Concrete suggestions

[betty_snj]

ok....on the demeaning issue

Every girl who posted here, past and until recent days has been attacked one way or the other...and the attacks usually come from:

* well known posters who never saw, met or even has any intentions to do business with this particular provider...

* well known posters using aliases to also post negative comments about someone they never saw, met or had any intentions in seeing the girl...reason he/she is doing the attack...

I think if a guy has intentions in seeing a girl who starts to post in here he will not welcome her with nasty comments or he will blow his chances of her seeing him.

On the multiple personalities thing...why hasn't Vermeer being banned from here? Or whitelightning? because they are one of the known posters, who has been here for a while and contribuite in a civilized way under their known poster names.

You want to bash and show the flaws of the girls...what about doing it when you do actually meet with them IN PERSON and have a session to evaluate her services? That's when you should be honest about your experience without being mean and disrespectul.

We are whores, we sell our bodies for living...but we are HUMAN beings with feelings and we get hurt like any other women. One thing is to say "she is on the heavier side" other is to say "she is huge, she belongs in a farm pasture".
One is an acceptable way to warn other guys that she packs extra pounds, the other is plain rude and offensive.

You guys have to remember that this is not high school anymore...this is a place Slinky wants to prosper and the bullies are the ones dragging it down.

The UG drive is an perfect example...who did send money to Slinky? The guys who has respect for the girls...and for Slinky. They know they are GUESTS in Slinkys house.

Who else is raising funds? The girls who advertises in here...or the ones who did benefit from UG in the past (like Lacy).

I think this fund raising has given Slinky a good insight of which direction he needs to go IF he wants to keep UG going strong.

He needs the girls for the income to maintain UG...the guys who did donate will stay here and contribuite to the board...the big mouths that didn't send a cent and are still running their mouths and are complaining should not be taken in consideration when Slinky decide what to do. If they go away, others will come and turn into regular posters...I don't think it will be a big loss.

Now, I have lots of positive ideas for Slinky...but I have to go again...clients...someone has to make the money to spend on ads ~~~~

 

[Kimmie]

We are whores, we sell our bodies for living...but we are HUMAN beings with feelings and we get hurt like any other women. One thing is to say "she is on the heavier side" other is to say "she is huge, she belongs in a farm pasture".
One is an acceptable way to warn other guys that she packs extra pounds, the other is plain rude and offensive.

You guys have to remember that this is not high school anymore...this is a place Slinky wants to prosper and the bullies are the ones dragging it down.

You tell em sista! Ahem.

 

[Ozzy]

Not every girl who has posted here has been attacked.... Not even a majority of female posters here have been attacked any more so or less deserving than men.

Betty... You've been attacked more by your sisters here than the men.


As far as I know Vermeer does not have another (more civilized) persona.


If you open yourself to attacks...... That is what you will get.


PS... A lot of these "bullies" are the very guys who helped build this place and keep it honest and bullshit free.

 

[MikitheMilf]

What you dont know about Vermeer is

Not every girl who has posted here has been attacked.... Not even a majority of female posters here have been attacked any more so or less deserving than men.

Betty... You've been attacked more by your sisters here than the men.


As far as I know Vermeer does not have another (more civilized) persona.


If you open yourself to attacks...... That is what you will get.


PS... A lot of these "bullies" are the very guys who helped build this place and keep it honest and bullshit free.

That he loves the pooty

 

[betty_snj]

Ozzy

I'm not talking about you...but others.

Vermeer is just an example...once he started to spew his vile to the girls, others started too, following his lead.

The place is what we make out if it...everyone is part of it, like I said UG cannot survive only with the guys or the girls...UG needs both.

I've been vilified in the past yes, from women more than men...but that's because I am Betty and I can say the things I say because I can back them up.

When attacks come from women, or their male friends, is because of professional jealousy...nothing else.

Well, you wanted the board to be....a paid one, that is one of the solutions you proposed.

Once this board goes on the "paid" mode, it is not going to last...is going to have a slow death, just like JAG.

