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[Waterclone]

No one was attacking "everyone who brings it up" ... I never said "X is a bad guy because he does bbfs with escorts" ... or ... "Z should be put in jail because she offers bbfs."

Paraniod much? As I recall, it was not you to whom I was replying when this first started.

You, and Calandra, are the ones who attack anyone who disagrees with the practice of bbfs with providers, as a concept.

And Earthmover didn't attack anyone either ... he never attacked anyone's character ... he was just stating a general point ... but you jumped all over him, didn't you? ... and that's because you can't take it when people offer differing opinions ... you even said it by writing that "I think there should be a lack of critical comment" ... WHY? ... Why shouldn't anyone be allowed to critical of a practice in an open forum???

LOL. You have an interesting perspective. I don't believe I "jumped all over him". I was very polite in my initial post. I simply said that I didn't believe it was appropriate for people on this site to be critical of the sexual choices of others where personal risk is concerned. I am happy people have different opinions. Discourse is good. And there is a place for it. But earthmover's post was that he was surprised that people who practice BBFS weren't being criticized for it, and I don't think this is the appropriate forum for that, nor is anyone who fucks hookers really capable of engaging in such criticism without a certain amount of hypocrisy.

This thread was originally about truth in advertising. I didn't think (and still don't) that anyone's opinion of whether BBFS is good or bad is appropriate to that topic.

If you want to go join one of the many "BBFS right or wrong" threads. Spout your fake numbers there to your hearts content.

And the canard, that providers and customers are going to go "underground" simply because someone said that bbfs has a higher risk than bbbj, is completely rediculous!

Do you have any statistics to support that, or are you making stuff up?

It's not ridiculous. There are other boards where BBFS isn't even allowed to be discussed. Such posts are deleted. And the result is that BBFS is only talked about underground and the majority of people on that board don't know who does or doesn't do it. This is not an item that is provable or disprovable by a statistic. All it requires is basic logic. Or do you think that because that board disallows conversation that BBFS stops completely.

The point is valid. If you make people uncomfortable to talk about BBFS, then they will stop talking about it, but they won't stop doing it.

 

[billyS]

This thread was originally about truth in advertising. I didn't think (and still don't) that anyone's opinion of whether BBFS is good or bad is appropriate to that topic.

If you want to go join one of the many "BBFS right or wrong" threads.

Thank you Waterclone. This is my point exactly. The thread is about BBFS providers who work for Julie. What should have followed was a discussion of Claudia, Roxanna, and Raina. What do they look like? How tight are their pussies? Do they get wet naturally or do they use lube?
Do they charge extra?

That is what should have followed, not all this other bullshit.

 

[Waterclone]

It's my own fault. I forgot a key rule of life. "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig"

I'll stop trying to teach the pig.

 

[scoochamenz1]

but some pigs have nice voices. lol.

 

[ReelNYC]

Dude, you're right ... it is your fault that this thread isn't accomplishing what it's supposed to. Hey ... You feel the need to insult and bully people ... maybe you get off on it, but it's not too wise considering the venue.

 

[sexpert]

I love BBFS, I wish I had the balls to do it with WGs but I don't. But if I were to do BBFS with a WG, I think I would wait until she just finished her period and I was her first customer in a few days. My question is, does the WG douche after each session? and how much of the cream is left over? <shivers> at the thought. I mean, if it is my wife, creampie and DATY is NO PROBLEM. I just can't stand the thought, but I won't judge the dudes that do it because we all take risks daily.

 

[Waterclone]

I love BBFS, I wish I had the balls to do it with WGs but I don't. But if I were to do BBFS with a WG, I think I would wait until she just finished her period and I was her first customer in a few days. My question is, does the WG douche after each session? and how much of the cream is left over? <shivers> at the thought. I mean, if it is my wife, creampie and DATY is NO PROBLEM. I just can't stand the thought, but I won't judge the dudes that do it because we all take risks daily.

It's a safe bet that they do not douche after each session. At some places they don't even shower between sessions.

Besides, douching after each session wouldn't alleviate your risk at all. In fact, it would probably make all the activities higher risk. Douching over and over would cause irritation, and make the girl even more susceptible to disease.

You are just afraid of your junk touching another man's spunk.

 

[Waterclone]

Dude, you're right ... it is your fault that this thread isn't accomplishing what it's supposed to. Hey ... You feel the need to insult and bully people ... maybe you get off on it, but it's not too wise considering the venue.

