Anatomy of a Sting

#1
Spent an interesting lunch hour watching a sting operation.

Where: Straight Path, Wyandanch, opposite the school, next to the church.

decoy: about 5ft7. Ponytail, jeans, jacket, dark sun glasses, squeeky clean white sneakers, olive skin (maybe spanish or italian).
Not very attactive facial features.

Chase car: two guys, 1 white hair, overweight and younger guy.
Car was non-descript gray ford escort. They were parked down side street about 200 yards from the decoy. She walked back and forth always in clear sight of them even when talking to a mark.

The arrest: I drove up the side street and had to stop by her to make my turn onto straight path. I looked at her. She looked back at me, no smile, totally nondescript. I did not make any overt motions or speak to her. She did not walk toward my car even though I was there longer than neccessary to make the turn. I turned, went two blocks down and parked on opposite side of street. I guy in a car pulled by her and stopped, opened his window and turned his head facing her. She walked over to the passenger side, no smile. He said something to her, she walked to within a foot of the passenger side window and talked to him.

A few seconds later she turned on her heel and started walking away. I was obvious she got what she wanted and was talking into a wire for the chase guys. The chase guys waited for him to start moving and then they started. The arrest was made 2 blocks away right in front of me. They put the cuffs on him, drove his car to away to a side street and waited for a patrol car which showed up in about 1 minute. The guys went back to their spot for next customer.

Conclusions:
1. He is cooked - she in no way was dressed provocatively( unless you like the dyke look), no smile, no overt gestures, no voice contact first - just stand'in on the corner watch'n all the boys go by.
2. She did not fit in with the area.
3. She didnt get in the car.
4. two cops in patrol car, a decoy, two cops in inmarked car, maybe they could do 2 arrests per hour - (would get more if the used an attractive decoy) - your tax dollars at work for a misdemeanor.
 
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#2
Originally posted by genius
Where: Straight Path, Wyandanch, opposite the school, next to the church.
even i wouldn't try to pick up a hooker in front of a church or school.

does the "need a ride" line work? would they say the solicitation was implied??
 
#3
The government will twist and turn that into "listen to the wire closely, he asks her to ride him" This is what these dopes get paid $100K for? This is the only way they are useful, when its a whodoneit crime they can never figure it out...it takes 6 cops for one misdemeanor...............very good! truth of the matter is these guys and gals cant find their own ass in a dark closet.
 
#5
Re: sting

Originally posted by j1rose
so if there was a bag of cash on street - cops would also arrest you for stealing........
Wrong analogy. I would pick up the bag -but if I got arrested I could prove it was entrapment. But I would never get caught in a sting like this. I was driving by and saw what it was in a glance.

There was no enticement or encouragement by the decoy whatsoever. The guys are cooked - I cant see any defense to convince a jury otherwise. The prosecuter would say this could have been your sister or wife waiting for the bus to go to work and guys would stop by asking her if she would sell them sex. And he would be right.

I still think its not an efficent use of police resources (and my tax money). Nonetheless, there it was.
 
#6
He may not be "cooked"

it all depends what the audio version of the tape reveals. They have to hear exactly him offering to pay for a sex act. Several yrs ago, I stopped alongside of a decoy, not knowing at first, but then intuition chimed in, and I began just playing along,... " so lets go get a drink up the road and get to know each other", oh, I really don't drink she says. Ia sked where she goes on wknds, usuall small talk, and saw I was not getting anywhere, started to leave, here come the cars, they tried to get me to cop to a loitering misdemeanor, I said lets go to trial, so I can sue suffolk co. for all iIcould get, I have a good attorney who I play golf with. Anyway, it took about a month to be disposed of. If you know you did not break the law, do not let them bluff you into copping to something smaller.
 
#8
So easy,,,,,

My guess would be she asked him what he was looking for, you answer anything sexual.......you are busted.....that's all it takes. I have been arrested twice already I know first hand about the process.
 
#9
Re: So easy,,,,,

Originally posted by iusedtobeone1
My guess would be she asked him what he was looking for, you answer anything sexual.......you are busted.....that's all it takes. I have been arrested twice already I know first hand about the process.
"What are you looking for?" You never answer a question like that until:

She is in the car. I hooker will immediately ask to come in.
You leave the area.
She shows you part of her anatomy.

Otherwise - you answer - "I'm lost - do you know where Long Island Ave is?"
 
#10
Another thing about the string that adds insult to injury: when they took the criminal away in cuffs ( they didn't have their guns out - but they did have him in cuffs - hey you never know - someone who asks to buy a bj - a low life like that is someone you want under ball and chain ), they left his car parked on side street. When I drove by later that day the car was gone.

I assume the car was impounded. Or it could have been stolen - after all the 5 LE used on this sting werent out looking for car theives; obviously thats all under control (I've had two cars stollen in 6 years - but hey - I sleep well knowing I'm protected against some guy buying a bj).

Just be aware of the risks you take.
 
#12
Re: So easy,,,,,

Originally posted by iusedtobeone1
My guess would be she asked him what he was looking for, you answer anything sexual.......you are busted.....that's all it takes. I have been arrested twice already I know first hand about the process.
Twice? I give you lots of credit for still being part of the hobby. Even once would probably cause so much havoc in my life that I'd never come back!
 
#14
genius,

Thanks. What a waste of resources. But then they have undercover decoys in men's bathrooms. I wonder what captain you have to piss off to pull that detail.
 
#17
someone should write about a sting in an incall (hotel) setting. It's easy to see the bullshit when you read it on UG, but it's a lot different when you are in the situation with a hard-on between your legs.
 
#18
The biggest problem about the hardon between the legs is it makes you second guess yourself. I have to say the stupidest thing I ever did was walking to a room in a hotel going down the hall some guy walks past me and says hi as he walks past than im walking around a bit more as I always pass the room im going to and the guy comes back around.

I definitely should have bailed, but instead I gave it 10 minutes watched the guy leave and than went and had a great time, but everything about it said get out and I was dumb enough to keep going. I am pretty certain it was just the girl having someone check out whoever comes that is new or something like that, but damn I always look at that one and go wow I was dumb. Got lucky it wasnt a sting. Id love to hear a real story anyone has, not necessarily that they got caught but just that they thought was a sting.
 
#20
How is that different anywhere else? To me the advantage of a hotel is that you can look around the place and see, if LE is there. If you enter the room and you and she are alone, then the same rules apply as anywhere. Get some goodies first, avoid talking about sex, avoid talking about money etc. Not sure how hotels are worse than other places. Certainly, an incall place isn't any safer, neither is any Spa-type place.
 
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