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Taken from SI.com
The preponderance of evidence is by far the most detailed and damning condemnation that Bonds, formerly a sleek five-tool player, built himself into a hulking, record-setting home run hitter at an advanced baseball age with a cornucopia of elaborate, illegally-administered chemicals. Through 1998, for instance, when he turned 34, Bonds averaged one home run every 16.1 at bats. Since then -- what the authors identify as the start of his doping regimen -- Bonds has hit home runs nearly twice as frequently (one every 8.5 at bats).

The authors describe how Bonds turned to steroids after the 1998 season because he was jealous of McGwire. Bonds hit 37 home runs in '98 -- a nice total and the fourth most of his career at that point -- but he was ignored by fans and the media who were captivated by McGwire's 70 home runs and his duel for the record with Sammy Sosa, who hit 66 that year.

According to the book, Bonds, in comments to his mistress, Kimberly Bell, often dismissed McGwire with racially-charged remarks such as, "They're just letting him do it because he's a white boy." But Bonds looked at McGwire and his hulking physique and decided he needed to dramatically increase his muscle mass to compete with him.

It was immediately after that 1998 season, the book said, that Bonds hooked up with Anderson, a gym rat known to obtain steroids and growth hormone from AIDS patients in San Francisco who were legally prescribed the drugs but sold them to make money. The authors write that the San Francisco Giants, Bonds' employer, would later discover through a background check that Anderson was connected to a gym that was known as a place to score steroids and that he was rumored to be a dealer. Yet the Giants -- who didn't want to upset their superstar -- continued to allow Anderson free reign about their ballpark and inside their clubhouse.

The authors write that Anderson started Bonds on Winstrol, also known as stanozolol, the longtime favorite steroid of bodybuilders, disgraced sprinter Ben Johnson and baseball player Rafael Palmeiro. In 100 days, Bonds packed on 15 pounds of muscle, and at age 35 hit home runs at the best rate of his career, once every 10.4 at bats. But he also grew too big, too fast. He tore his triceps tendon, telling Bell that the steroids "makes me grow faster, but if you're not careful, you can blow it out."
 
Selig better have the balls to ban him from baseball and take away every home run he hit after 1998 and also take away his MVPs. The man is a disgrace and embarrassment to the game.
 
You are missing the bigger picture.

This was all done with management's tacit consent. Home runs put asses in seats and fans in front of TV screens.

Owners and management who knew and looked the other way, or worse, applied pressure to perform at higher levels knowing what players would do in response, are every bit as much to blame as Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro , et al.

You want to ban someone, ban everyone involved from the top down. Not simply some guy at the bottom of the food chain.
 
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Thorn said:
You are missing the bigger picture.

This was all done with management's tacit consent. Home runs put asses in seats and fans in front of TV screens.

Owners and management who knew and looked the other way, or worse, applied pressure to perform at higher levels knowing what players would do in response, are every bit as much to blame as Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro , et al.

You want to ban someone, ban everyone involved from the top down. Not simply some guy at the bottom of the food chain.


Thats a lofty goal to have owners banning owners or CEO's in their organazation who knew and supported players juicing. Let's first start with the players and work our way up with food chain.
 
Thorn said:
You want to ban someone, ban everyone involved from the top down. Not simply some guy at the bottom of the food chain.

I completely agree with that, although I don't know what you can do with the various managers since they were as they say...only taking orders and most have moved on.

But baseball has a long history of being corrupt. From the day they made Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis the first commish, till the league was granted the anti trust exemption till now with Selig and the many scams he and his pals have run, including the fiasco in Montreal when they bribed cable companies to dump the Expos. Until Bud and his cohorts go, baseball will forever be the sham that it has become.
 
Daddycool said:
Thats a lofty goal to have owners banning owners or CEO's in their organazation who knew and supported players juicing. Let's first start with the players and work our way up with food chain.
If you only knew how many times I've heard this.
 
so then do we ban the fans who pretended not to notice how once slender, wirey (sp) athletes suddenly turned into mastodons who could hit balls 600ft while playing in what are basically softball stadiums?
 
scoochamenz1 said:
so then do we ban the fans who pretended not to notice how once slender, wirey (sp) athletes suddenly turned into mastodons who could hit balls 600ft while playing in what are basically softball stadiums?
Fans are the least of it, but they foot with their wallets. The nature and level of the game they get can be effected that way.

It wouldn't be too hard for baseball to share hockey's fate.

Only a few years ago and hockey was on the rise. New market interest and a big time TV contract. Look at it now.
 
Thorn said:
Fans are the least of it, but they foot with their wallets. The nature and level of the game they get can be effected that way.

It wouldn't be too hard for baseball to share hockey's fate.

Only a few years ago and hockey was on the rise. New market interest and a big time TV contract. Look at it now.

