Sort of an offshoot of this thread in the Spa Section:
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20227
It used to be, at the Harmony and various other clubs, the handjob was the staple of relief, and other "extras" were fewer and further in between. Then, more and more spots became "more open". For a lot of guys, that was great, since that's what they wanted. But for a different group of guys, that really is what they were after. Girls who only wanted to give HJ's were "phased out" of a lot of places, and (from what I can see) an awful lot of the girls who remain, only want to give more, and really don't have much "HJ skill" even if you can convince them to give you that service.
Another part of this issue is that as a result, there's a whole group of girls who used to enter these venues "knowing" they the weren't going to be "whores" because "I only give handjobs". It's not clear how much of an impact the constricting of this conduit has cut down on the inflow of a certain type of "dancer" into "higher service activities".
At the same time, a number of "non-undergrund" spots, which are much more "HJ oriented" (and where extras can sometimes be had, but that aspect is UG/UTR) seem to be flourishing. Out on LI, it appears that the average $ per shift at such places, for the majority of girls, is exceeding the $ at the UG spots where much "higher mileage" is de rigeur.
And at a number of the UG spots, there appears to be a shift away from a certain group of guys who always used to be regulars back in the "Golden Days of Handjobs" (yeah, no one ever called it that. It was the "Golden Age of Lapdance Places"... but i hope my emphasis makes my point). I think that, just as much as there were always girls who wanted to think that they weren't hookers because all they gave was handjobs, there are/were a group og guys who didn't consider themselves Johns because all they got was HJ's.
Before I go off even more and totally bore everyone (too late?), I'll note that on more than a few occassions I let "dancers" know that I'd rather have DFK and a HJ than a CBJ. I think the ability to get girls who are good at both those activities, or even willing to try, have greatly diminished in the recent past.
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20227
It used to be, at the Harmony and various other clubs, the handjob was the staple of relief, and other "extras" were fewer and further in between. Then, more and more spots became "more open". For a lot of guys, that was great, since that's what they wanted. But for a different group of guys, that really is what they were after. Girls who only wanted to give HJ's were "phased out" of a lot of places, and (from what I can see) an awful lot of the girls who remain, only want to give more, and really don't have much "HJ skill" even if you can convince them to give you that service.
Another part of this issue is that as a result, there's a whole group of girls who used to enter these venues "knowing" they the weren't going to be "whores" because "I only give handjobs". It's not clear how much of an impact the constricting of this conduit has cut down on the inflow of a certain type of "dancer" into "higher service activities".
At the same time, a number of "non-undergrund" spots, which are much more "HJ oriented" (and where extras can sometimes be had, but that aspect is UG/UTR) seem to be flourishing. Out on LI, it appears that the average $ per shift at such places, for the majority of girls, is exceeding the $ at the UG spots where much "higher mileage" is de rigeur.
And at a number of the UG spots, there appears to be a shift away from a certain group of guys who always used to be regulars back in the "Golden Days of Handjobs" (yeah, no one ever called it that. It was the "Golden Age of Lapdance Places"... but i hope my emphasis makes my point). I think that, just as much as there were always girls who wanted to think that they weren't hookers because all they gave was handjobs, there are/were a group og guys who didn't consider themselves Johns because all they got was HJ's.
Before I go off even more and totally bore everyone (too late?), I'll note that on more than a few occassions I let "dancers" know that I'd rather have DFK and a HJ than a CBJ. I think the ability to get girls who are good at both those activities, or even willing to try, have greatly diminished in the recent past.
