So as a counterpoint, I think that legalization actually cuts against getting hooked on other stuff. Buying black market weed, you never know if it's been laced with something else designed to try to get you hooked. And you have to go to a black market dealer who probably sells other stuff and is going to encourage you to try it. At least if you buy from a legit shop which sells stuff that has some regulatory oversight, you know you're not getting something you didn't ask for, and are less likely to slip into the underground world of illegal drugs.
Legalizing Marijuana in NYS
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Here in Manhattan it's totally out of hand. There are 3 shops within 1 block radius of my office. The smell is everywhere. Even a player at the US Open complained you could smell it on the courts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...juana-smell-during-us-open-upset/70705579007/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...juana-smell-during-us-open-upset/70705579007/
I smoked up all throughout my youth. When I hit my late teens/early 20’s , I was pretty much done with it. At the time it was illegal . And if you wanted a decent job, you had to pass a drug test.
Fast forward to today. Because it’s legal, it’s being used as if it was tobacco. On the daily, a few times a day. These kids today are as dumb AF!! I have a 20 yo stepdaughter that has no brain cells left. She wakes and bakes in her car before she leaves for work . She forgets to wear fucking shoes to her job!!! She walked out wearing fuzzy fucking slippers. Who does that!!?! She loses her keys at least twice a week. Loses her wallet at least twice a month. And the only reason she doesn’t lose it more is because she always leaves it home. Backs into stationary objects. Gets at least one ticket a month rolling through red lights and passing buses with their flashers on.
The stoners of today have no ambition. All they want to do is get stoned and work their menial jobs to pay for their weed and munchies….
I do miss that Sugar Baby from Huntington that I was banging out to pay for her weed and drinking habits… what a piece of ass. But she was a prime example of a girl with minimal ambition and sucking my cock to support her habits…
Fast forward to today. Because it’s legal, it’s being used as if it was tobacco. On the daily, a few times a day. These kids today are as dumb AF!! I have a 20 yo stepdaughter that has no brain cells left. She wakes and bakes in her car before she leaves for work . She forgets to wear fucking shoes to her job!!! She walked out wearing fuzzy fucking slippers. Who does that!!?! She loses her keys at least twice a week. Loses her wallet at least twice a month. And the only reason she doesn’t lose it more is because she always leaves it home. Backs into stationary objects. Gets at least one ticket a month rolling through red lights and passing buses with their flashers on.
The stoners of today have no ambition. All they want to do is get stoned and work their menial jobs to pay for their weed and munchies….
I do miss that Sugar Baby from Huntington that I was banging out to pay for her weed and drinking habits… what a piece of ass. But she was a prime example of a girl with minimal ambition and sucking my cock to support her habits…
I will say, I wrote papers in college about weed being legalized in my lifetime and I was right. I was a huge stoner in college and even smoke a few times a year, although I now get mostly paranoid and anxious if I take more than 2-3 hits. While I don't think anyone should ever spend a day in jail for weed, the constant smell of weed on the street is getting annoying. There needs to be at least tickets for smoking in public. It's getting out of control
Ah, what a difference a few years of maturity does for one's beliefs, values, and habits.
Also as far as being a stoner in college, your body changes as you get older and a feeling I used to enjoy, I don't anymore. I still don't think it should be illegal. In fact I don't think any drug should be illegal... they should be decriminalized. Users shouldn't have to go to jail rather should be treated if they're addicted. I think we learned that we spent billions on the war on drugs and haven't accomplished shit
@JHS81
Agreed in that no drug should be illegal. It just doesn't work and simply leads to more crime as illegal elements get involved meeting the demands for drugs that are illegal.
Whether its tobacco, alcohol, pot or opiates or even drugs such as viagra and steroids — you want it as an adult, it's your body so knock yourself out. Just do it so it doesn't put anyone else at risk, e.g., driving a motor vehicle, don't expect me to pay to pick up the pieces.
I felt this way in college, and as a young, middle age and now older adult.
Agreed in that no drug should be illegal. It just doesn't work and simply leads to more crime as illegal elements get involved meeting the demands for drugs that are illegal.
Whether its tobacco, alcohol, pot or opiates or even drugs such as viagra and steroids — you want it as an adult, it's your body so knock yourself out. Just do it so it doesn't put anyone else at risk, e.g., driving a motor vehicle, don't expect me to pay to pick up the pieces.
I felt this way in college, and as a young, middle age and now older adult.
An article in todays WSJ on the State of Oregons legalization of drugs has NOT worked..