You have your own private board don't you? do you charge your members? how sucessful it is?

As an example, there is a new review by BMM...and the girl was mentioned in the past...guess what? I was reading the old locked thread about her.

It is dated july 2005 and almost a year later UG still sounds the same, minus some bashers:
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22772&highlight=mona+lisa

That's what we need to change to make this place profitable for Slinky to keep up, because if he is going to wait for 80% of the posters to pitch in and help out, well...he's out of luck.

Maybe you have a bunch of guys who "founded" the place...are these guys contribuiting to the cause? I hope they are, because if they are not something wrong about their philo******s.

Nothing is for free...you know, everything has a price tag attached to it.

 

[Ozzy]

I never said UG should go pay site.... I am vehemently against that. I said there should be a private forum or review section that would be paid membership only. That in itself would solve ALL of UG's monetary issues. But of course as soon as any suggestion that excludes you, the supply side.... you all go ape shit. Or maybe you the supply side feel that if UG could be self profitable without the advertising revenue... you might all feel expendable and lose whatever entitlement you feel you have.



Can UG survive without a single advertiser or female poster.... depends. Would it be profitable... NO. Would Bender be willing to foot the bills for long without income.... NO. But if bandwidth and staff were free UG would certainly thrive on just a male population.

But....

If UG ever did go pay only...... It could survive in a more limited fashion with the guys only. Jag was men only, and when it went pay and it survived for a bit until the loons took over the asylum. Jag also didn't have a 40,000 membership, instead had about a tenth this membership (if that). Assuming UG gets the same percentage of members to cross over and pay..... It would be a profitable place and prob be much like JAG was in its early pay days. Wold it be profitable or as profitable.... probably not.


As far as that BMM review... You are dead wrong. If someone has information to post he should be free to post it. I this case that info was wrong and *I* corrected that. But that doesn't mean that someone doesn't have the right to post it or ask the question. Information is not all about the service and the price. we the paying consumer are entitled to know whatever we can, whatever someone wants to tell us about said provider.... no matter how gross, how disgusting or how offensive you find it.

 

[betty_snj]

I guess UG already has a paid forum just for guys... but they have to "earn" contribuiting with reviews here first...is it profitable?

You have your own all guys private board...do you charge for membership? is it profitable?

Just curious...

 

[Slinky Bender]

Agreement and disagreement:

I don't think UG should or could "protect" girls from the truth. So, if some guy comes on and posts some negeative comments about his contact/sessions with her, then I think it should stay (that's where I disagree with Betty). What I do think needs to be stopped is some girl comes on and makes an ad or a post, and some guy who has no intention of seeing her writes"Youre to fat to ask $400 and hour" or the like. There is absolutely nothing productive in that.

As an example, I totally agree with Ozzy here:

As far as that BMM review... . If someone has information to post he should be free to post it. In this case that info was wrong and *I* corrected that. But that doesn't mean that someone doesn't have the right to post it or ask the question. Information is not all about the service and the price. we the paying consumer are entitled to know whatever we can, whatever someone wants to tell us about said provider.... .

 

[Ozzy]

I guess UG already has a paid forum just for guys... but they have to "earn" contribuiting with reviews here first...is it profitable?

UG has a private spa and strip club section. Neither are of major interest to me since I'm not in NY, so I choose not to participate. As far as I know you need not contribute and can be a lurker so long as you pay the fee..... but I ain't running it so I'm not the one to ask.

As far as it being profitable.... again, I'm not the one to ask. But it can't be hurting any.


However.... a private review section or private forum that targets a much larger audience..... will certainly be profitable. How much I couldn't tell you, but depending on how it's set up, the fee etc..... certainly as profitable if not more so as the advertising brings in here.

You have your own all guys private board...do you charge for membership? is it profitable?

Just curious...

No and No....

But I did that for "the love of the game" and so those who wished could talk [privately) like a bunch of high school boys in a locker-room if they so choose and without anyone to judge them.... I also have few enough members that bandwidth expense is not an issue, nor do I require a paid staff to babysit anyone.