Not to wise considering the venue? That doesn't even make sense. Is it supposed to be some sort of threat?

Yes, that's me. A bully. That's exactly the reputation I have developed on this board in the past 7 years. That has as much credibility as your statement that hookers fuck an average of 30 guys a week. Here's a newsflash. You saying something doesn't make it so.

At least I contribute to the conversations on all levels. I can't help but notice that all of your contributions to the site (all 9 posts) have been in BBFS threads. Why don't you try posting a review, or participating in a conversation. You might learn something.

 

[blongster]

Now you guys are just getting personal. I think everyone needs to chill out.

While I do NOT participate in any BBFS activities, the reality is that if a provider provides such a service, there are guys who will want it. Plain and simple.

As much as you want to yell and scream at each other, human nature will prevail.

And by the way, my only point about std/hiv is that people need to educate themselves and not listen to every web poster as if they were a reliable authority on the subject.

 

[nychelsea]

Another version of the "don't teach pigs how to sing line:"

"It sounds terrible and they don't like it!"

WC is correct: the gentleman was a bit defensive and what did he mean by "venue?"

Enjoy,

Chels (up too late again)

 

[mcalandra]

reelnyc

i am going to try to explain myself one more time...and i will use small words

First of all, i did NOT start a thread, the moderator moved my post from the cream team contest thread and began a new thread.
Secondly, i was being facetious when i called the BBFS attackers idiots....if you take a minute to reread my post, you will see that i DO NOT CONDONE BBFS, as a matter of fact, i am OPPOSED to it personally. That said, i appreciate that people make their own decisions and do NOT ever presume to impose my views on others. HOWEVER, when others do not see the bigger picture and their actions prevent me from gaining the information i want, i get a little angry. By turning this thread into another "moral battleground", the discussion about who actually does BBFS ends and the resulting posts are all that is left, leaving us very little information about who does BBFS. Think about this for a second....if you go to Jewels, and you get one of these 3 girls, you now have the ability to make a decision to avoid providers that take higher risk actions. If the anti-BBFS posts did not start, and this thread did not become a pissing match between those who attack the act of BBFS, and those who want info, then it is possible that this thread could have evolved into a discussion about OTHER PROVIDERS and HOBBYISTs who do.....my goal is to have a certain amount of fun, and to take a limited amount of risk in the process. i do not attack or try to stifle comments from those who have polarizing opinions, but i DO attack those who do not even allow for a flow of information because THEY chose to comment about the risks and their opinions about what could/should be done....
Third, you contradicted yourself in 2 posts. You reference in your first reply to me that "The irony is that the very posts that you've lashed out against seem to share your opinion, but you call people "idiots" and try to bully them into silence because they're spoiling your fun."....and then in the next post, you say "You, and Calandra, are the ones who attack anyone who disagrees with the practice of bbfs with providers, as a concept."......so it is obvious that either you are confused or did not read my entire post.

 

[earthmover]

Quick reply in my own defense

"But earthmover's post was that he was surprised that people who practice BBFS weren't being criticized for it, and I don't think this is the appropriate forum for that, nor is anyone who fucks hookers really capable of engaging in such criticism without a certain amount of hypocrisy."

Perhaps I should have been more precise when I used the word "critical" but I didn't meant to say that particular <b>people</b> should be criticized. I wasn't using the word in an antagonistic sense, but since it was taken that way, let me substitute "thoughtful." I stand by my point that such a high risk practice does merit a serious discussion.

There is no hypocrisy here. The same high risks exist in the real world, and is everyone having sex being a hypocrite when they want to talk about it there? What exactly is the hypocrisy you're talking about?

I wasn't calling for a boycott, a regulation, for any provider to lose her job, or even change her practices. What I called for was critical comment on a practice that is higher risk than BBBJ. I guess even that's too much.

I didn't know this board was all about discussing choices, but not consequences. I 'll try to remember to insert rainbows and sunshine in all my future posts.

 

[earthmover]

Couple of more points

When talking about the hobby, high risk activities are not just "personal" risks.

I think ladies who offer BBFS, should advertise it so we can all make informed decisions.

