Life on other planets

#22
I overlooked something. I forgot to take into account the creation of planets which can only happen after a star goes supernova followed by a period of accretion of the matter the star expelled. How much time that is? The life of the star plus the period of accretion, is anyone's guess but your talking billions of years. I'll use 5 billion. So 14 minus 5 equals 9. 9 minus 4.5 equals 4.5. So those aliens would of had 4.5 billion yrs to find us.
The time a star takes to go supernova is a function of the siz of the star. There were stars a million times bigger than our sun and they didn't last long (maybe hundreds of millions to a billion years before they supernova'ed.
Our sun and planets formed about 4.6 billion yers ago the sun from hydrogen gas and the planets from the larger elements formed from prior super novas.
 

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#23
Time began at the big bng. There was no "before" the big bang.

Nothing existed "before", not time and not space.
And how do you or anyone know that to be the case ? There always has to be something even if it's nothingness. Don't need to be a genius to figure that out.
 
#24
I don't think Jesus Christ is son of god but he was a great guy and a great teacher. He once said that he is alpha and omega — meaning he is the beginning and the end. I often think about it and I believe zero and infinity converge. Try putting zeros to the (with a point) left and right of "1" forever it certainly will converge. There has to be way to travel faster than light. UtopiaGuide rocks man!
 
#25
The time a star takes to go supernova is a function of the siz of the star. There were stars a million times bigger than our sun and they didn't last long (maybe hundreds of millions to a billion years before they supernova'ed.
Our sun and planets formed about 4.6 billion yers ago the sun from hydrogen gas and the planets from the larger elements formed from prior super novas.
Our sun is a third generation star with at least two stars before it and can be composed of matter from more stars depending on what was in the nebula it was created in. Thus it contains elements heavier than H and He that are not of it's own making. And you are right massive blue super giants are so hot they burn up their fuel in 10 million yrs.
 
#26
And how do you or anyone know that to be the case ? There always has to be something even if it's nothingness. Don't need to be a genius to figure that out.
We don't really know but it is what the math tells us. Like I said it is hard to wrap your head around it and you are thinking of nothingness as empty space but empty space doesn't exist in theory. According to the BBT there is only a singularity. A point with no dimensions, where all matter is compressed by gravity to a point where there is no space between or within atoms.
 
#27
And how do you or anyone know that to be the case ? There always has to be something even if it's nothingness. Don't need to be a genius to figure that out.
There is no such thing in our universe as nothingness. For example even the vacuum of space in not nothingness. Einstein predicted in his General Theory of Relativity that the is no such thing as gravity as a force pulling things. What we call gravity is actually a distortion or warping of spacetime caused by the presence of matter or energy. A massive object generates a gravitational field by warping the geometry of the surrounding spacetime — where spacetime is what you are referring to nothingness.

All of Einsteins predictions that we found a way to verify (sometime it took a long time to verify some of them), have turned out to be true.
For example the Webb telescope just "took a picture" of what is know as the Einstein Ring
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...elescope-snaps-perfect-shot-einstein-ring.htm

He predicted that if there was a star directly behind another star (the stars in this case are billions of light year part) that the closest star would warp space (what some incorrectly call gravitational pull) such that the mass-less photos of light will appear to bend around it because the warped space is the shortest path for the light to go. Newtons theory incorrectly would have the light from the furthest star blocked by the closest one because he assumed that light travels in a straight line (straight from the point of view of nothingness)

It took over a hundred years and a wonderful new telescope recently placed in a parallel (concentric orbit with earth around the sun) orbit with earth to verify that Einstein's prediction of light being bent thru spacetime warped into what appears to be a ring.

Yeah the Webb telescope cost $10 Billion that I guess some here would say could better be spent by buying a lifetime of high end escorts for every UG'er for the rest of their lives but I find it exciting to be alive with all this happening.

BY the way, besides being a genius, Einstein was as a very horney guy.
 
#28
Try putting zeros to the (with a point) left and right of "1" forever it certainly will converge. There has to be way to travel faster than light. UtopiaGuide rocks man!
It's infinity in both directions and will never converge unless the universe is curved, which I don't believe it is.
As for traveling faster than light again we use Einstein's formulas which say we can't. It would require infinite energy and since E=Mc² infinite mass also. The Large Hadron Collider can accelerate particles to 99.99% of the speed of light but no matter how much more energy they apply to it they can't reach 100%.
Oddly in the quantum world there is quantum entanglement where entangled quantum particles interact instantaneously no matter the distance between them, whether an inch or a billion light years. (Proven by experiments using atomic clocks on opposite sides of the planet). So how can one know what the other one is doing instantaneously, it's surely receiving information much faster than the speed of light. The universe is surely full of mysteries.
 