And you wanna know what.... You can have way more ADULT conversations, less arguments and stay on topic when guys aren't pandering to a bunch of whore every three seconds.

 

[Slinky Bender]

On another board, a provider posted an ISO looking for me because she wanted to find this place...she could not remember the name but she said "the little board from the east coast where the guys are rough".
Few girls pitched in before I answered and I noticed couple previously banned by UG Staff or Slinky.
I remember how they got banned...one had a very nasty discussion here by some posters way before Vermeer started to spew venom.
The other got banned for posting an ad and had one of those nasty comments substituiting her original post.
The girl looking for UG openly said she got lots of business from here during her ad period, which was a month, but decided not to renew because she was called fat and other things and she was not going to support a board that was so demeaning to women.
I did my best to give a positive light about UG and the potential this place has and what I realized is that most girls who were starting in the business way back and now are established providers, once tried to get in here...but they were chased away either by posters or by those comments Slinky used to make because they posted in the wrong section, didn't read the rules, etc.
The same thing was done with first time posters or guys that we told about UG and came to this place to be part of our community...they got banned because they committed one error.
I think many of these people who got nastly burned by UG in the past will not return, even if this place changes 100% for better...we might get a few to reconsider coming back, like Lacy did, but...if any of you were trowed out of a restaurant during your first meal, just because you overlook how to use the right fork, are you going to return to eat there?
I think the best way is for Slinky, himself, contact each one of the girls he banned in the past and make an offer...tell how he wants to change the way UG is perceived and offer to back them up during the trial period. Pitch the "war free zone" so they can post their schedules and have the chance to get their names out for not only the posters, but the lurkers who are potential clients.
If they want just to post on the war free zone, fine...there they will have your protection...but if they wanto to post on the other UG areas, well then you have to be neutral to keep the UG flavor...but that doesn't mean guys can treat them badly a "la Vermeer" style.
People want to be treated with respect, no matter who they are or come from...and respect has to start from the leader...I think once Slinky start to respect and show his support to the returning members, the UG guys will do too, because they respect Slinky.
Also, Slinky could do some "spam"...direct mail to providers in general...other sites collects girls website addresses and send their offer for a free advertising. Most of these places send the mail AFTER they did post about you on their sites. I think Slinky could get new girls to come over, the ones who has no idea about how UG operated in the past.
Also, the same way UG wants advertisement, Slinky can place some banners about this site on other adult sites...being a pro or a john is not a tabu anymore, thanks to Dr Phil and Springer...so many guys would like to check this place out t find....pussy.
The thing is...to thrive UG needs more pussy and more johns....one cannot live without the other and UG cannot survive without BOTH of them.

Some very concrete ideas. Some of the issues are:
There's no "male/female" tag on people's accounts here, so we can't cull out the providers and send them e*mails. And a lot of them join under handles/e*mails which are specifically designed so that you can't tell that they are providers.

If anyone has any list of providers e*mail adresses, please forward it to me and i'll be glad to send invites.

As far as "...if any of you were trowed out of a restaurant during your first meal, just because you overlook how to use the right fork, are you going to return to eat there?" it's more like "do you want to have customers who come into your restaurant and don't lknow the difference between the bathroom and the dining room so they piss on your floor?" but FYI most people who had gotten banned at one time or another from UG have been reptored during various "amnesty drives" (which, of course, make it harder to invite them back because they aren't listed as banned anymore.......

But also another piece of info: Not one guy in the entire history of UG who came on and made one post which broke the rules didn't get re-instated simply by writing one e*mail saying "sorry I broke the rule, I didn't know, it won't happen again". It has happneed with some of the women, epsecially one's who had never poste ANYTHING on the board PERIOD, but came by with "drive by ads", most of teh time posting 5 or 6 ads in multiple sections. In the case of most of the guys and the girl swho got banned, rather than an e(amil sayting "sorry I broke the rules", we've gotten "Go fuck yourself, you board sucks". Sorry, but one flaw I don't think I'll be able to tear myself away from is appoligizing to people fo rmy toe being under their boot heel. i guess it just still pisses me off when EVERYONE knows what the rules are here and goes ahead and pulls this shit anyway:

For example: the women who request UG info from you on another board. I'm sure everyone told her it was a rough place and to make sure and read the rules. And you HAVE to read the rules to sign up. How about if she comes on and spams? What should I do?

