this is pure speculation on my part and I really hope I'm wrong because everyone here including myself is at risk. Both Monty and SirF have tenure on this board so I'll assume they have been partaking in nbv providers (nbv - natural born vagina) services for sometime now. Could it be possible that they reached their sensual limit on this type of activity and to find new excitement thay are making that (in my best bugs bunny impersonation) proverbial 'left toin in albeecoykee' ?. I remember reading an artcle in Rolling Stone about a famous rock musician admitting to letting other men play a tune on his skin flute because he had so many women doing it that he started to lose interest! He too rationalized like SirF men could do it better because of the have one so they must know how to find the sweet spots. I first thought that both SirF and Monty were just gay (and there's nothing wrong with that) and used the men can do it better excuse to explore their homosexuality. I used to agree with Dice Clay about there is no such thing as a bi-sexual, to paraphrase the diceman 'either you suck c*ck or you do not c*ck!' Anyway, can it be possible that all of us have a sensual limit that once reached we will open ourselves to other sexual proclivities to maintain the high? I would appreciate the thoughts on the senior hobbists, hopefuly they are not too busy sucking chum out of meat hoses.