Thats because of the strike that happened and season they lost. Same happened with baseball when it had its strike season. Thats when the owners and everyone in the organizations looked the other way when all the juicing started. They needed a reason for the fans to watch baseball again. So the 500 foot home runs were born.
 
Daddycool said:
Thats because of the strike that happened and season they lost. Same happened with baseball when it had its strike season. Thats when the owners and everyone in the organizations looked the other way when all the juicing started. They needed a reason for the fans to watch baseball again. So the 500 foot home runs were born.

Juicing was going on a good deal before than. Still, you have a valid point.
 
SAN FRANCISCO(AP) Barry Bonds plans to sue the authors and publisher of a book that alleges the San Francisco Giants' slugger used steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, saying they used "illegally obtained" grand jury transcripts.


Notice how he is NOT suing for liable, slander or defamation of character?? Ban the fucking cheater already.
 
He can't sue for liable, slander or defamation of character cause he has admitted to using steroids (the mystery cream etc...)..... He just claimed he didn;t know what they were or that his trainer misinformed him.

And while "illegally obtained" grand jury transcripts are a reason to throw a criminal case out of court... I don't think he can hold the authors accountable for that.
 
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Ozzy said:
He can't sue for liable, slander or defamation of character cause he has admitted to using steroids (the mystery cream etc...)..... He just claimed he didn;t know what they were or that his trainer misinformed him.
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I think, I could be wrong, but he hasn't admitted to anything. He has denied doing steroids and the cream etc. That's the problem. He has never said he didn't know what they were but he has never used them at all.
 
Just found the article. You were right:

ESPN.com news services

Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

But this is why I thought he never admitted it:

Ron Kroichick, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, March 7, 2006


""I won't even look at it. For what? There's no need to," said Bonds, who has repeatedly denied using performance-enhancing drugs. "

also:The excerpt suggests Bonds was not truthful during his testimony before a federal grand jury in San Francisco on Dec. 4, 2003. Bonds testified that he used a clear substance and a cream supplied by BALCO, but he said he thought they were flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis, The Chronicle previously reported. Bonds also flatly stated he never injected himself with drugs, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by the newspaper.
 
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Without a hint of legal education even I knew this result......

Judge rejects Bonds' bid vs. writers, publisher

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A judge denied Barry Bonds' bid to block the authors and publishers from making money on a book claiming the San Francisco Giants slugger used steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, and said Bonds' suit against them has little chance of success.....



http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5439376
 
NEW YORK (AP) - Major League Baseball will investigate alleged steroid use by Barry Bonds and other players, and plans to hire former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell to lead the effort.

A baseball official told The Associated Press on Wednesday that final plans were to be announced at a news conference Thursday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because commissioner Bud Selig has not yet made his intentions public.

Selig's decision to launch the probe, first reported Wednesday by ESPN, comes in the wake of ``Game of Shadows,'' a book by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters detailing alleged extensive steroid use by Bonds and other baseball stars. The commissioner has said for several weeks that he was evaluating how to respond to the book.

Some in Congress have called for an independent investigation. Mitchell, a Maine Democrat and a director of the Boston Red Sox, has been a director of the Florida Marlins and served on an economic study committee that Selig appointed in 1999.

Mitchell's possible involvement was first mentioned Wednesday in The New York Times. The name of a lawyer who will run the mechanics of the probe also was to be announced.

No matter what the findings of an investigation, it would be difficult for baseball to penalize anyone for steroids used prior to Sept. 30, 2002, when a joint drug agreement between management and the players' association took effect. Baseball began drug testing in 2003 and started testing with penalties the following year.

``I will only comment on things about Barry's on-field performance or contractual status,'' said his agent, Jeff Borris.

It is unclear whether current or former players would cooperate with an investigation or could be forced to do so by baseball. Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association, declined comment.

Under pressure from Congress, baseball toughened penalties last year and again this season, when an initial positive test will result in a 50-game suspension. Twelve players, including Rafael Palmeiro, were suspended for 10 days each following positive tests last year.

``Game of Shadows'' details alleged used of performance-enhancing drugs by Bonds for at least five seasons beginning after the 1998 season.

Former commissioner Fay Vincent called this month for an investigation and suggested it be headed by Mitchell or John Dowd, who led baseball's 1989 probe into gambling by career hits leader Pete Rose, who agreed to a lifetime ban.

``I think the investigation is the right step,'' Vincent said. ``I don't think the issue is punishment, I think it's: 'Shouldn't the players be called to task for cheating, even if there is no punishment?' I think baseball has to recapture the moral high ground.''

An after-hours message left for Mitchell at his New York office was not immediately returned Wednesday. The New York Daily News first reported March 16 that Selig would launch an investigation, but Selig said no decision had been made at the time.
 
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