But despite the above, I am willing to make nice with all past members, spammers, etc. E*mails actually have been going out to some.... watch this magic trick:

BDJ
BelleDeJour
JB's
independentgirls
ambiance
Whilom
indygirls
alwaysgfe
taylors elites
snowhyte
Jerseyescorts

 

[Ozzy]

Brenda Love
Irish Hottie

 

[Ozzy]

Wow.... the boss must mean business.

 

[Slinky Bender]

He needs the girls for the income to maintain UG...the guys who did donate will stay here and contribuite to the board...the big mouths that didn't send a cent and are still running their mouths and are complaining should not be taken in consideration when Slinky decide what to do. If they go away, others will come and turn into regular posters...I don't think it will be a big loss.

Now, I have lots of positive ideas for Slinky...but I have to go again...clients...someone has to make the money to spend on ads ~~~~

BTW If anyone has e*mail lists of providers which they would be willing to share for this project, please let me know.

 

[misterxyz]

Slanderous Posts

What I do think needs to be stopped is some girl comes on and makes an ad or a post, and some guy who has no intention of seeing her writes"Youre to fat to ask $400 and hour" or the like. There is absolutely nothing productive in that.

Nice statement. Does that mean you will put a stop to the slanderous posts of Vermeer and the like? How? By deleting them or banning them?

 

[RoosterC74]

Slinky-

Exactly correct, and what I have been driving at all along. I certainly do not want to see the poor quality ladies exposed, it is just when some lame-brain with an agenda rips into a girl that we all know provides high quality experiences, then that must stop!

I for one, would not stop Vermeer, because we all have a pretty good idea what that is all about. It is so obvious, that it is funny.

 

[justlooking]

What I do think needs to be stopped is some girl comes on and makes an ad or a post, and some guy who has no intention of seeing her writes"Youre to fat to ask $400 and hour" or the like. There is absolutely nothing productive in that.

As you know (since I independently proposed it), I agree with you completely about that.

 

[justlooking]

I certainly do not want to see the poor quality ladies exposed, it is just when some lame-brain with an agenda rips into a girl that we all know provides high quality experiences, then that must stop!

How can you tell when this happens?

What if someone just has a different idea of "high quality" than you do?

(Like on JAG, when the board was rigged in favor of Julies. A lot of guys genuinely liked Julies; a few guys -- including me -- kept going on the basis of JAG reviews and having disappointing experiences. When we posted about it, we were always accused [both by the concealed Julie's shills and some of the genuine Julie's fans] of being "lame-brains with an agenda". But we were just honest guys with a dissenting opinion. I HOPE you're not proposing that this board enforce some kind of groupthink.)

 

[SkellyChamp]

Agreement and disagreement:

What I do think needs to be stopped is some girl comes on and makes an ad or a post, and some guy who has no intention of seeing her writes"Youre to fat to ask $400 and hour" or the like. There is absolutely nothing productive in that.

DITTO

 

[SkellyChamp]

Slinky-

I for one, would not stop Vermeer, because we all have a pretty good idea what that is all about. It is so obvious, that it is funny.

DITTO

 

[SkellyChamp]

How can you tell when this happens?

What if someone just has a different idea of "high quality" than you do?

(Like on JAG, when the board was rigged in favor of Julies. A lot of guys genuinely liked Julies; a few guys -- including me -- kept going on the basis of JAG reviews and having disappointing experiences. When we posted about it, we were always accused [both by the concealed Julie's shills and some of the genuine Julie's fans] of being "lame-brains with an agenda". But we were just honest guys with a dissenting opinion. I HOPE you're not proposing that this board enforce some kind of groupthink.)

DITTO