Overdoses up
Quality of life offenses up
Treatment options/beds for those seeking help down
The number of drug users and abusers has gone up tremendously over the past decades..instead of a push to decriminalize and legalize weed ( which again, I do think is a segue to the use of hard substances in many cases) one needs to understand and address the reasons and causes of this in the first place
Overdoses up
Quality of life offenses up
Treatment options/beds for those seeking help down
The number of drug users and abusers has gone up tremendously over the past decades..instead of a push to decriminalize and legalize weed ( which again, I do think is a segue to the use of hard substances in many cases) one needs to understand and address the reasons and causes of this in the first place
IMHO the mistake Oregon made was not to decriminalize and legalize weed — but not to enforce the the existing laws on quality of life offences. There is simply no logical reason to allow people to camp out on public property that has other legitimate public uses, e.g. sidewalks are mean for walking on. You, as an adult, want to spend your days high in your home or some public camping area — knock yourself out. Not my problem.
Also (again IMHO) the overdose issue is directly tied to the uncontrolled mixing of different drugs e.g., Fentanyl mixed with pot or cocaine and also the complete lack of quality control on street drugs. As a related example, an alcoholic would not unknowingly drink the same amounts of Everclear 190 (190 proof) as he would liquors like Malibu and Fireball (40 proof) as a quart of one would kill him as opposed to just getting him drunk. He would have confidence the the label on the respective bottle reflects what's in the bottle.
Also (again IMHO) the overdose issue is directly tied to the uncontrolled mixing of different drugs e.g., Fentanyl mixed with pot or cocaine and also the complete lack of quality control on street drugs. As a related example, an alcoholic would not unknowingly drink the same amounts of Everclear 190 (190 proof) as he would liquors like Malibu and Fireball (40 proof) as a quart of one would kill him as opposed to just getting him drunk. He would have confidence the the label on the respective bottle reflects what's in the bottle.
Why would you ticket people for a smell. Cigarette smoke is horrible and it's been everywhere for 60 plus years (smoked for 20 years and only the last 10 or so i have quit). Weed is characterized on the same scale as cigarettes now, so it's allowed in public where cigarettes are allowed. I understand that it's not for everyone, but it's a smell. Fried food smells disgusting but it's everywhere also. But ticketing people for a smell is a little absurd in my eyes. Hell, I've farted and cleared a room on a daily basis lol. Should we get a ticket for flatulence?
You have to keep in mind that the smell everyone complains about isn't always from just smoking. Most of the time it's coming from people's stash they carry on them. It's a potent smelling plant that people are growing out in the open now. Even inside a vacuum sealed bag my closet at home stinks! So I can only imagine what I smell like when I walk around with my bowl in my dime bag case. I've definitely caught a whiff of myself when I wasn't even smoking. Cops don't seem to care since weed isn't a violent drug. People aren't getting into fights stoned, damaging people's property etc. worst case they do is buy a lot of junk food and giggle. I do agree there needs to be rules set in place. But smoking in public I see nothing wrong with. It's no more offensive than a cigar ♂️
You have to keep in mind that the smell everyone complains about isn't always from just smoking. Most of the time it's coming from people's stash they carry on them. It's a potent smelling plant that people are growing out in the open now. Even inside a vacuum sealed bag my closet at home stinks! So I can only imagine what I smell like when I walk around with my bowl in my dime bag case. I've definitely caught a whiff of myself when I wasn't even smoking. Cops don't seem to care since weed isn't a violent drug. People aren't getting into fights stoned, damaging people's property etc. worst case they do is buy a lot of junk food and giggle. I do agree there needs to be rules set in place. But smoking in public I see nothing wrong with. It's no more offensive than a cigar ♂️
Here is the issue with that—
An addict in many cases ( I refer to hard drugs) loses their ability to make rational decisions, unable to understand or care about society norms and will resort to theft, deceit etc to fuel their needs .
For those with co existing mental health disorders ( most drug abusers have them ) the dangers of using ( drugs laced with fentanyl, which in most cases will result in death) is not relevant- Getting that fix is-
An addict in many cases ( I refer to hard drugs) loses their ability to make rational decisions, unable to understand or care about society norms and will resort to theft, deceit etc to fuel their needs .
For those with co existing mental health disorders ( most drug abusers have them ) the dangers of using ( drugs laced with fentanyl, which in most cases will result in death) is not relevant- Getting that fix is-
Nope. Unless before they got addicted someone put a gun to their head, tied them up and injected the drugs to get them addicted — I have no sympathy.
Just like I have zero sympathy for someone who drives sober to a bar, gets drunk and then kills someone while driving home.
Choices have consequences.
Just like I have zero sympathy for someone who drives sober to a bar, gets drunk and then kills someone while driving home.
Choices have consequences.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion , but with respect to having zero sympathy for the addict who injects, if you have not lived through it, ( as I have) I do not think you are basing your conclusion on having all the facts and having a true understanding of the mindset of an addict- I say this respectfully
As for the drunk who gets into a car —and does cause harm — yep- they deserve every form of punishment thrown at them
