so common that it ceases to be a useful diagnostic tool for health such that from:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2692165/
"...many health authorities advocate the cessation of routine prostate cancer testing in men older than 75 because of the belief that most patients will have a clinically insignificant cancer and will not benefit from therapy..."
Serious research with double blind studies on 2 tablespoons of ground flaxseed have shown reductions in PSA equal to or better than leading prostate drugs for Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia w/o the side effect of such drugs such as reduction in libido and male breast enlargement. Do some research with "Michael Greger MD flaxseed" as keywords. He is selling nothing, has useful podcasts and some books out (All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to charity) on health issues, and any advice from him as always based on legitimate controlled studies. Also having more of a plant based diet (you don't have to be a fanatic about it) also helps. Again do your research.
My recommendation is to do your research before you allow chunks of prostate tissue to be taken out of your prostate for analysis if you are an older guy. If you are a younger guy, say 40-60 and your PSA starts to change significantly you should take the matter more seriously.
Note that, for older guys, nonaggressive prostate cancer is almost "normal" and Watchful Waiting or Active Surveillance is now the recommended approach to treatment. Again do your research and stick to legitimate sources such as:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostate-cancer/treating/watchful-waiting
and
https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/guide/prostate-cancer-treatment-wait
Also note that elevated PSA in older men is so common that it ceases to be a useful diagnostic tool for health such that from:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2692165/
"...many health authorities advocate the cessation of routine prostate cancer testing in men older than 75 because of the belief that most patients will have a clinically insignificant cancer and will not benefit from therapy..."
So many products on the market to address prostate: saw palmetto, stinging nettles, pumpkin oil, pygeum, rye grass, turmeric, ginger, green tea, flaxseed oil and ground flaxseed (never use whole flaxseed because it is a hard seed that is hard to digest and will merely act as a laxative. But it is a good idea to buy whole flaxseed and grind them down in a blender or seed grinder as once they are milled, they turn rancid rather quickly.)
Most of the herbs these days are highly concentrated and sometimes interfere with sexual functions. (I don't use Viagra or Cialis or the like which surely would compensate for the concentrated quality of the herbs. However, I have never researched the affects of these western libido-boosters on the prostate gland)
Be careful to avoid Horny Goat Weed (yin yang huo, epimedium) as it actually will increase the size and weight of the prostate.
One product that I do like and it is unique because it is pure ground organic herbs and not extracts and that is Men's Support by Banyan Botanicals. It is from the Ayurvedic Tradition. It works a bit slow but seems to clean out the prostate and also enhance sexual function at the same time. (It does have a diuretic quality to it, though) The list of ayurvedic herbs used in the formula is quite unique and unusual and away from the mainstream list of herbs and supplements. But they are common in the Indian Ayurvedic tradition.
Another remedy that might prove very helpful is "Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan."
This is a very traditional formula that is used quite extensively in China and Japan. It considers many factors and theories of Traditional Chinese Medicine but it is does have a very mild balanced diuretic quality to the point of almost never noticing it unless you are extremely sensitive and that is due to the presence of some minor diuretic herbs. But the major herbs are to enhance the entire system from the adrenals down to the prostate. It is used to restore energy to the genitourinary system and improve sexual function.
(please note that the concepts of Traditional Chinese Medicine are often quite different than those of western medicine. In my opinion, whether from the east or from the west, as long as it brings health back to the genitourinary system without harming it, eastern or western disciplines are both to be admired and useful. )
In Asia, top quality compositions of Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan can be found. In Flushing and online this formula can be easily acquired but in lesser qualities.
I have used both formulas with excellent results. I only run into prostate problems when I want to be a superhero and start using horny goat weed, wild ginseng, Cherokee rose, deer antler and others that are known to be powerful testosterone producers and if the system starts producing and over-abundance in semen, the prostate will expand and squeeze the urethra and compress the bladder, causing frequent urination. (definitely not a comfortable feeling)
A very hot salt, Epsom salt or sulfur bath, hip bath can do wonders for relief.