#29
There is no such thing in our universe as nothingness. For example even the vacuum of space in not nothingness. Einstein predicted in his General Theory of Relativity that the is no such thing as gravity as a force pulling things. What we call gravity is actually a distortion or warping of spacetime caused by the presence of matter or energy. A massive object generates a gravitational field by warping the geometry of the surrounding spacetime — where spacetime is what you are referring to nothingness.

All of Einsteins predictions that we found a way to verify (sometime it took a long time to verify some of them), have turned out to be true.
For example the Webb telescope just "took a picture" of what is know as the Einstein Ring
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...elescope-snaps-perfect-shot-einstein-ring.htm

He predicted that if there was a star directly behind another star (the stars in this case are billions of light year part) that the closest star would warp space (what some incorrectly call gravitational pull) such that the mass-less photos of light will appear to bend around it because the warped space is the shortest path for the light to go. Newtons theory incorrectly would have the light from the furthest star blocked by the closest one because he assumed that light travels in a straight line (straight from the point of view of nothingness)

It took over a hundred years and a wonderful new telescope recently placed in a parallel (concentric orbit with earth around the sun) orbit with earth to verify that Einstein's prediction of light being bent thru spacetime warped into what appears to be a ring.

Yeah the Webb telescope cost $10 Billion that I guess some here would say could better be spent by buying a lifetime of high end escorts for every UG'er for the rest of their lives but I find it exciting to be alive with all this happening.

BY the way, besides being a genius, Einstein was as a very horney guy.
I’m beginning to think you may be in his blood line .. lol..
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#30
There is no such thing in our universe as nothingness. For example even the vacuum of space in not nothingness. Einstein predicted in his General Theory of Relativity that the is no such thing as gravity as a force pulling things. What we call gravity is actually a distortion or warping of spacetime caused by the presence of matter or energy. A massive object generates a gravitational field by warping the geometry of the surrounding spacetime — where spacetime is what you are referring to nothingness.

All of Einsteins predictions that we found a way to verify (sometime it took a long time to verify some of them), have turned out to be true.
For example the Webb telescope just "took a picture" of what is know as the Einstein Ring
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...elescope-snaps-perfect-shot-einstein-ring.htm

He predicted that if there was a star directly behind another star (the stars in this case are billions of light year part) that the closest star would warp space (what some incorrectly call gravitational pull) such that the mass-less photos of light will appear to bend around it because the warped space is the shortest path for the light to go. Newtons theory incorrectly would have the light from the furthest star blocked by the closest one because he assumed that light travels in a straight line (straight from the point of view of nothingness)

It took over a hundred years and a wonderful new telescope recently placed in a parallel (concentric orbit with earth around the sun) orbit with earth to verify that Einstein's prediction of light being bent thru spacetime warped into what appears to be a ring.

Yeah the Webb telescope cost $10 Billion that I guess some here would say could better be spent by buying a lifetime of high end escorts for every UG'er for the rest of their lives but I find it exciting to be alive with all this happening.

BY the way, besides being a genius, Einstein was as a very horney guy.
God always was and always will be. Was it God? Who knows but to me it's a no brainer that something was always here. Maybe not a planet or maybe not a ray of light or a spec of dust. Perhaps just a thought. And if there is no such thing as nothingness then there had to be something. One or the other .
 
#31
There is no such thing in our universe as nothingness. For example even the vacuum of space in not nothingness. Einstein predicted in his General Theory of Relativity that the is no such thing as gravity as a force pulling things. What we call gravity is actually a distortion or warping of spacetime caused by the presence of matter or energy. A massive object generates a gravitational field by warping the geometry of the surrounding spacetime — where spacetime is what you are referring to nothingness.