 

[mcalandra]

Earthmover!!!!

yes!!!! i agree with your last statement, i WANT to know who does what....end of story. My opinion on what they do should not be relevant as i can choose to partake or not and that is the only decision that matters to me. As we know there is quite a bit of subterfuge and some outright lying and dishonesty in this profession so it is not realistic to expect providers to advertise truthfully what they do/dont do.....however, when an opening presents itself to learn more about certain providers, it is BEST for all if the relevant information can be learned. others expressing personal opinions and citing statistical facts regarding safety tend to obsure the truly important information.

 

[dikipedia]

I'm newer to this board than most if not all who have posted in this thread, and have been guilty in the past of criticizing bbfs in other threads. After reading these exchanges, I've started to rethink whether it is fair of me to criticize or pass judgment on activities that others engage in. Still, there are a couple of points that I feel should be made (some of which already have, but could use more emphasis):

1. First and foremost, regardless of your opinion, do we really need to resort to insults? I understand that people may feel strongly about certain subjects, but an open exchange of information can benefit everyone. Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, doesn't make it any less valid. I can see why some might want to point out the questionable accuracy of certain made up statistics, but to argue over whose made up statistics are more valid? It just seems silly. Regardless of whether a provider sees 160 men, 1,600 men or 16,000 men, I think just about everyone here would agree that bbfs represents a risk. It only takes one. Besides, even statistics that are not made up are less reliable than most would like to believe, especially in an industry that operates outside the law.

2. Aside from the monetary incentive, I can think of two reasons why providers might offer bbfs. The one that frightens me most is that they are already hiv positive. You can't get hiv twice, and from their perspective, they might not care about the mongers that they infect. We all know the risk, if we want to engage in risky behavior, is it really the provider's fault?

3. Second, a provider might be under the opinion that if she only does it occasionally, the risk might not be that bad. While I don't doubt there are a decent number of mongers that prefer bbfs, I would think the majority feel safer with a cover and the ones that request bare back are few and far between. I'm not going to make up any statistics to prove this point as it is only my opinion, but regardless, I find this logic to be flawed. When a provider makes an exception every once in a while in cases where the monger is willing to pay a premium for bb, I'd think it’s a huge risk because there's a good chance that this type of monger engages in bbfs often, and may even know he is hiv positive but just not care about the provider or the other mongers that he may infect indirectly. If a provider gets infected this way, she may develop a loathing for mongers and no longer care who she infects. She would then fall into the above category.

4. Personally, I feel that it is only a matter of time before any provider (or monger) who engages in bbfs will eventually contract hiv. This is only my opinion, but it is enough to scare me into using a cover every single time. I would encourage others to do the same, but at the same time I recognize that we are all adults here and are capable of making our own decisions, right or wrong, risky or not. I have taken a number of risks myself, and often feel stupid and/or paranoid for doing so. I may not engage in bbfs with a provider, but I've done it with girls I've just met or barely know. My criteria for accepting bbbj from a provider is age and appearance. I'd like to think that a young girl is less likely to give me herpes than a 50 year old provider that may have been giving bbbj for the last 30 years. To me, the latter represents a higher risk, but of course, the 50 year old could have first started when she was 49, and the 28 year old could have been doing it since she was 15 for all I know. I find my own rationalizations for taking risks, but the truth of the matter is that I too behave stupidly. It is my own decision though, and while others would disagree, it won't stop me from doing what I am going to do. Hearing stories about others who have contracted diseases in the hobby might, however, which brings me back to my initial point – an open exchange of information can be useful when it doesn’t degrade into petty arguments about whose subjective opinion is more valid. I respect everyone’s opinion even if I don’t agree.

5. If we can't all agree on something, can't we at least agree to be civil in our disagreements?

 

[thezoos]

I don't see why everyone isnt happy here.

the cream team posted who might do cream pies. this means:

1) if people are out there that want it, they know where to find it

b) people who don't want it know who to not see.

that's everyone happy isnt it?

 

[mcalandra]

can someone tell me where the creampie thread went????

so the Creampie thread was here this afternoon....and now all record of its existence seem to have been erased. I even did a search of my posts and there is no record.....can someone explain what happened and why???????

 

[playdub232]

so the Creampie thread was here this afternoon....and now all record of its existence seem to have been erased. I even did a search of my posts and there is no record.....can someone explain what happened and why???????

In da trash where it belongs.


play

 

[Ruv Me Rong Time!!]

here is a link to where the thread was.

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37622

it is in fact.... gone.

 

[wolf5958]

Most likely the APM removed it. I never saw it so I can't say why it is gone, but rest assured that if the APM deleted it he had good reason to do so.....