Most of the herbs these days are highly concentrated and sometimes interfere with sexual functions. (I don't use Viagra or Cialis or the like which surely would compensate for the concentrated quality of the herbs. However, I have never researched the affects of these western libido-boosters on the prostate gland)
Be careful to avoid Horny Goat Weed (yin yang huo, epimedium) as it actually will increase the size and weight of the prostate.
One product that I do like and it is unique because it is pure ground organic herbs and not extracts and that is Men's Support by Banyan Botanicals. It is from the Ayurvedic Tradition. It works a bit slow but seems to clean out the prostate and also enhance sexual function at the same time. (It does have a diuretic quality to it, though) The list of ayurvedic herbs used in the formula is quite unique and unusual and away from the mainstream list of herbs and supplements. But they are common in the Indian Ayurvedic tradition.
Another remedy that might prove very helpful is "Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan."
This is a very traditional formula that is used quite extensively in China and Japan. It considers many factors and theories of Traditional Chinese Medicine but it is does have a very mild balanced diuretic quality to the point of almost never noticing it unless you are extremely sensitive and that is due to the presence of some minor diuretic herbs. But the major herbs are to enhance the entire system from the adrenals down to the prostate. It is used to restore energy to the genitourinary system and improve sexual function.
(please note that the concepts of Traditional Chinese Medicine are often quite different than those of western medicine. In my opinion, whether from the east or from the west, as long as it brings health back to the genitourinary system without harming it, eastern or western disciplines are both to be admired and useful. )
In Asia, top quality compositions of Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan can be found. In Flushing and online this formula can be easily acquired but in lesser qualities.
I have used both formulas with excellent results. I only run into prostate problems when I want to be a superhero and start using horny goat weed, wild ginseng, Cherokee rose, deer antler and others that are known to be powerful testosterone producers and if the system starts producing and over-abundance in semen, the prostate will expand and squeeze the urethra and compress the bladder, causing frequent urination. (definitely not a comfortable feeling)
A very hot salt, Epsom salt or sulfur bath, hip bath can do wonders for relief.
Just to put it out there, if you have any prostate issues.
I have had issues with BPH but never liked the idea of drugs like: Flomax, Hytrin, Avodart, Proscar, et cetera.
I have never tried them, but there are known side-effects that might lower sex drive and create other problems. And if they cause a lowered sex drive, one might turn to ED drugs like Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, Stendra.
And, lo and behold, one is now ingesting two drugs, one for prostate and the other for the sexual deficiency that the prostate medication created.
I am sure it works, if you don’t mind going that route, but I try to keep the drugs to a minimum, and using them, if needed, on an emergency basis, and not daily dependency, if at all possible.
Recently, I have been traveling and drinking too much coffee and the prostate let me know it, waking up at night to urinate, and just hindering my day, and less than optimal performance with the ladies.
I went on line and compared some herbal extract and nutritional supports for the prostate/bladder.
By comparison of ingredients, I liked a product put out by a very reputable family-owned vitamin/supplement company by the name of NOW FOODS. They have a few prostate products, but the one with the best line-up of ingredients is called “Clinical Strength Prostate Health.” Also, very reasonable price, around $20 for a large bottle.
The ingredients contain a very formidable array of herbal and fruit extracts with a minor vitamin/mineral component.
I ordered it online and was very pleased with the results. After a day or so in the system, slept a good 5 uninterrupted hours and realized that I could do better with under-dosing. And, I split the dose over the day. Not necessary, but I like it that way. Easier on the system.
it should be noted that some of the supplements in this formula are tested and known to be deterrents to prostate cancer, which is a plus in favor of going the more natural route.
And, finally, the true, one and only “litmus test,” took it to the streets, picked up a sexy little babe — well, mama, and the prostate did not impede my Johnson in any way. No urge to bust early. Sweetie and I fell in love instantly and I really enjoyed some long-play.
In all honesty, I am still glowing in the aftermath of that lovely encounter.