All of Einsteins predictions that we found a way to verify (sometime it took a long time to verify some of them), have turned out to be true.
For example the Webb telescope just "took a picture" of what is know as the Einstein Ring
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...elescope-snaps-perfect-shot-einstein-ring.htm

He predicted that if there was a star directly behind another star (the stars in this case are billions of light year part) that the closest star would warp space (what some incorrectly call gravitational pull) such that the mass-less photos of light will appear to bend around it because the warped space is the shortest path for the light to go. Newtons theory incorrectly would have the light from the furthest star blocked by the closest one because he assumed that light travels in a straight line (straight from the point of view of nothingness)

It took over a hundred years and a wonderful new telescope recently placed in a parallel (concentric orbit with earth around the sun) orbit with earth to verify that Einstein's prediction of light being bent thru spacetime warped into what appears to be a ring.

Yeah the Webb telescope cost $10 Billion that I guess some here would say could better be spent by buying a lifetime of high end escorts for every UG'er for the rest of their lives but I find it exciting to be alive with all this happening.

BY the way, besides being a genius, Einstein was as a very horney guy.
It was proven right after WW1 in 1918 by observing an eclipse. With the sun blocked out they were able to observe the light from stars behind it being curved.
 
#32
Time began at the big bng. There was no "before" the big bang.

Nothing existed "before", not time and not space.
You Big Bang guys crack me up. What a silly name for a very complex and precise world we live in. All the explosions I’ve seen took lives never created life. Thanks
 
#33
God always was and always will be. Was it God? Who knows but to me it's a no brainer that something was always here. Maybe not a planet or maybe not a ray of light or a spec of dust. Perhaps just a thought. And if there is no such thing as nothingness then there had to be something. One or the other .
There is something called Occam's Razor that says that assumptions introduced to explain a thing must not be multiplied beyond necessity, and thus the simplest of competing hypotheses is always the best in accounting for unexplained facts.

For example of the creation of the universe from a singularity - by running the expanding universe backwards everything looks like it came from 1 spot:
hypothesis 1: the universe was created out of nothing - and it just appeared from a singularity and expanded to what it is today
hypothesis 2: God created the universe out of nothing - and it just appeared from a singularity and expanded to what it is today

Occam's Razor says of the two competing hypotheses, hypothesis 1 is probably correct. In fact God complicates everything as to where did God come from?
genius from UG, (and Stephen Hawking) also believes hypothesis 1 is probably correct.
 
#34
The time a star takes to go supernova is a function of the siz of the star. There were stars a million times bigger than our sun and they didn't last long (maybe hundreds of millions to a billion years before they supernova'ed.
Our sun and planets formed about 4.6 billion yers ago the sun from hydrogen gas and the planets from the larger elements formed from prior super novas.
Yet here we are.
 
#35
There is something called Occam's Razor that says that assumptions introduced to explain a thing must not be multiplied beyond necessity, and thus the simplest of competing hypotheses is always the best in accounting for unexplained facts.

For example of the creation of the universe from a singularity - by running the expanding universe backwards everything looks like it came from 1 spot:
hypothesis 1: the universe was created out of nothing - and it just appeared from a singularity and expanded to what it is today
hypothesis 2: God created the universe out of nothing - and it just appeared from a singularity and expanded to what it is today

Occam's Razor says of the two competing hypotheses, hypothesis 1 is probably correct. In fact God complicates everything as to where did God come from?
genius from UG, (and Stephen Hawking) also believes hypothesis 1 is probably correct.
Who are you to understand where God came from? None of us will know yet here we are.
 
#36
Who are you to understand where God came from? None of us will know yet here we are.
You missed the point: there is no God needed to create the universe out of nothing
Re: relevant to the concept of God — if you want to know what will happen after you die consider this:

how did everything feel to you and what did you experience 10 years before you were born — well that's exactly how everything will feel to you and what you will experience 10 years after you die (and on to eternity).
 
#38
It's infinity in both directions and will never converge unless the universe is curved, which I don't believe it is.

That is the point. There can't be two infinities.
 

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#39
You missed the point: there is no God needed to create the universe out of nothing
Re: relevant to the concept of God — if you want to know what will happen after you die consider this:

how did everything feel to you and what did you experience 10 years before you were born — well that's exactly how everything will feel to you and what you will experience 10 years after you die (and on to eternity).

I can see you are not catholic lol .
 
#40
Time is a man made prism. There is no beginning or end.
Got your back on that one, my dear brother from another mother.

Take away the artificial man-created concept of time, and the mind vanishes, along with any concept of self.

If there is no self as a separate entity to perceive, what remains?
 
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