(If the prostate has any swelling, it could cause discomfort during sex and urge you to discharge early, just to relieve the pressure, which is natural and okay, but you might find that you limited your fun by ending early. Although a heated-rush is thrilling and exciting, I prefer the capability to control and maneuver the sexual energy to play-out all my desires, and to leave satisfied, with no regrets)
I have had issues with BPH but never liked the idea of drugs like: Flomax, Hytrin, Avodart, Proscar, et cetera.
I have never tried them, but there are known side-effects that might lower sex drive and create other problems. And if they cause a lowered sex drive, one might turn to ED drugs like Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, Stendra.
And, lo and behold, one is now ingesting two drugs, one for prostate and the other for the sexual deficiency that the prostate medication created.
I am sure it works, if you don’t mind going that route, but I try to keep the drugs to a minimum, and using them, if needed, on an emergency basis, and not daily dependency, if at all possible.
Recently, I have been traveling and drinking too much coffee and the prostate let me know it, waking up at night to urinate, and just hindering my day, and less than optimal performance with the ladies.
I went on line and compared some herbal extract and nutritional supports for the prostate/bladder.
By comparison of ingredients, I liked a product put out by a very reputable family-owned vitamin/supplement company by the name of NOW FOODS. They have a few prostate products, but the one with the best line-up of ingredients is called “Clinical Strength Prostate Health.” Also, very reasonable price, around $20 for a large bottle.
The ingredients contain a very formidable array of herbal and fruit extracts with a minor vitamin/mineral component.
I ordered it online and was very pleased with the results. After a day or so in the system, slept a good 5 uninterrupted hours and realized that I could do better with under-dosing. And, I split the dose over the day. Not necessary, but I like it that way. Easier on the system.
it should be noted that some of the supplements in this formula are tested and known to be deterrents to prostate cancer, which is a plus in favor of going the more natural route.
And, finally, the true, one and only “litmus test,” took it to the streets, picked up a sexy little babe — well, mama, and the prostate did not impede my Johnson in any way. No urge to bust early. Sweetie and I fell in love instantly and I really enjoyed some long-play.
In all honesty, I am still glowing in the aftermath of that lovely encounter.
(If the prostate has any swelling, it could cause discomfort during sex and urge you to discharge early, just to relieve the pressure, which is natural and okay, but you might find that you limited your fun by ending early. Although a heated-rush is thrilling and exciting, I prefer the capability to control and maneuver the sexual energy to play-out all my desires, and to leave satisfied, with no regrets)
Valuable information TY
I think there are quite a few of us, including myself who share these issues.
I am going to order a bottle now. What I do find questionable is why my Urologist does not suggest the holistic route first, prior to putting me on meds.
How long did it take for you to notice an an improvement in your nighttime wake up to P events?
I cannot remember the last time I slept through the night without waking 2-3 times
I think there are quite a few of us, including myself who share these issues.
I am going to order a bottle now. What I do find questionable is why my Urologist does not suggest the holistic route first, prior to putting me on meds.
How long did it take for you to notice an an improvement in your nighttime wake up to P events?
I cannot remember the last time I slept through the night without waking 2-3 times
Good luck with your Active Surveillance.
Depending on your age at some point you will need to be treated.
Back in 2008 I was treated with 110 low dose radioactive seeds implanted in my prostate.
Cancer cured, PS checked every year and it's holding at 0.36.
Still sexually active unlike some people I know who got the operation.
If anyone is contemplating treatment I'd be willing to share more details.
Depending on your age at some point you will need to be treated.
Back in 2008 I was treated with 110 low dose radioactive seeds implanted in my prostate.
Cancer cured, PS checked every year and it's holding at 0.36.
Still sexually active unlike some people I know who got the operation.
If anyone is contemplating treatment I'd be willing to share more details.
Just had my annual physical. I go back next week to go over blood results. I get up to pee probably twice a night. That's annoying. My doctor wants me going to a urologist. Last time I had a slightly elevated PSA though I don't remember what it was. sucks being 56. I have been taking saw palmetto for a few months and quite frankly I haven't noticed a difference.